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Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

So I call you a partisan and you attack Joe the Plumber using partisan talking points? Thanks for proving my point.
Oh because I called him joe-the-not-so-much-a-plumber? That's not partisan that's truth.

Yeah, uh, my hourly job is at a news radio station, so yeah, I am in journalism, I majored in Broadcasting, it had heavy jounalistic elements, many of the people I work with do NOT have a journalism degree. So what was your criteria for judging journalism credentials again?
LOL, being a DJ or reading the news report on the radio is a far cry from journalism. :doh But if it makes you feel better...

I never said you were elite, I said you were practicing elitISM, that is a nice way of saying snobbery. Frankly I am sick of people thinking they are better than others because they went to college, or calling blue collar workers stupid because they don't have a four year degree, can you figure out the timing on a Ford Fairlane, or completely rebuild a pipe system for a house, etc. No? then you are no better than those who can, and again, Journalism can be learned in the field, it's not something that requires a degree from Cornell.
Yes, I could figure out the timing on a ford fairlane or completely rebuild a pipe system for a house, along with a lot of other things that I have no training in. You know why? Because I have the mental capacity and the ability to learn. I didn't know how to build a gardening shed but I got on the internet and read. Then I draw a schematic and went to Lowes. Then I had to figure out how to get electricity down to it so again, I learned that I needed to run 50amp aluminum cable from my main breaker to the breakout box and install a GFI... I never knew how to grow vegetables other than corn and soy (my family are corn and soy farmers in IL.) but I wanted to have fresh veggies so again... I learned.

Besides it's not snobbery, as I said before, you shouldn't praise stupidity or ignorance. Just because someone didn't go to college doesn't mean they aren't smart but proving and displaying that you are dumb pretty much seals the deal.

First of all, Joe the Plumber can't be all that stupid if he landed that correspondents job, and, his question was intelligent enough to make Obama stammer, so I don't see where you get off calling him dumb.
He's what they call a "useful idiot". The company that hired him only did so to take advantage of him. I'll wager that after a short stint as a "war correspondent" he'll wind up back on his couch in Ohio looking for another plumbing job. Or, maybe he'll make enough to buy that plumbing business and find out that he was all wrong about Obama's tax policies. :2razz:

So now you use the "different kinds of intelligence" argument since it helps you out. I already know there are different kinds of intelligence since I had to take multiple behavioral science classes in college, it is YOU claiming people are stupid because they don't have book knowledge. And many plumbers, carpenters, and oil men in my area have shown a better working knowledge of this country and business than the average four year MBA graduate.
I was merely pointing out the fallacy of your statement. The rest of your comment was addressed above.

[quote[Let's see, Joe asked Obama a question about taxes and got a template answer, who looked smarter?
No, let's see, joe made up a scenario and presented it as truth in order to erroneously attack the tax policy, that he didn't understand in the first place, of a political candidate he opposed. I wonder how our view of the same scenario could be so radically different? Maybe you're not being truthful with the facts surrounding the event... :roll:
 
It couldn't be that Joe the not so much a plumber, is a liar and that the "right" aggrandized and exalted this liar and his lie and then got caught being liars. So, like Palin, every time he pops up like a bad case of herpies we get to dump the medication on him. :2wave:
"Joe" was a plumber, he wasn't state licensed yet, that was something he needed to buy the plumbing business from the contractor he was working under, but glad you think putting "so called" on something makes your point, BTW alleged would have been a better term, at least earn your elitist mentality. "Joe" is short for Joseph, which is his middle name, get it? The "exhalted liar" wasn't "aggrandized" so much as we had a gotcha moment from the "so called" messiah's own damn mouth when he answered the very simple question of exessive taxation with a socialist statement, you know, that whole "share the wealth" one, not our fault he put his soon to be presidential foot in his mouth........again. Maybe you should read both sides of the story before you call Joe the plumber a liar.
 
Then say holier than though instead of elitist. I have heard many people on the right talk about those elitist college professors or those elitist businessmen... They called Obama an elitist because he's a ****ing brilliant guy. So don't give me your bull**** :spin:
What's Obama's I.Q.? What has he said that comes across as brilliant specifically? What brilliant legislation, business model, executive decision has he made? In essence what makes him so brilliant other than you say so. I want something concrete, otherwise you are simply towing the "Obama is brilliant" line, so far I personally have seen nothing to qualify him as brilliant. Oh, and FYI, elitist means having a sense of superiority over people, don't try to change the meaning of it.
 
Aside from the issue people have with Joe, does anyone else think its a good idea to get a better feel for the real people in the conflict?

I feel like the face of both peoples (Palestinians/Israelis) are dominated by politicians. Though I'm more than a little leery what Pajama TV will produce.
 
No, let's see, joe made up a scenario and presented it as truth in order to erroneously attack the tax policy, that he didn't understand in the first place, of a political candidate he opposed. I wonder how our view of the same scenario could be so radically different? Maybe you're not being truthful with the facts surrounding the event... :roll:
Care to read the entire story of Samuel Joseph Wurzlebacher? Or do you want me to completely humiliate you? BTW, plenty of Certified Public Accountants don't completely understand the tax policy because it is overly complicated, I doubt you YOURSELF understand the tax code well enough to judge anyone else's knowledge of it.
 
No it means that you at least qualify intellectually to start and then,
More of that intellectual elitism garbage, unless someone's life is on the line a degree is nothing more than a credential, you do know that plenty of people who score as borderline genius and genius don't do well on standardized tests right? The only thing college proves is that you test well and got the basic theoreticals of your field, plus the other curriculars that are required of the degree, it is no substitute for practical knowledge.
that you spent the time and money to improve your general knowledge base,
Not required in most fields, it simply shows discipline, many bosses out in the field don't have a degree, they worked their way up the ladder and applied field learning rather than theoretical.
your ability to think and learn and shows a focus on a career path in most cases. It is also a symbol of pride for many people. It certainly doesn't guarantee, integrity or intellectual curiosity, just look at GWBush as an example, but it does show you made an effort in most cases.
AAAANDDDD here we go, an attack on GWB. Get over yourself, he's gone in less than a week.

I hope I helped you understand what a degree means to most people...
All you did was try to justify your stance that a lack of a degree is enough to deny someone credibility, and you failed miserably.
 
Aside from the issue people have with Joe, does anyone else think its a good idea to get a better feel for the real people in the conflict?
I don't see a problem with that, if nothing else there may exist subtle clues as to a faster resolution of a problem, or what needs to be done to insure peace after the conflict.

I feel like the face of both peoples (Palestinians/Israelis) are dominated by politicians. Though I'm more than a little leery what Pajama TV will produce.
Politicians bring name and face recognition, so it is safer than showing the masses from a ratings perspective, I too would wonder what a company named Pajama TV would produce as well.
 
understandable, I would say our current popularity in op-ed stems from a general dumbing down of entertainment consumers to begin with, coupled with a loss of journalistic integrity overall, hell, I get more balanced information from the opinion guys these days, or at least it feels like it. The last straw, I think was the early to mid 1990's, Jenny Jones, Jerry Springer, Dr. Phil, Ricky Lake and even to a lesser degree Oprah lowered the bar for entertainment, and they were treated with way more credibility than they deserved, so I think they kind of opened the door for the infotainment industry, ala op-ed, to become the larger news providers.
I must disagree, no one takes those shows as serious journalism. It's the sheeple who, not liking the truth looked for an outlet that would cater to their political bent. In order to satisfy those people you have to spin the truth in their direction ala Faux News and MSNBC, Is that asshat on Headline News still on or did they can him once the election was over? Can't remember his name... for good reason.
It's entertainment shows masquerading as news (Rush) that brought us the endless days of pundits as journalists.
 
New Rule:

Reverend can't call Obama anything that ends in "ist".
 
It's entertainment shows masquerading as news (Rush) that brought us the endless days of pundits as journalists.
Speaking of asshats...
When did anyone ever claim that Limbaugh's program was a "news" program?
Strawman, anyone?
 
Heaven forbid anyone who dares ask the Messiah a question not sanctioned by the priests of liberalism. :2wave:
Well, if you're going to ask the messiah a question you better make sure it's not an ignorant lie. I think that's the moral to the story that you are hunting for.
 
I must disagree, no one takes those shows as serious journalism. It's the sheeple who, not liking the truth looked for an outlet that would cater to their political bent. In order to satisfy those people you have to spin the truth in their direction ala Faux News and MSNBC, Is that asshat on Headline News still on or did they can him once the election was over? Can't remember his name... for good reason.
It's entertainment shows masquerading as news (Rush) that brought us the endless days of pundits as journalists.
Once the bar is lowered it's hard to bring quality back, and doesn't matter what area of the air waves did it. Fox news actually has scored as the most centrist among media related studies, don't know about the headline news guy, could care less as most journalists have no integrity anymore. Finally, Op-ed is far older than Rush and company, it is simply larger now because of the nature of radio and television because more people can be reached in a greater span of time, also, charisma comes across when people can see and hear the commentators, rather than radio, J.F.K. and F.D.R. were masters of using television and radio time effectively and knew the inherent power of the budding new media options.
 
Was it untrue? Nope... but you only care about truth when it doesn't interfere with your partisanship right?
So you are saying that people who won't give up their religious rights and right to own firearms are all bitter? Obama basically was, that is an opinion which means it can't inherently be true or false.
 
Was it untrue? Nope... but you only care about truth when it doesn't interfere with your partisanship right?



It is about as true as calling all black people lazy.


See, I am above stereotyping, even when its white people, Sorry you are not. :2wave:
 
Well, if you're going to ask the messiah a question you better make sure it's not an ignorant lie. I think that's the moral to the story that you are hunting for.
What lie? pretty much everything Joe said was true. He said he was trying to buy the business, that was true, he said he was a plumber, he wasn't licensed but he was doing work for the company owner, so he was a plumber, he said he doesn't agree with the tax code, that is true.
 
"Joe" was a plumber, he wasn't state licensed yet, that was something he needed to buy the plumbing business from the contractor he was working under, but glad you think putting "so called" on something makes your point, BTW alleged would have been a better term, at least earn your elitist mentality. "Joe" is short for Joseph, which is his middle name, get it? The "exhalted liar" wasn't "aggrandized" so much as we had a gotcha moment from the "so called" messiah's own damn mouth when he answered the very simple question of exessive taxation with a socialist statement, you know, that whole "share the wealth" one, not our fault he put his soon to be presidential foot in his mouth........again. Maybe you should read both sides of the story before you call Joe the plumber a liar.
Look at you degrading yourself with such apologetics. Joe had no capacity to purchase the business, never discussed it with his boss, has been working for the guy for a number of years without getting said license which lends to the idea that he had no intention of becoming licensed.

As for alleged vs so called... I was trying to be a little pedestrian for you. Feel better about that now?

Socialist comment? Yeah, considering that we live in a social democracy and considering that for the last eight years we had a nice taste of facism with our greed I'm happy to hear a little socialism. Just because you don't give two ****s about your fellow man doesn't mean that the rest of us feel that way.
 
Look at you degrading yourself with such apologetics. Joe had no capacity to purchase the business, never discussed it with his boss, has been working for the guy for a number of years without getting said license which lends to the idea that he had no intention of becoming licensed.
From Wikipedia:

ABC News reported on October 16 that there is a judgment lien against Wurzelbacher for non-payment of $1,182 in owed Ohio state income taxes dating to January 2007, but "no action has been taken against him outside of filing the lien." Barb Losie, deputy clerk of the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas, said that "there is a 99 percent chance [Wurzelbacher] doesn't know about the lien, unless he did a credit report or was ready to pay his taxes."[51] While on Hannity & Colmes, Wurzelbacher stated that he was unaware of the tax lien prior to it being reported in the press, and felt he was being attacked because of his question of Obama.[52]

Also: Wurzelbacher said that the idea of buying the company was discussed during his job interview six years prior.[11]

and:

In October 2008, Wurzelbacher told the New York Times and Family Security Matters he is one of two employees of a small plumbing firm, Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo
As part of the background on McCain's use of "Joe the Plumber", several media outlets researched his professional plumbing credentials. One Toledo Blade article stated, "Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber." "Mr. Joseph (business manager of the local union) said Mr. Wurzelbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country." - He may not have known that he needed his own license, that would be his bosses failing, but he did plumbing work under a licensed plumber, so regardless of any other opinions he was a plumber



As for alleged vs so called... I was trying to be a little pedestrian for you. Feel better about that now?
There's that elitism again, but hey whatever, not my fault you wanted to use "so-called" because you assume superiority in opinion here.

Socialist comment? Yeah, considering that we live in a social democracy and considering that for the last eight years we had a nice taste of facism with our greed I'm happy to hear a little socialism. Just because you don't give two ****s about your fellow man doesn't mean that the rest of us feel that way.
Social democracy, maybe you should have paid more attention in school, we live in a democratic republic, based on free market economics and maximization of rights and liberties, socialism is the antithesis to that. FYI, the last eight years involved a great deal of socialism. Also, you can leave the emotional rhetoric at the end at home, cause it doesn't effect me or contribute to your point, conservatives statistically give more of their private funds to charity and causes than liberals, we just don't want the government to force that upon individuals as we understand that leads to an erosion of freedom, liberty, and constitutional principles, last I checked, there is no founding document or constitutional law requiring the government to force us to "give two ****s" about anyone.
 
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