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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

ludahai said:
Do you actually know what the current teachings of the church are regarding private property?
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That is the current teaching along with some later additions from PiusXI and some much smaller works from later popes.




But we are not talking about a Catholic area of the world. Do you think I am one who forces my religious values on other parts of the world?
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I'm talking about you not them. You keep attacking property.


However, all land ownership is subject to the laws of a particular government/society. Would you care to explain how the Jews gained ownership of the land?
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A lot of it by force, sometimes with the help of the British and even some arabs and sometimes they bought it. The fact that rules change does not wipe out all rights to the property.
 
"The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports of Israel's heavy artillery bombardment of densely populated Gaza on Saturday that "The American School north of Gaza was directly hit and almost completely destroyed, with one school guard killed. In addition, at least three to five schools were damaged by Israeli shelling of nearby targets." I presume that this is the school working to promote US good relations with Palestinians that now no longer exists.. Of course, the rest of the humanitarian situation is pretty bad, too--"Distribution of food assistance to the most vulnerable is erratic due to the security situation.""

Another Hamas weapons cache?:doh
 
Khayembii Communique said:
"The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports of Israel's heavy artillery bombardment of densely populated Gaza on Saturday that "The American School north of Gaza was directly hit and almost completely destroyed, with one school guard killed. In addition, at least three to five schools were damaged by Israeli shelling of nearby targets." I presume that this is the school working to promote US good relations with Palestinians that now no longer exists.. Of course, the rest of the humanitarian situation is pretty bad, too--"Distribution of food assistance to the most vulnerable is erratic due to the security situation.""

Another Hamas weapons cache?:doh
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Why wouldn't Hamas hide weapons in schools? Why wouldn't Hamas leaders or men hide in schools?

Hamas' past deviousness in taking advantage of sanctuaries like Mosques and hospitals and schools and civilian homes is now working against the people of Gaza.

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Laila said:
Hamas will use anything for propaganda, i want my PM to show some form of backbone and morality. Condemn both sides

US is clearly not going to condemn, i want EU and UK PM to do it.
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You are falsely equating backbone and morality with condemning Israel's defensive actions. It sounds like the only criticism you have of Brown not condemning the response is your disagreement with it.

Palestine is not a country in any sense of the word. The central government is unstable and run by militant extremists that are intent on wiping out Israel while its populace is impoverished and uneducated due to a lack of basic infrastructural integrity.

A stable, Arabic-lead coalition (backed by select Western interests) must assume sovereignty over Palestine and summarily restore order by providing security and basic infrastructural necessities. People are less inclined towards aggression when they do not lack the basic necessities of life.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
None of this proves at all that "Arabs hate jews". You're defending hate.
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If you're correct, then Egypt, Jordan, and other arab nations would be blaming Hamas for starting a war with Israel.

What are they really doing? They are blaming Israel for defending themselves.

This is pretty obvious proof that the Arabs in the middle east do not like Israel simply because it exists.
 
Wessexman said:
But when Palestinians attack civilians it is a terrible thing? Despite the fact these civilians are actually living on the land that was stolen from the Palestinians.:roll:

Personally I think that we should be consistent and chivalrous and rule out all attacks on civilians even if they may be being used to hide military objects.
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That land was stolen from the jews by the Romans around 321BC. In fact, the name "Palestine" was given to that land by the same jew-hating Roman general. As such, Palestine DID NOT exist before that time; however, Judea, did. Therefore, the jews have a right to be on that land.

I do not agree. Hamas cannot be allowed to use civilian buildings to store weapons. Doing so would allow them safe haven from which to plan attacks and store arms. Allowing such a thing is a tactical error in EVERY case.
 
Vader said:
That land was stolen from the jews by the Romans around 321BC. In fact, the name "Palestine" was given to that land by the same jew-hating Roman general. As such, Palestine DID NOT exist before that time; however, Judea, did. Therefore, the jews have a right to be on that land.

I do not agree. Hamas cannot be allowed to use civilian buildings to store weapons. Doing so would allow them safe haven from which to plan attacks and store arms. Allowing such a thing is a tactical error in EVERY case.
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The Arabs on the land are generally descended from those who have been there as long as the Jews.
 
ludahai said:
I love how you put words in the mouths of others. It is PATENTLY OBVIOUS that many Arabs DO hate the Jews. They, along with the Persian regime in Iran, want to drive Israel INTO THE SEA. Hamas's charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Israel on the other hand wants a truce with international monitors on the ground. Hamas refuses. Please tell me, who hates whom?
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Khayembii Communique said:
None of this proves at all that "Arabs hate jews". You're defending hate.
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oh i see, it shows how much the Arabs love the Jews
thanks for clearing that up :roll:
 
How many Arabs actually know a good number of Jews?
 
Wessexman said:
The Arabs on the land are generally descended from those who have been there as long as the Jews.
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Funny...I don't see Indians...errrr....Native Americans getting rockets from Iran to launch into American cities.

Maybe I'm missing something.
 
oh i see, it shows how much the Arabs love the Jews
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This is just about as racist as saying that Arabs hate Jews. You seriously can't see the blatant problem with your statments?
 
JMak said:
Funny...I don't see Indians...errrr....Native Americans getting rockets from Iran to launch into American cities.

Maybe I'm missing something.
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Slot machine appeasement. Make a small select rich and have them pay to keep the rest of their poorer peoples in check with free handouts.
 
bub said:
Collateral damages are inevitable in a war. But there are still many civilians killed in Gaza.

Do you think it's a good tactic to kill some of them (by accident) so that they reject the Hamas? Do you think it's what Israel does, and do you support it?
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I don't call it a tactic on the part of the Israeli's, that collateral damage can be directly attributed to the TACTICS of Hamas and other terrorist organizations who PURPOSELY hide among the civilian population with the FULL knowledge that there will be innocents killed in the collateral damage no matter what care the Israeli military takes to minimize it, and that the gullible media and Liberals of the world will then decry the efforts of the Israeli military.

Do you know why organizations like Hamas never use the term Israel in their communications and call them "Zionists?"
 
Khayembii Communique said:
None of this proves at all that "Arabs hate jews". You're defending hate.
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And you are professing denial and willful ignorance. Have you read Hamas charter? It calls for the destruction of the "Zionist" state and does not recognize Israel as a nation or that the Jews have a right to exist in "Arab" lands.

How does one negotiate with a terrorist group who starts from the stance that your nation does not even exist, has no right to exist and should be destroyed?

Arab leagues on three different occasions attempted to destroy Israel by attacking it with surprise and no declaration. What part of this does not exhibit Arab hate?

Arab leaders have publicly indicated their hate of Jews. Ahmandinijad does it with almost every speech. You wish to claim there is no Muslim hate?
 
Truth Detector said:
And you are professing denial and willful ignorance. Have you read Hamas charter? It calls for the destruction of the "Zionist" state and does not recognize Israel as a nation or that the Jews have a right to exist in "Arab" lands.

How does one negotiate with a terrorist group who starts from the stance that your nation does not even exist, has no right to exist and should be destroyed?
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Don't forget the 'we shall not rest until it is destroyed' part.

Arab leagues on three different occasions attempted to destroy Israel by attacking it with surprise and no declaration. What part of this does not exhibit Arab hate?
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Seems to me that genocide necessitates hate.
 
DeeJayH said:
and that you would see my comment as racist only shows how Pro-terrorist/anti-Israeli you are, to the point of fanaticism
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The fact that you don't see that as a racist is indicative of your willingness to ignore the faults of the Jews while lambasting the Palestinians.
 
And you are professing denial and willful ignorance. Have you read Hamas charter? It calls for the destruction of the "Zionist" state and does not recognize Israel as a nation or that the Jews have a right to exist in "Arab" lands.

How does one negotiate with a terrorist group who starts from the stance that your nation does not even exist, has no right to exist and should be destroyed?

Arab leagues on three different occasions attempted to destroy Israel by attacking it with surprise and no declaration. What part of this does not exhibit Arab hate?

Arab leaders have publicly indicated their hate of Jews. Ahmandinijad does it with almost every speech. You wish to claim there is no Muslim hate?
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Do you think this somehow supports the assertion that "[All] arabs hate jews"?

and that you would see my comment as racist only shows how Pro-terrorist/anti-Israeli you are, to the point of fanaticism
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"All arabs hate Jews"

is just as racist as

"All arabs love Jews"

You are making a generalization about a particular race of people. That is racist. If you can't see that then you have problems.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
Do you think this somehow supports the assertion that "[All] arabs hate jews"?



"All arabs hate Jews"

is just as racist as

"All arabs love Jews"

You are making a generalization about a particular race of people. That is racist. If you can't see that then you have problems.
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I never said 'all arabs hate jews'
and when i said THE arabs love jews, it should have been clear i was being sarcastic
 
Khayembii Communique said:
None of this proves at all that "Arabs hate jews". You're defending hate.
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I never said ALL Arabs hate Jews. However, it is patently obvious that there is a substantial portion of the Arab and Persian population that DOES hate Jews. Any denial of that is simple ignorance of reality.
 
Wessexman said:
That is the current teaching along with some later additions from PiusXI and some much smaller works from later popes.





I'm talking about you not them. You keep attacking property.



A lot of it by force, sometimes with the help of the British and even some arabs and sometimes they bought it. The fact that rules change does not wipe out all rights to the property.
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The Catholic Church teaches that there is NO ABSOLUTE right to private property and that responsible government authority has the right to regulate its use.

In many cases it was purchased by Jewish people. However, you must keep in mind that we are talking about State sovereignty in this thread, NOT private land ownership.
 
Wessexman said:
The Arabs on the land are generally descended from those who have been there as long as the Jews.
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The Arabs invaded in the 7th century and forced Islam on a previously Christian population. The Jews (Israelites) were there before the Arabs, who were generally living to the south in the desert during much of Old Testament times.

Let us not forget, that the current range of Islam territorially was MOSTLY spread by the sword (Indonesia and the rest of Southeast Asia a major exception to this). Islam invaded EUrope on multiple occasions. Islam's founding and propogation was founded on violence.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
This is just about as racist as saying that Arabs hate Jews. You seriously can't see the blatant problem with your statments?
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How is it racist if it is the truth. Once again, look CAREFULLY at my posts. Did I say ALL Arabs hate Jews? Read carefully please before you mischaracterize what I am saying.
 
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