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New report re-uses old data to target abstinence pledges {EDIT}

"I pledge allegiance to my hymen..."
 
sazerac said:
Why are we ignoring all the studies that say abstinence education does work? That abstinence pledges do work?

Why are we ignoring the success of abstinence education programs in Africa fighting the spread of AIDS?

The idea that teaching your children to abstain from sex till they are married would somehow make them more likely to have sex before marriage is loony. The teens not having premarital sex are the ones who were taught to wait till they are married. They are also the ones with no STDs.
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Penn and Teller BULLSHIT- Abstinence - AOL Video
 
sazerac said:
Why are we ignoring all the studies that say abstinence education does work? That abstinence pledges do work?
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Because those studies simply do not exist. Or if they do, they're dishonest, unscientific "studies" funded by groups like the Discovery Institute.

sazerac said:
Why are we ignoring the success of abstinence education programs in Africa fighting the spread of AIDS?
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Because there haven't been any such successes. Abstinence education programs *cause* AIDS to spread by misleading people about birth control.

sazerac said:
The idea that teaching your children to abstain from sex till they are married would somehow make them more likely to have sex before marriage is loony.
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It doesn't make them more likely to have sex before marriage. It makes them more likely to have unprotected sex before marriage.

sazerac said:
The teens not having premarital sex are the ones who were taught to wait till they are married. They are also the ones with no STDs.
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See above re: unprotected sex.
 
Re: Abstinence Pledges Ineffective....OH wait....

Kandahar said:
Really. Did YOU wait until marriage? No? Then don't be a hypocrite.
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That is the thing. The people who argue for abstinance education, and those who claim there is a sensible concept called abstinence until marriage, virtually all had sex before marriage. They are hypocrites.
 
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tryreading said:
Guess he thought a score = 10 years...
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Well, I'm not 37, and neither, I don't think, is Roe.
So I don't have a clue what he was referring to.
 
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1069 said:
Well, I'm not 37, and neither, I don't think, is Roe.
So I don't have a clue what he was referring to.
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I was thinking the date of Roe v Wade.
 
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Liberal Logic:

Abstinence: bad when it's sex, Good if it's a Senate Vote.
 
sazerac said:
Why are we ignoring all the studies that say abstinence education does work? That abstinence pledges do work?
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Because there are none that are valid.
 
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Phoenix said:
Liberal Logic:

Abstinence: bad when it's sex, Good if it's a Senate Vote.
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Conservative logic: believe something because it fits your agenda, even when it has been proven completely wrong.

Good now with the ridiculous partisan hackery out of the way, do you have anything further to say on your already debunked position?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Because there are none that are valid.
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Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new study by the United Nations makes it clear that the abstinence education message is making a clear impact in the African HIV/AIDS rates. The study shows people are engaging in casual sex less often, waiting longer to start having sex, and infection rates are dropping.

The report says that, in Zimbabwe, there has been a drop in the infection rate among pregnant women from 26% in 2002 to 18% in 2006 and that abstinence is playing a role in encouraging people to have less casual sex.

In nations like Burkina Faso, Ethiopia, and others, younger people are reportedly waiting longer to begin having sex. In Cameroon, the UN study says the percentage of children under 15 having sex has dropped from 35% to 14%.

Fewer people are dying -- a decline of 200,000 from 2006-2007 -- and new infections dropped by 300,000 last year.
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United Nations Study Shows Abstinence Education Lowering HIV/AIDS Rate
 
EgoffTib said:
We could make an even bigger impact by giving them condoms. So your suggestion is to keep doing what we are doing, rather than moving on to the better solution?

Also, this thread seems to be dealing with abstinence in America, not Africa. Africa and America are to very different places.
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Why not combine abstinence education with condoms being handed out?

I have no problem teaching abstinence, I have a problem with only teaching abstinence. I think the difference should be clear. Abstinence-only is different from incorporating and stressing the importance of abstinence.


But regardless, people are going to **** if they want to ****, no matter what you teach them. The only way to get it to stop is to make it feel horrible.

People don't willingly jump in a dentist's chair for a reason.
 
Tucker Case said:
Why not combine abstinence education with condoms being handed out?

I have no problem teaching abstinence, I have a problem with only teaching abstinence. I think the difference should be clear. Abstinence-only is different from incorporating and stressing the importance of abstinence.


But regardless, people are going to **** if they want to ****, no matter what you teach them. The only way to get it to stop is to make it feel horrible.

People don't willingly jump in a dentist's chair for a reason.
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I agree. In my Sex Ed classes in school, they always taught us that the best possible way to avoid an STD is to not have sex. At the same time, they understood that kids will be kids. Therefore, the "condom over a banana" demonstration took place.
 
EgoffTib said:
I agree. In my Sex Ed classes in school, they always taught us that the best possible way to avoid an STD is to not have sex. At the same time, they understood that kids will be kids. Therefore, the "condom over a banana" demonstration took place.
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Everytime I see that demonstration, I just can't help it, I laugh and laugh to tears. :mrgreen:
 
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