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Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

Blackdog said:
You have got to be kidding. :roll:

My point is picking who you sleep with is not a race or remotely the same thing.
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So a person should just be expected to sleep with someone even if they aren't attracted to people of that sex. Okay, let's try that. So let's pretend that the situation is reversed and now you have to choose to sleep with guys even though you are attracted to girls. Easy stuff, eh? It is just a choice after all!
 
Kandahar said:
If you're in the military, you are trained to kill and face the possibility of being killed yourself. And you're worried about some guy staring at your junk in the shower? :2wave:

Sorry, that isn't a good enough reason to keep gays out of the military.
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Cracks me up, you have no idea do you? We are not trained to "kill" and we are not trained to face the possibility of being killed. We are trained to follow orders without question.

This has nothing to do with being distracted by an openly gay man in close proximity living conditions.

PS who said anything about keeping gay people out of the military? This is about "ask don't tell."
 
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dclxvinoise said:
So a person should just be expected to sleep with someone even if they aren't attracted to people of that sex.
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:roll:

dclxvinoise said:
Okay, let's try that. So let's pretend that the situation is reversed and now you have to choose to sleep with guys even though you are attracted to girls. Easy stuff, eh? It is just a choice after all!
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I am not even going to dignify this stupidity with a response.
 
Blackdog said:
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I am not even going to dignify this stupidity with a response.
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So, in other words, you can't think of anything to back up your position? Gotcha. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
you are broadening my limited experience and applying it to group of a million people....


See the error in that?
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Surely you don't think your experience was uncommon? Do you think that it's rare for people in the military to know that people with whom they serve are gay? Do you think that it's unusual for them to not care, just as you didn't care?
 
RightOfCenter said:
A casualty is generally considered any injury or condition that prevents one from doing military activities.
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So if someone gets cancer while they're serving in the Coast Guard, that counts as a casualty?
 
dclxvinoise said:
So, in other words, you can't think of anything to back up your position? Gotcha. :lol:
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No not at all.

The premise is stupid and unrealistic.

Race and who you sleep with are not connected in any way.

Of course I was in the military a long time, hell what do I know.
 
Kandahar said:
Surely you don't think your experience was uncommon? Do you think that it's rare for people in the military to know that people with whom they serve are gay? Do you think that it's unusual for them to not care, just as you didn't care?
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I think people are people. All different. While it would not nor did it affect my readiness, it may some others. Like I said. If you are going to do this, why during wartime.
 
Blackdog said:
Cracks me up, you have no idea do you? We are not trained to "kill" and we are not trained to face the possibility of being killed. We are trained to follow orders without question.

This has nothing to do with being distracted by an openly gay man in close proximity living conditions.
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OK, so if your commander-in-chief orders you to shower with an openly gay dude, you're trained to follow that order without question. And if you don't, you can and should be dishonorably discharged. Glad we agree.

Blackdog said:
PS who said anything about keeping gay people out of the military? This is about "ask don't tell."
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So you acknowledge that gays serve in the military. You just want the government to pretend that they don't. How absurd. :roll:
 
Blackdog said:
No not at all.

The premise is stupid and unrealistic.

Race and who you sleep with are not connected in any way.

Of course I was in the military a long time, hell what do I know.
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Race and who you are attracted to are similar because you have no control over it. It's stupid to expect people who are attracted to the same sex to just "deal with it" and choose to sleep with women even though there's no attraction there. That's stupid and unrealistic.
 
Blackdog said:
No not at all.

The premise is stupid and unrealistic.

Race and who you sleep with are not connected in any way.

Of course I was in the military a long time, hell what do I know.
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I know you've showered with gay men. :2razz:
 
dclxvinoise said:
Race and who you are attracted to are similar because you have no control over it.
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Nonsense. Point out a black man on the street. Now point out a gay man.


It's stupid to expect people who are attracted to the same sex to just "deal with it" and choose to sleep with women even though there's no attraction there. That's stupid and unrealistic.
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Wait, people are being forced to sleep with women? Why haven't I heard of this! :mrgreen:
 
Kandahar said:
So if someone gets cancer while they're serving in the Coast Guard, that counts as a casualty?
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No. It's more like if you break your arm during training or suffer from heat stroke during PT. That would be a casualty. Injuries related to military service I guess sums it up.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Nonsense. Point out a black man on the street. Now point out a gay man.
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I said that they are similar in that way. I didn't say that they were similar in every way.

Wait, people are being forced to sleep with women? Why haven't I heard of this! :mrgreen:
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Well, if they want sex then they are forced to choose to have sex with a woman, right?
 
Kandahar said:
OK, so if your commander-in-chief orders you to shower with an openly gay dude, you're trained to follow that order without question. And if you don't, you can and should be dishonorably discharged. Glad we agree.
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Absolutely. This will not hurt enlistments or effect moral. :roll:

Kandahar said:
So you acknowledge that gays serve in the military. You just want the government to pretend that they don't. How absurd. :roll:
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That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

You have never served and I don't think you understand the repercussions, and are basing your opinion on pure emotion.
 
Blackdog said:
You have never served and I don't think you understand the repercussions, and are basing your opinion on pure emotion.
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As if serving means you don't arrive at opinions on pure emotions.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Race and who you are attracted to are similar because you have no control over it.
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Yes you do have control over who you sleep with. If you did not I know plenty of ugly people who I would be sleeping with, but I don't because I do not find them attractive. I am free to make the choice.

I am a black man and I had no choice in the matter.

dclxvinoise said:
It's stupid to expect people who are attracted to the same sex to just "deal with it" and choose to sleep with women even though there's no attraction there. That's stupid and unrealistic.
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No one is asking anyone to sleep with someone they don't want to, period.

Please keep assuming.
 
Blackdog said:
Absolutely. This will not hurt enlistments or effect moral. :roll:
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Yep, the prospect of being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan is nothing compared to the horrors of another dude looking at your weiner.

Blackdog said:
That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

You have never served and I don't think you understand the repercussions, and are basing your opinion on pure emotion.
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Well then perhaps you could explain it to me. You acknowledge that gays already serve in the military. What is gained by pretending that they don't? Who is demoralized? How so? How will this effect their performance? Why is that the gays' problem rather than the homophobes' problem?
 
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independent_thinker2002 said:
As if serving means you don't arrive at opinions on pure emotions.
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Of course you do, but in this case you have no real experience. You can't know or understand some of the variables that come into play.

As I said this does not invalidate your opinion, but you have less information than someone who has served on this particular subject.
 
Blackdog said:
Yes you do have control over who you sleep with. If you did not I know plenty of ugly people who I would be sleeping with, but I don't because I do not find them attractive. I am free to make the choice.

I am a black man and I had no choice in the matter.
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A gay man has no choice in the matter either. The only choice he has is whether he wants to engage in relations with the same sex or live in denial because it bothers some people. I'm sorry, but that's stupid.

No one is asking anyone to sleep with someone they don't want to, period.

Please keep assuming.
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Well, if they want sex they'll have to won't they? Should they just not have sex at all? Would you be able to?
 
Kandahar said:
Yep, the prospect of being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan is nothing compared to the horrors of another dude looking at your weiner.
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It has hurt enlistments enough without adding more at this time.

Kandahar said:
Well then perhaps you could explain it to me. You acknowledge that gays already serve in the military. What is gained by pretending that they don't?
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Who is pretending that they don't? I never said or implied this. I don't want to know who is or is not, period. It would be an unwelcome distraction no matter how much you would like to candy coat it.

Kandahar said:
Who is demoralized? How so? How will this effect their performance? Why is that the gays' problem rather than the homophobes' problem?
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80% of this country is Christian, so odds are the military breakdown is about the same. So you are talking about a minority of military personal to begin with. We are so concerned about protecting the sensibility's of the minority. Who is protecting the sensibility's of the majority?

It would affect moral as many people in the military would be very uncomfortable to say the least. I can honestly say as much as I agree gay people should be allowed to serve, I probably would have balked at joining. I am certain a whole lot of troops would feel exactly the same way.
 
I am totally against this. As a veteran I believe this will cause problems. Soldiers live in close quarters. Men and women may live in the same barracks but they have seperate rooms, rest rooms, and showers. Bare in mind that the showers are not private and many men will be showering at the same time. Just as men and women shower seperatly will men and gays be showering seperatly. If I know a soldier is gay Im not getting naked in front of him. And what about rooms. Typically there will be anywhere from 2 to 4 men or more shareing a room. The same with women. I don't want a gay man as a roommate checking me out when Im dressing. Or when Im laying around in my underwhere watching TV or what ever. I do not think open gays can serve with straight soldiers unless accomidations are made such as seperate rooms and restrooms and showers for gays just like there are seperate facilities for men and women.
 
dclxvinoise said:
A gay man has no choice in the matter either. The only choice he has is whether he wants to engage in relations with the same sex or live in denial because it bothers some people. I'm sorry, but that's stupid.
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They know full well when they join the military about "don't ask don't tell" so who is the stupid one?

dclxvinoise said:
Well, if they want sex they'll have to won't they? Should they just not have sex at all? Would you be able to?
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The military frowns on relations between officers and enlisted as well. They do what most others do and go on leave.

It is not that hard.
 
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