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9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

Not amongst Americans so your point is a straw man argument, sorry. Show us please the angst American Muslims have shown about being loyal to America over Islam?

Show me where American Muslims are out in front of the effort to expose radical Jihadists in their midsts.
 
When will all of you face the fact that Muslims, no matter how nice and good and hard working and sweet they might be, harbor in their midsts the seeds of the overthrow of our government through non-violent Jihad?

You can't just go by what you personally experience.

That is just silly. The majority of Muslims could care less about over throwing our government. They just want to live be happy and travel freely like the rest of us.

So why don't we just suspend the rights of all Muslims in this country and case solved.[/sarcasm]
 
You know--as much as anyone here--that Christians have been guilty of doing horrible things in the name of Christianity.

You know--as much as anyone here--that Muslims have been guilty of doing horrible things in the name of Islam.


So it goes....

Not really.

Christians are not waging a global terror campaign on many fronts.

Now we all know this is not all Muslims, but the minority. This does not change the fact it is on a large scale.
 
That is just silly. The majority of Muslims could care less about over throwing our government. They just want to live be happy and travel freely like the rest of us.

So why don't we just suspend the rights of all Muslims in this country and case solved.[/sarcasm]

It's time for happy fun camp. Ask the American-Japanese, it was a good time for all.
 
So do you also believe that judges that are christian shouldn't try the cases of rape victem's since their religion tells them that such victems should be stoned to death?


Ummmm... Don't know much about Christianity do you? Jesus said "he who is without sin throw the first stone." That pretty much ended stoning thousands of years ago for Christians.
 
Besides incest, child molestation, killing of it's own, polygamy and the murder of FBI agents, I would say none that I know of.

And how many others of all races and creeds are guilty of exactly the same thing?

That answer is just anti-Christian rhetoric at it's best.
 
It's pretty sad that our paranoia and fear has come to this. I think we should collectively be taking some deep breaths and calming down. There's going to be Muslims out there, even in this country, doesn't make them terrorists. Most of us will never meet a terrorist at all. The FBI had cleared up the misunderstanding and I don't think the family was allowed on another plane, even after the misunderstanding had been cleared. It's ridiculous, on some level it feels like we're living back in fear of witches or something. Half surprised we haven't burned anyone at the stake.

Jeez, I am so of multiple minds about this whole issue. I can see your point here, and it reminds me of what the true intention of terrorism is: To disrupt the good functioning of a society. In our case it is a free society with certain expectations about fairness. I then begin to wonder if the terror has succeeded in its aim if we become paranoid and ready to mistreat good people because of our fear.
 
Jeez, I am so of multiple minds about this whole issue. I can see your point here, and it reminds me of what the true intention of terrorism is: To disrupt the good functioning of a society. In our case it is a free society with certain expectations about fairness. I then begin to wonder if the terror has succeeded in its aim if we become paranoid and ready to mistreat good people because of our fear.

True, and the government isn't really one to be quelling these fears either. In fact, they justify expansion of power off of it, justify undeclared occupational war off of it. I think the government likes it. Keep us dumb, keep us afraid; keep us under thumb. Terrorism will always be some amount of threat, it's something that we will always have to remain vigilant for. But it doesn't mean we should be going overboard like this. We need rational, logical thought, not emotionalized rhetoric or fear mongering. Terrorism poses a threat, the probability for which is ridiculously small. Take it as it is, we don't need to start treating our own citizens with suspicion based on skin color or religion.
 
Do major Christian leaders make televised expostulations stating that they have every right promote their beliefs by force, or that the sins of the Clergy are permitted by the Prophets?

Francisco Franco? Its hasnt been long since Roman Catholic clergy were seen fireing at republican forces during the Spannish Civil War.Although many see Franco as ancient history you,ve got to bear in mind that his reign continued untill the late 1970s. Alot of people are saying christians arent cutting of peoples heads or what have you but the "Christian" Lords Resistance Army in Uganda has been far more brutal and still is till this day.

You may well say that the L.R.A do not represent genuine Christiality but thats exactly the argument moderate Muslims would make. Though considering the scriptures of both religeons are a mass of contradictions its perhaps futile to disscuss what a genuine form of the religeon would consitute. The only conclusion you can make from this is that both religeons have constructive and destructive interpretations. Or as Arundhati Roy put it "The mullahs of the Islamic world and the mullahs of the Hindu world and the mullahs of the Christian world are all on the same side, and we are against them all"
 
True, and the government isn't really one to be quelling these fears either. In fact, they justify expansion of power off of it, justify undeclared occupational war off of it. I think the government likes it. Keep us dumb, keep us afraid; keep us under thumb. Terrorism will always be some amount of threat, it's something that we will always have to remain vigilant for. But it doesn't mean we should be going overboard like this. We need rational, logical thought, not emotionalized rhetoric or fear mongering. Terrorism poses a threat, the probability for which is ridiculously small. Take it as it is, we don't need to start treating our own citizens with suspicion based on skin color or religion.

Well certainly Obama will clear things right up.

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Well certainly Obama will clear things right up.

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Not that this has anything to do with the topic. But Obama is a standard politician. If his appointments to his cabinet haven't raised those flags yet; don't expect anything different out of Obama. Same ol' same ol', adherence to the status quo.
 
Alot of people are saying christians arent cutting of peoples heads or what have you but the "Christian" Lords Resistance Army in Uganda has been far more brutal and still is till this day.

They just killed 600+ people over the holidays in Congo, raping hundreds of women and kidnapping hundreds of children.
 
Francisco Franco? Its hasnt been long since Roman Catholic clergy were seen fireing at republican forces during the Spannish Civil War.Although many see Franco as ancient history you,ve got to bear in mind that his reign continued untill the late 1970s. Alot of people are saying christians arent cutting of peoples heads or what have you but the "Christian" Lords Resistance Army in Uganda has been far more brutal and still is till this day.

You may well say that the L.R.A do not represent genuine Christiality but thats exactly the argument moderate Muslims would make. Though considering the scriptures of both religeons are a mass of contradictions its perhaps futile to disscuss what a genuine form of the religeon would consitute. The only conclusion you can make from this is that both religeons have constructive and destructive interpretations. Or as Arundhati Roy put it "The mullahs of the Islamic world and the mullahs of the Hindu world and the mullahs of the Christian world are all on the same side, and we are against them all"

But sticking our tongues out and ignoring the mullahs only allows their followers in hiding free reign to do their dirty deeds cheaply.

They just killed 600+ people over the holidays in Congo, raping hundreds of women and kidnapping hundreds of children.

And ONCE AGAIN only Islam's radicals threaten the sovereignty of the US.
 
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Well certainly Obama will clear things right up.

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Ikari makes some really good points here and this is all the response that you think is deserved? Totally off topic and irrelevant? Could you possibly reveal yourself as more 2 dimensional?
 
But sticking our tongues out and ignoring the mullahs only allows their followers in hiding free reign to do their dirty deeds cheaply.



And ONCE AGAIN only Islam's radicals threaten the sovereignty of the US.

I dont surgest we do ignore them.
 
Ikari makes some really good points here and this is all the response that you think is deserved? Totally off topic and irrelevant? Could you possibly reveal yourself as more 2 dimensional?

Intelligence is measured in one way as being able to make connections between similar things.

Ikari said:
True, and the government isn't really one to be quelling these fears either. In fact, they justify expansion of power off of it, justify undeclared occupational war off of it. I think the government likes it. Keep us dumb, keep us afraid; keep us under thumb. Terrorism will always be some amount of threat, it's something that we will always have to remain vigilant for. But it doesn't mean we should be going overboard like this. We need rational, logical thought, not emotionalized rhetoric or fear mongering. Terrorism poses a threat, the probability for which is ridiculously small. Take it as it is, we don't need to start treating our own citizens with suspicion based on skin color or religion.

If you can't make the connection between what he said and what I said about Obama then you embarrass yourself.
 

No, not like that. I specifically said beheading and hijacking planes.

You can cry and caterwaul all you want about the random Christian who does something bad, but you can never prove that it was the Christian doctrine or teaching that moved them to do it. You will never hear the Pope or any other mainstream preacher call for such violence. Not true of the mullahs.

Carry on.
 
I wonder if the "typical white person" would have been nervous by those comments.
 
The Pope has spouted some intolerant, homophobic, disgusting remarks before. We do not judge all Catholics on that nor do we judge all catholics/christians on what some of their priests has been up too.

As much as people like you like to whine about Islam and religious text the bottom line is that a book cannot make someone do something.

On topic: The only reason the family was viewed as suspicious was the fact they were Muslims. Its disappointing to hear people are still ignorant. When fear over rules common sense, then problems arise.
The airway should apologise and offer to pay for the flight they missed.
 
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The Pope has spouted some intolerant, homophobic, disgusting remarks before.

The pope has never called for suicide bombers, hijacking of planes, and mass carnage against civilians.

You fail.
 
1 Imam does not speak for all Muslims

The Pope speaks for all Catholics. So when the Pope spouts homophobic bull****, he indirectly speaks for all his followers.
No person has such religious authority within Islam.

And you missed the point i was trying to make or did you just ignore it?
 
1 Imam does not speak for all Muslims

The Pope speaks for all Catholics. So when the Pope spouts homophobic bull****, he indirectly speaks for all his followers.
No person has such religious authority within Islam.

And you missed the point i was trying to make or did you just ignore it?

Even still, the pope does not make the calls for violence that Imams and mullahs do for muslims. You. Still. Fail.
 
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