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'Smoke-free Taiwan' takes effect today

Yay for more infringement on private property by a bunch of damned lazy jerks who couldn't do anything for themselves so they authorize the growth of government to take care of the problem for them! Woot! Go big government, go government tyranny! Property..bah, that's stupid. You can't own property anyway, government owns it all. Government is bad enough as it is, it's intrusive enough as it is, but people want to make it more so. It's baffling that people can't figure out that there are severe consequences and responsibilities of freedom.
 
Protecting people from poison is NOT fascism, it is called being responsible.

I don't get it. You say you are a conservative but don't believe in personal responsibility for your actions? You would rather have the government step in and tell us what we can or cannot do on private property?

Sounds more like liberal nonsense to me.
 
I see the wisdom of this law being passed in Taiwan. Recently I came down with a case of bronchitis, and wherever I went in downtown Nanjing, there was someone lighting up a cigarette... in the restaurant I went to, in the department store I visited, even in the washroom. It contributed to my illness, so I ended up just staying home when I wasn't at school. (Even in the hallways at school, people are allowed to smoke on their breaks.)

It really depends on the culture at large as to whether or not private businesses will turn a blind eye to smokers, or be more activist about it. In China, it feels like no one cares about indoor smoking. Everywhere you go is second hand smoke, and frankly I am tired of it.

I understand the principle of letting private businesses allow smoking, and therefore non-smokers should exercise the choice to not go there... but in a place like China, every single establishment is going to have someone lighting up. So if I want to avoid making my bronchitis worse, I just have to stay home, because as a non-smoker I have no choices left.

I think the individualistic approach works in the West because the culture at large is divided over the issue of smoking. You will always find establishments that forbid smoking, so non-smokers have choices. But in Asia where population density is higher, there is no escape from smokers, and smoking is very much related to status so everyone flaunts it, legislation is needed.
 
I see the wisdom of this law being passed in Taiwan. Recently I came down with a case of bronchitis, and wherever I went in downtown Nanjing, there was someone lighting up a cigarette... in the restaurant I went to, in the department store I visited, even in the washroom. It contributed to my illness, so I ended up just staying home when I wasn't at school. (Even in the hallways at school, people are allowed to smoke on their breaks.)

It really depends on the culture at large as to whether or not private businesses will turn a blind eye to smokers, or be more activist about it. In China, it feels like no one cares about indoor smoking. Everywhere you go is second hand smoke, and frankly I am tired of it.

I understand the principle of letting private businesses allow smoking, and therefore non-smokers should exercise the choice to not go there... but in a place like China, every single establishment is going to have someone lighting up. So if I want to avoid making my bronchitis worse, I just have to stay home, because as a non-smoker I have no choices left.

I think the individualistic approach works in the West because the culture at large is divided over the issue of smoking. You will always find establishments that forbid smoking, so non-smokers have choices. But in Asia where population density is higher, there is no escape from smokers, and smoking is very much related to status so everyone flaunts it, legislation is needed.

That makes perfect sense. I guess I am only thinking in terms of the US and the West, not the rest of the world.
 
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Time for non-smokers to take the offensive against smokers. Some local governments (including where I live) are providing incentives to provide evidence of non-compliance and offering a portion of the fine money to those who provide photographic evidence leading to the imposition and payment of fines.

My camera phone is ready.

Smoke free restaurants, night markets, parks, bus stops, etc. How nice. Poor smokers. Think I will weep for them? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Enjoy your brown shirt. Be sure to keep the collars starched so that your pin of government service is prominently displayed.
 
Fascism. Plain and simple. I don't smoke either, so do not attempt that angle.

More fascism than banning of online gambling in the US?

I think smoking should be banned alltogether, or regulated similar to other drugs, specifically alcohol and marijuana. They should all be sold in pharmacies under a special prescription drug law.
 
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I understand the principle of letting private businesses allow smoking, and therefore non-smokers should exercise the choice to not go there... but in a place like China, every single establishment is going to have someone lighting up. So if I want to avoid making my bronchitis worse, I just have to stay home, because as a non-smoker I have no choices left.

I think between all the smoking, sickness, the urban pollutions and the threats of war, what we all should do, is wear one of these..
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