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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Goobieman said:
Amazing what people will go through to not have to admit that the problems in Gaza aren't all Israel's fault.
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Its not all Israel's fault but it does also have responsibility, as do the Arabs.
 
Laila said:
Its not all Israel's fault but it does also have responsibility, as do the Arabs.
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When Hamas (and the rest of the pro-Palestinian crowd) starts holding other Arabs accountable for the plight of the Palestinians like they do Israel, you, they, and your statement will hold water.
 
Goobieman said:
When Hamas (and the rest of the pro-Palestinian crowd) starts holding other Arabs accountable for the plight of the Palestinians like they do Israel, you, they, and your statement will hold water.
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Well, if you look closely, you will see that not too many arab states are coming to their aid. That's holding them accountable, don't ya think?
 
Billo_Really said:
Egypt isn't building settlements in the West Bank.
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Notice how the grievance is always changing? Just like AQ or any other terror outfit. The grievance simply morphes as needed to justify whatever it is they're doing at the moment.
 
JMak said:
Notice how the grievance is always changing? Just like AQ or any other terror outfit. The grievance simply morphes as needed to justify whatever it is they're doing at the moment.
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That's what -has- to happen when you ultimate goal is to destroy Israel, as no matter what Israel does to make you happy, you're STILL going to attack her.
 
Billo_Really said:
Well, if you look closely, you will see that not too many arab states are coming to their aid. That's holding them accountable, don't ya think?
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That's because Iran has already armed them to the teeth with weaponry and another 20,000-strong force.

But these countries haven't before come to their aid, either. At least not materially. But via public opinion at the UN, the media, and elsewhere to put pressure on Israel to stop defending herself.

Notice at the height of the rocket attacks in bub's graph...there was no outrage from these nations or most of the rest of the world...none. Yet, Israel launches limited attacks against Hamas leaders and facilities and launching areas and Israel is condemned.

Sickening.
 
EgoffTib said:
Oh really? Some would beg to differ with you:

Israel Doesn't Need 'Gas Chambers' To Commit Genocide
Israel gets a free pass to commit genocide - Topix

They have killed 14,000 Palestinians since 1950. While it may be a slower process then the Holocaust, it surely fits the definition of systematic destruction of a people:

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
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You seem to have a love for terrorist propaganda web sites.

Your arguments are once more absurd and completely ignore the reason for so many Palestinian deaths; it is called terrorism. You might want to educate yourself on the topic and obtain an understanding why violence is the ONLY thing that terrorist have to offer the ignorant who believe in their cause.

Carry on; you seldom disappoint with your incessant terrorist propaganda which supports and ideology which primary purpose is the genocide of the Jewish people.

:roll:
 
Quote: Originally Posted by Billo_Really
Egypt isn't building settlements in the West Bank.

bub said:
why is it so absurd?
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Fascinating that you need to even ask; here's a clue for you: What does claiming that Egypt is not occupying the West Bank have to do with ANY debate about the fact that Egypt is also blocking access to and from Gaza.

Egypt doesn't want the terrorist Palestinians in their land either.

Suggesting that they are DIFFERENT from Israel blocking access because they don't occupy the West Bank is, absurd. :roll:
 
Truth Detector said:
Quote: Originally Posted by Billo_Really
Egypt isn't building settlements in the West Bank.



Fascinating that you need to even ask; here's a clue for you: What does claiming that Egypt is not occupying the West Bank have to do with ANY debate about the fact that Egypt is also blocking access to and from Gaza.

Egypt doesn't want the terrorist Palestinians in their land either.

Suggesting that they are DIFFERENT from Israel blocking access because they don't occupy the West Bank is, absurd. :roll:
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Goobieman asked: Why isn't Hamas also sending rockets into Egypt?
Billo answered: Egypt isn't building settlements in the West Bank.

Nothing absurd
 
Billo_Really said:
I'm sure they'll get over it as soon as Israel gets its foot off their neck!
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I suspect its foot will be on their neck as long as they keep sending in "peace loving" people strapped with dynamite to blow up crowded buses.
 
bub said:
Goobieman asked: Why isn't Hamas also sending rockets into Egypt?
Billo answered: Egypt isn't building settlements in the West Bank.

Nothing absurd
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My mistake, I thought they were talking about Egypt blocking access into Egypt.
 
Truth Detector said:
My mistake, I thought they were talking about Egypt blocking access into Egypt.
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I was.

The Blockade of Gaza is the current excuse Hamas is giving for its attacks on Israel.

That said. the question as to why Hamas isn't also attacking Egypt is not addressed by any reference to Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
 
Goobieman said:
I was.

The Blockade of Gaza is the current excuse Hamas is giving for its attacks on Israel.

That said. the question as to why Hamas isn't also attacking Egypt is not addressed by any reference to Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
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That's what I originally thought; so therefore, I retract my retraction and remain totally confused by the debate as is typical on DP where Liberals desperately attempt to defend/excuse terrorist’s actions and baselessly attempt to put all the blame on Israel.

:2wave:
 
Truth Detector said:
That's what I originally thought; so therefore, I retract my retraction and remain totally confused by the debate as is typical on DP where Liberals desperately attempt to defend/excuse terrorist’s actions and baselessly attempt to put all the blame on Israel.

:2wave:
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Yes... the "well, the Egyptians arent building settlements in the West Bank" response was nothing but misdirection and obfuscation. It doesn't address the issue at all.
:2wave:
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Wow. I never thought people would be going bonkers here in America over it.

LiveLeak.com - San Francisco: Pro Hamas Rally Gets Ugly
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The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a reflection of the global war on terror in microcosm.

There are Imams calling for believers to rise up in opposition to the incursion and so some of the faithful are doing so in rallies. Others are doing it in online political forums.
 
bhkad said:
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a reflection of the global war on terror in microcosm.

There are Imams calling for believers to rise up in opposition to the incursion and so some of the faithful are doing so in rallies. Others are doing it in online political forums.
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like...who?
 
bhkad said:
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a reflection of the global war on terror in microcosm.

There are Imams calling for believers to rise up in opposition to the incursion and so some of the faithful are doing so in rallies. Others are doing it in online political forums.
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The incursion into Iraq and Afghanistan? WRONG; the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been going on since 1948, perhaps even a few years earlier and has NOTHING to do with Iraq or Afghanistan.

Carry on. :2wave:
 
Here's one for the moral equivalence crowd and the proportionality fetishists -

Here is a good example of Hamas's modus operandi. They set up a mortar team next to a school crowded with refugees, fire a few rounds (acoustic mortar detectors can locate the source fairly quickly), then run before the counterstrike arrives. Innocent people pay the price — in this case, 30 killed, 55 wounded. This has happened at two different schools so far. So Hamas is not just hiding among civilians or using them as human shields, they are intentionally engineering headline-grabbing mass casualty events they can blame on Israel.

Great bunch of guys.

h/t NRO.
 
JMak said:
Here's one for the moral equivalence crowd and the proportionality fetishists -

Here is a good example of Hamas's modus operandi. They set up a mortar team next to a school crowded with refugees, fire a few rounds (acoustic mortar detectors can locate the source fairly quickly), then run before the counterstrike arrives. Innocent people pay the price — in this case, 30 killed, 55 wounded. This has happened at two different schools so far. So Hamas is not just hiding among civilians or using them as human shields, they are intentionally engineering headline-grabbing mass casualty events they can blame on Israel.

Great bunch of guys.

h/t NRO.
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Well, if Israel would just get there ass out of the West Bank, take down that apartheid wall, stop stopping basic services and humanitarian relief from entering Gaza and restricting their bombing to where they set up the mortar rounds, they wouldn't have to bomb the school. I don't know why you'd want too. The school didn't fire the mortar rounds, assholes did. And just how is the Palestinian government supposed to stop these rocket attacks when IDF soldiers shoot anyone that has a gun?
 
Goobieman said:
Yes... the "well, the Egyptians arent building settlements in the West Bank" response was nothing but misdirection and obfuscation. It doesn't address the issue at all.
:2wave:
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Oh yes it does. Israel is doing things that are enabling this hatred. If they would just stop exporting their own brand of terrorism, a lot of this hatred towards them would go away. Egypt did not turn Gaza into an open air prison, Israel did. And that's a war crime. What you want addressed, is a myth! You want Israel to be absolved of any wrongdoing at all. You think they can have their cake and eat it too.
 
Billo_Really said:
Well, if Israel would just get there ass out of the West Bank, take down that apartheid wall, stop stopping basic services and humanitarian relief from entering Gaza and restricting their bombing to where they set up the mortar rounds, they wouldn't have to bomb the school.
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If the Palestinians would govern themselves resposnibily and stop indiscriminately killing Israeli civilians, well, you'd have a point.

I don't know why you'd want too. The school didn't fire the mortar rounds, assholes did. And just how is the Palestinian government supposed to stop these rocket attacks when IDF soldiers shoot anyone that has a gun?
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Right, so just let the Palestinians continue firing rounds into Israeli hoods because the Palestinians have holed up on school grounds, eh?

Seriously, are the Palestinians immune from any responsbility for locating, storing, luanching, etc. terror attacks from schools, hospitals, cemeteries, etc.?

I guess not to apologists like you.
 
Truth Detector said:
You seem to have a love for terrorist propaganda web sites.
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I was pointing out that his opinion is negated by the opinions of others, showing that opinion is a dumb form of argument. Stand up next time so it won't go over your head.

Your arguments are once more absurd and completely ignore the reason for so many Palestinian deaths; it is called terrorism. You might want to educate yourself on the topic and obtain an understanding why violence is the ONLY thing that terrorist have to offer the ignorant who believe in their cause.
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When have I supported terrorism? Please, I'd love for you to back this one up.

Carry on; you seldom disappoint with your incessant terrorist propaganda which supports and ideology which primary purpose is the genocide of the Jewish people.

:roll:
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Have a great day living in your own little world. :2wave:
 
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