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9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

MrVicchio said:
A guy claiming to be a modern liberal worried about the constitutional rights of terrorist... CLASSIC.
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You are so twisting what he is saying.

FG is clearly and specifically advocating for the constitutional rights of all American Citizens and you are claiming that he is advocating for the constitutional rights of terrorists.

In order for what he is clearly doing to be true and for what you are claiming he is doing to also be true, all American Citizens would have to be terrorists.

Unless you are simply saying that in advocating for the Constitutional Rights of American Citizens that he is also advocating for the rights of terrorists, in which case his advocacy is incidental and irrelevant.
 
Family Guy said:
Nice personal attack...can't you post without putting someone down?
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I didn't introduce us to the path of questioning each other's sense of right and wrong so don't go claiming some feigned emotional outrage because you got served a dish of your own making, sparky.

Care to show us when Muslims in traditional Muslim garb hijacked a plane in the USA?
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Are you saying none of the muslims on 9-11 were wearing turbans?

Save our Constitution and stop giving in to terrorists. Your sort of thinking is what terrorists want. They're beating you and you've been swallowed into their trap.
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Oh good god...do you ever tire of being so hysterical and irrational?
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Family Guy said:
Shame on you for posting such crap! This post is pure evil and disgusts me. It is this sort of nasty rhetoric that brings America down. You should be ashamed of yourself for writing such nonsense.

Thank you for exposing yourself. Quite revealing. Quite a thing to write. You sound like Palin, DeLay, Rove and all the other nasties who try to divide America by using fear and hate. It won't work. Check out the three branches of government and what America voted for.

I find it horrible that you would actually post that you think any American poster here:

A. - Hates Christians
B. - Hates Christians more than they hate terrorists

Evil, nasty post you wrote, shame on you!
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Well if the turban fits....
 
MrVicchio said:
Do you support:

1. Universal Healthcare
2. Global Warming Carbon Controls (read cap and trade)
3. Progessive Income Tax
4. Smoking Bans in private establishments (like bars and restaurants)
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I do and show me where any of those things violates our Constitution. Don't patronize us with your opinion rather show us one Supreme Court rulling against each one of the above that violates the Constitution.

MrVicchio said:
Patrick Henry would laugh at you btw, what happened here was a confluence of poor decisions by those 9 people, and concerned passengers taking action. Considering this is a PRIVATELY OWNED AIRLINER your entire "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" cry is beyond pointless. The AIRLINER is exercising it's LIBERTY.

Since the FBI cleared them... and the government took no other action.. you have ZERO room to bring PH into this debate. Get a clue buddy about what great people like Mr. Henry really believed in before you go off quoting them. Cause you obviously are oblivious to the reality!@
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So in other words you have no proof at all to back up your supporting that discriminating is Constitutional but you have traveled back in time and have a sworn affidavit from Patrick Henry supporting your interpretation?

I love people in this community who pretend to defend the Constitution of the United States only when it serves their purposes and they jump off the ship like rats in a fire when the defense of the Constitution includes things they are personally against.

I really believe that anyone here who supports violations of our civil and constitutional rights has fallen into the terrorists traps and that they are helping America lose our fight against terrorism.
 
MrVicchio said:
A guy claiming to be a modern liberal worried about the constitutional rights of terrorist... CLASSIC.
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Stop making up bull****. Stick to the truth, can you do that? Where in this instance were there terrorists? Where did I defend the rights of terrorists? You're not being truthful.

I am defending our Constitution against your thinking that it is OK to overlook our civil rights in order to discriminate against other Americans.

Stop making **** up. No one here is defending terrorists so step writing your lies. You're defending the weakening of the Constitution and that is wrong, wrong, wrong.

What does my being Liberal have to do with defending the Constitution (this should be rich)?
 
Family Guy said:
Shame on you for posting such crap! This post is pure evil and disgusts me. It is this sort of nasty rhetoric that brings America down. You should be ashamed of yourself for writing such nonsense.
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Now we see the sheer lunacy of the American left. Anonymous postings on an anonymous message board can constitute "pure evil" and constitutes what is bringing American down. :roll:

Thank you for exposing yourself. Quite revealing. Quite a thing to write. You sound like Palin, DeLay, Rove and all the other nasties who try to divide America by using fear and hate. It won't work. Check out the three branches of government and what America voted for.
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What have I exposed? I mean besides the fact that you trade rhetorical diarhea?

I find it horrible that you would actually post that you think any American poster here:

A. - Hates Christians
B. - Hates Christians more than they hate terrorists

Evil, nasty post you wrote, shame on you!
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Are you serious?

You're even more easily offended than Muslims that riot and kill over mere cartoons.
 
jallman said:
Well if the turban fits....
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A truly bigoted remark. What's your problem? Are you going to toss around the "N" word too? How about it?

You're despicable.

So anyone who wears a turban is subject to your hate? WOW! True colors old boy, true colors. Have you posted this type of hate here before or was this an honest slip? Are you prepared to defend your bigoted remark?
 
Family Guy said:
I do and show me where any of those things violates our Constitution. Don't patronize us with your opinion rather show us one Supreme Court rulling against each one of the above that violates the Constitution.
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If you could compose coherent sentences then you'd probably earn a little respect around here.

Why are you demanding that he present to you a supreme court ruling that is unconstitutional?

So in other words you have no proof at all to back up your supporting that discriminating is Constitutional but you have traveled back in time and have a sworn affidavit from Patrick Henry supporting your interpretation?
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Discrimination is legal. Public and private organizations, employers, and institutions discriminate on a daily basis. While some discriination is prohibited, not at all discrimination is not. As well, even though discrimination like race and gender are explicitly outlawed they are still legal so long as the discrimination targets whites or men.

So don't get all stupid on us because you don't comprehend another poster's comments.

I love people in this community who pretend to defend the Constitution of the United States only when it serves their purposes and they jump off the ship like rats in a fire when the defense of the Constitution includes things they are personally against.
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Please be sure to point that out when it happens.

OTOH, here we have you arguing about constitutional rights when the event at hand doesn't involve the exercise or infringement of a constitutional right. That you cannot grasp that doesn't make anyone else here hypocritical.

I really believe that anyone here who supports violations of our civil and constitutional rights has fallen into the terrorists traps and that they are helping America lose our fight against terrorism.
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Do ya? really? Do ya? :roll:
 
jallman said:
Are you saying none of the muslims on 9-11 were wearing turbans?
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I see! So wearing a turban makes you a potential terrorist? Really? Do you purposely not capitalize Muslim as a secret slap or are you going to tell us that you don't know any better?

What is it with some of you out there? Can't you see that your being racist against Muslims in general is wrong and against American Muslims are even worse? Who else do you discriminate against? Gays? Blacks? Jews? Liberals? Women? Movie Stars? Homeless? Welfare recipients?
 
Family Guy said:
I do and show me where any of those things violates our Constitution.
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For someone using Patrick Henry's call for "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" supporting those shows a SERIOUS failing. Liberty, as Mr. Henry was referring to, was Government control of citizens. What do you think UHC is? Control, it's control over how you live. "Well, sorry siry you're heavier then the government standard, so we're gonna deny you a new hip replacement". Don't think it won't happen, take a look around at system with such in place.

Carbon Controls, again the GOVERNMENT is going to dictate the behavior of everyone. "Oh you want your AC at 68? Well the Government doesn't approve, you may only have it at 76"

So much for Liberty!



Progressive Income taxation...

Yeah, you work HARD and Earn MORE you lose more... where is your belief in Liberty now... oh yeah, that money goes to the "great good".... I'm sure Mr. Henry would just so agree with that. :roll:

And finally smoking bans in privately owned establishements... you spend your time, money and effort to run a business, but now you cannot run it as you see fit because the GOVERNMENT has denied you the Liberty to decide if you want smoking in your building, and further more those that would CHOOSE to exercise their personal liberty to either patronize or not your smoking establishment have lost that too.

You are just SUCH a champion of Liberty sir.

Family Guy said:
Don't patronize us with your opinion rather show us one Supreme Court rulling against each one of the above that violates the Constitution.
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That's your fall back? Really? LOL



Family Guy said:
So in other words you have no proof at all to back up your supporting that discriminating is Constitutional but you have traveled back in time and have a sworn affidavit from Patrick Henry supporting your interpretation?
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I understand what he meant, and he wasn't talking about Private Institutions... he was talking ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT.

Family Guy said:
I love people in this community who pretend to defend the Constitution of the United States only when it serves their purposes and they jump off the ship like rats in a fire when the defense of the Constitution includes things they are personally against.
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You have no grasp of why Patrick Henry rallied people with "Give me Liberty or give me DEATH!" I highly doubt you grasp the Constitution, and I further that with your failing in this particular instance to stand up for this airliners right to to act as it sees fit. They acted in good faith, and have CHOSEN not to reimburse the passengers after the fact. Good for them!

That's not a Constitutional violation of anyones rights. Sorry you can't GRASP that fact.
 
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I like how the suspects brought their kids. Must have been a good old family hijacking. You know, you just don't see that kind of traditional values here in the US anymore.

Anyway, some of the responses are ridiculous:

"These people are brown and they should have known that we're scared of their people. Duh"
 
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Joby said:
I like how the suspects brought their kids. Must have been a good old family hijacking.

You know, you just don't see that kind of traditional values here in the US anymore.
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The Islamic Jihad is running a summer school - to teach boys the benefits of becoming suicide bombers.

A new generation of children, Palestinian boys aged between 12 and 15 years old, is growing up amid conflict and violence
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BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | School trains suicide bombers
It has happened again, still with no ensuing outrage from the human rights groups. Another Palestinian child was narrowly prevented from becoming a human bomb. This one, a 16-year-old (although some have reported that he is only 14 years old), was wrapped in explosives vests under his clothing and was stopped by Israeli forces at a West Bank checkpoint. His family is saying he has the intelligence of a 12-year-old and yet still the human rights groups continue to turn a blind eye.
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Turning a blind eye to child suicide bombers - 'Closing Argument' by Dan Abrams- msnbc.com

Because Terrorist never harm children.
 
MrVicchio said:
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | School trains suicide bombers
Turning a blind eye to child suicide bombers - 'Closing Argument' by Dan Abrams- msnbc.com

Because Terrorist never harm children.
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:rofl. Yes Vicchio. This family brought their kids along so they could participate in a terrorist attack and you prove that by providing completely non-sequitur links. The stupidity of some conservatives will never cease to amaze me. It's kind of like watching that crazy bitch from Trading Spouses screaming 'I come in the name of Jesus!' just in case.

YouTube - Trading Spouses - Crazy Lady - "I'm a God warrior"
 
Family Guy said:
I see! So wearing a turban makes you a potential terrorist? Really? Do you purposely not capitalize Muslim as a secret slap or are you going to tell us that you don't know any better?

What is it with some of you out there? Can't you see that your being racist against Muslims in general is wrong and against American Muslims are even worse? Who else do you discriminate against? Gays? Blacks? Jews? Liberals? Women? Movie Stars? Homeless? Welfare recipients?
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No, you are getting hysterical and reading things into posts that were not said at all.

You asked if any of the terrorists who hijacked american planes were wearing traditional muslim garb and I referenced the turbans some of them were wearing as traditional muslim garb.

I don't know why you can't have a discussion without defaulting to the hysterical histrionics of calling someone racist without justification.
 
Family Guy said:
A truly bigoted remark. What's your problem? Are you going to toss around the "N" word too? How about it?

You're despicable.

So anyone who wears a turban is subject to your hate? WOW! True colors old boy, true colors. Have you posted this type of hate here before or was this an honest slip? Are you prepared to defend your bigoted remark?
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It was a ridiculous remark meant to point out how ridiculous a post was. Or how ridiculous the poster who made the post was.

Get a grip on reality and start acting like an adult instead of like this is your super sweet sixteen and you didn't get the car you wanted.
 
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jallman said:
Are you saying none of the muslims on 9-11 were wearing turbans?
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Video shows 9/11 hijackers' security check

Nawaf and his brother, each wearing slacks and Oxford shirts, were directed to a nearby counter, where they appeared to examine their tickets while another screener checked Nawaf's carryon bag with an explosive trace detector. Each was cleared to board Flight 77.

The Associated Press obtained the video from the Motley Rice law firm, which is representing some survivors' families who are suing the airlines and security industry over their actions in the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Even after setting off these alarms, the airlines and security screeners failed to examine the hijackers' baggage, as required by federal regulations and industry mandated standards, or discover the weapons they would use in their attack," lawyer Ron Motley said.
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Does it matter what they were wearing?

Let's be serious here folks, you hop on a flight, a bunch of Muslims start making comments that make you REALLY uncomfortable, how many here would do nothing so as not to "offend" and how many would raise the alarm.

I'd rather the alarm raised to nothing, then silence out of fear of violating PC Protocol and people dying.

It's rather easy to go on knowing you were "wrong" about some people, or in their case being wrongly accused then it is to recover from death.
 
jallman said:
So that's two. How many others were there?
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Living | Understanding turbans: Don't link them to terrorism | Seattle Times Newspaper

The irony of the American focus on turbans in the wake of the terrorist attacks is that, at least in this country, turbans are a very poor predictor of a person's involvement in terrorist violence.

"Needless to say," said Ellis Goldberg, head of the Middle East studies center at the UW, "none of [the hijackers] was wearing any type of turban."
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Although none of the 19 hijackers wore turbans, and all were smooth-shaven, close-cropped, bareheaded men in Western clothes, the turban quickly substituted for the veil as the central metaphor for the Islamic world and became associated with terrorism.

Although many Americans showed great restraint and admirable tolerance, some lost it. John Cooksey, the congressman from Louisiana, called the turban "a diaper on the head." In a radio show, he announced that should he encounter a diaper-headed guy on a plane, he would need to have him "pulled over."
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Demystifying turbans, much of America doesn't understand their meanings By Lisa Fernandez - San Jose Mercury News

None of the 19 Muslim hijackers wore a turban. • Muslims aren't required by Islam to wear turbans -- if they
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do, it's out of personal choice. The prophet Muhammad in his teachings recommends only that Muslim men cover their heads while praying.
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Hatuey said:
Living | Understanding turbans: Don't link them to terrorism | Seattle Times Newspaper



Faculty Opinion



Demystifying turbans, much of America doesn't understand their meanings By Lisa Fernandez - San Jose Mercury News



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Thank you for answering the question. You didn't have to be a total dick about doing it.

That settles the question for the 9-11 hijackers. As for other American hijackings by muslim terrorists, can you show the same for the hijackers of TWA Flight 847, PanAm flight 103?
 
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jallman said:
Thank you for answering the question. You didn't have to be a total dick about doing it.
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Yes he did. He did because you were postulating a LIE! Vicious evil LIE! You might hurt the feelings of a Muslim reading these forums... so his behavior is both just and right!
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JMak said:
It's the same with idiots that blame all religion for terrorism when it's clear that only Muslims are waging a global terror war.
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Oh yes, that war that we are waging globally :roll:

If all 1.2 billion Muslims were terrorists then believe me, the world would be very different to how it is now.
 
jallman said:
Thank you for answering the question. You didn't have to be a total dick about doing it.
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Those huge letters weren't just for you. They are for EVERYONE who thinks that if the turban fits you're a terrorist. The Airline ****ed up. Saying that they were justified because the family was dressed like the Muslims from 9/11 is Bs. Nobody would have seen 9/11 coming if the thing they were looking out for was muslim clothing like 'turbans'. Using it to justify 'random' searches and unwarranted fears of anything Muslims is bs if that is the reason they cite. Not saying thats what you did. That's just what it seems like when people support taking Muslims off planes because of how they look.
 
MrVicchio said:
Yes he did. He did because you were postulating a LIE! Vicious evil LIE! You might hurt the feelings of a Muslim reading these forums... so his behavior is both just and right!
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Are you mad you got intellectually raped? Go back to Jesus land kid before I decide your cross is insulting to all powerful atheismo.
 
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