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Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

ludahai said:
They won PARLIAMENTARY elections.
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it is democracy not seizure of power! Of course the same democracy which was buried in Algeria. You are like saying if not at your end, then it is not democracy.
 
Ammro said:
And his jolly land is not occupied by strangers for decades now claming that his land is theirs by Force and Western conspiracy.
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Firstly, Laila is female. Western conspiracy? Oy vey :rofl
 
Kandahar said:
Ugh...This sounds like a horrible idea. They've already explicitly said that their goal is just to end the rocket attacks, not overthrow Hamas. WTF? An invasion (and possible occupation) of Gaza that doesn't even overthrow Hamas is the worst of all possible worlds for Israel.

All it does is enrage people and allow Hamas to declare victory when Israel inevitably withdraws, who will almost certainly go back to the rocket attacks as soon as Israel leaves. Or if Hamas is really lucky, the Israelis will stick around permanently and Hamas can go back to its old pretense of wanting to end the occupation.

Did Israel learn absolutely nothing from the Second Lebanon War? What the hell does this accomplish? :doh
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Israel has no intention of occupying Gaza. The military objective is to end the incessant Hamas rocket attacks. If this requires the utter destruction of Hamas (and I believe it does), then so be it. No more phony ceasefires. Israeli public opinion is rock solid on this... do whatever is necessary to end the Hamas menace, but do not occupy and/or administer the strip.

A Hamas void begs the question of who would then govern Gaza. It won't be Israel. Nor Fatah. The most likely candidates are either Egypt or an international peacekeeping coalition.
 
ludahai said:
Who's country was it then? It certainly wasn't Palestine.
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I can understand this very strange argument from Pro-Israel Americans. Apparently the fact they didn't have a country means they didn't have a right to the land.

I suppose the US didn't have a right to revolt because they didn't have a country, it was Britain's land to do as it pleased with it.
 
Tashah said:
Firstly, Laila is female. Western conspiracy? Oy vey :rofl
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I am sorry for the mistake Laila!

When Israel came to being as a country and how? Where do Israelis live before?
What is the history of Palestinians and where do they live prior to moving to "Israelis country" and when they moved there? and why israelis permitted Palestinians to enter into Israel, build houses, and settle there??????

Who has cultivated Israel and made it a reality in the Middle East, and why? Who is arming and supporting Israel and why?

Look for answers to these questions you will understand the conspiracy. It is the same conspiracy that led Americans to kill millions of Iraqis and set the country to chaos on false grounds.
 
Tashah said:
Israel has no intention of occupying Gaza. The military objective is to end the incessant Hamas rocket attacks.
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I don't see how an invasion can accomplish this better than the bombing has. It's not like the bombs can't get to them...rockets need to be out in the open in order to work properly. And an invasion certainly isn't going to prevent any casualties.

Tashah said:
If this requires the utter destruction of Hamas (and I believe it does), then so be it.
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The Israeli government has already explicitly stated that the goal is not to overthrow Hamas. In other words, just enough force to enrage the Arab world, but not enough force to actually solve the problem.

Tashah said:
No more phony ceasefires. Israeli public opinion is rock solid on this... do whatever is necessary to end the Hamas menace, but do not occupy and/or administer the strip.
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That's what Israel said about Hezbollah in 2006, and look what happened. Although a major invasion and occupation would be able to dislodge Hamas from power (if Israel had any interest in doing so), it's almost impossible to actually get rid of an organization like Hamas through military firepower.

Tashah said:
A Hamas void begs the question of who would then govern Gaza. It won't be Israel. Nor Fatah. The most likely candidates are either Egypt or an international peacekeeping coalition.
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Fatah is the only party you listed that even has any interest in governing Gaza.
 
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Ammro said:
Look for answers to these questions you will understand the conspiracy. It is the same conspiracy that led Americans to kill millions of Iraqis and set the country to chaos on false grounds.
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Where are you from Ammro?
 
Ammro said:
I am sorry for the mistake Laila!

When Israel came to being as a country and how? Where do Israelis live before?
What is the history of Palestinians and where do they live prior to moving to "Israelis country" and when they moved there? and why israelis permitted Palestinians to enter into Israel, build houses, and settle there??????

Who has cultivated Israel and made it a reality in the Middle East, and why? Who is arming and supporting Israel and why?

Look for answers to these questions you will understand the conspiracy. It is the same conspiracy that led Americans to kill millions of Iraqis and set the country to chaos on false grounds.
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It is not a conspiracy, it was done quite openly.

The area which is now Israel had a population which was only 8% Jewish in 1918 by 1948 with the conviving of the British and the UN they'd taken over the area and property of that country. It was quite open.
 
Kandahar said:
I don't see how an invasion can accomplish this better than the bombing has. It's not like the bombs can't get to them...rockets need to be out in the open in order to work properly. And an invasion certainly isn't going to prevent any casualties.
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There is no way militarily to stop rocket attacks (mobile launchers) via air power exclusively. Indeed, rockets continued to be fired all during the first eight days of the air campaign. There will always be casualties in war. There is no way around this truism.

Kandahar said:
The Israeli government has already explicitly stated that the goal is not to overthrow Hamas. In other words, just enough force to enrage the Arab world, but not enough force to actually solve the problem.
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I believe you are wrong. All factions in the government of Israel have come to the stark conclusion that Hamas must go.

Kandahar said:
That's what Israel said about Hezbollah in 2006, and look what happened. Although a major invasion and occupation would be able to dislodge Hamas from power (if Israel had any interest in doing so), it's almost impossible to actually get rid of an organization like Hamas through military firepower.
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Yes. The same fundamental problem exists with all terrorist organizations.

Kandahar said:
Fatah is the only party you listed that even has any interest in governing Gaza.
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Abbas has no desire to sweep in to Gaza on the back of an IDF tank. This is just common political sense.
 
Ammro said:
it is democracy not seizure of power! Of course the same democracy which was buried in Algeria. You are like saying if not at your end, then it is not democracy.
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Wrong. They militarily seized power. They won PARLIAMENTARY elections, but the rightful head of 'state' is Mahmoud Abbas.
 
Wessexman said:
I can understand this very strange argument from Pro-Israel Americans. Apparently the fact they didn't have a country means they didn't have a right to the land.

I suppose the US didn't have a right to revolt because they didn't have a country, it was Britain's land to do as it pleased with it.
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People have argued that the Jews took the country away from the PAlestinians. However, the land NEVER belonged to the Palestinans!
 
Tashah said:
There is no way militarily to stop rocket attacks (mobile launchers) via air power exclusively. Indeed, rockets continued to be fired all during the first eight days of the air campaign. There will always be casualties in war. There is no way around this truism.
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OK, but what makes you think that an invasion will be more effective at stopping them than bombing? And even if it is, what's to stop Hamas from doing it again as soon as Israel withdraws?

Tashah said:
I believe you are wrong. All factions in the government of Israel have come to the stark conclusion that Hamas must go.
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Every news report I have read today says that the Israeli government is explicitly stating that the purpose of the incursion is to stop the rocket attacks, not to overthrow Hamas.

Tashah said:
Yes. The same fundamental problem exists with all terrorist organizations.
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So then what's the point of the invasion?

Tashah said:
Abbas has no desire to sweep in to Gaza on the back of an IDF tank. This is just common political sense.
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I think Abbas will take it however he can get it. It's not like he has much choice. Egypt or the UN certainly have no interest in occupying Gaza.
 
Ammro said:
I am a Nigerian? Does this make a difference to you? and you?
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No difference to me. Nigerian? Isn't Nigeria in Africa?
 
Kandahar said:
OK, but what makes you think that an invasion will be more effective at stopping them than bombing? And even if it is, what's to stop Hamas from doing it again as soon as Israel withdraws?
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There are no guarantees. But doing something is preferable to simply wishing on the moon.

Kandahar said:
Every news report I have read today says that the Israeli government is explicitly stating that the purpose of the incursion is to stop the rocket attacks, not to overthrow Hamas.
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Lol. Ok then. My language skills must be slipping.

Kandahar said:
So then what's the point of the invasion?
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the Taliban are still a power in Afghanistan. Does this infer that the initial US invasion was pointless and/or unnecessary?

Kandahar said:
I think Abbas will take it however he can get it. It's not like he has much choice.
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Depends greatly on time and circumstance. Understandably, Abbas has no desire or intention to be viewed as an Israeli puppet.
 
Kandahar;1057870847 the UN certainly have no interest in occupying Gaza.[/QUOTE said:
I,m not sure the UN can sit idle on this one. If the rhetoric is to believed they may be left with little option, or at least take an active role.

Paul.
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ludahai said:
People have argued that the Jews took the country away from the PAlestinians. However, the land NEVER belonged to the Palestinans!
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Your right .... the land belongs to the British.
 
SgtRock said:
That story is from Al Jazerra. It is propaganda. It is designed to anger muslims such as yourself. Do you pray in the Mosque at midnight? That is when this attack took place.
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Unless BBC and the Guardian is now Arab propaganda, people were in the Mosque praying evening prayers.
Remember, Muslims have to pray 5 times. One of them is late in the evening.

Six children among 12 killed in mosque blast | World news | The Observer

Scenes of carnage as Israeli shells strike crowd of civilians who were leaving evening prayers
 
Laila said:
Your right .... the land belongs to the British.
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You are correct! When the British Empire came from Europe, colonized and ruled Palestine (and other Third Word countries), they found no human beings in all of these lands.
 
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