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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

bub said:
Yes, and 75% of the casualties are Hamas members.

You can feel sad for the civilians, as I am and as evryone should be, but don't say that 400 innocent Palestinians were killed!
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don't buy into the BS, you & I know exactly what she was implying
Laila said:
I stated all 400 Palestinians are innocent?
I would love to see you quote that
I recall stating a fact: 400 dead Palestinians, 1 commander.
True no?
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you make it sound like they were all innocents
you never stated it was 75% terrorists, so i guess that means you do not think any hamas were killed

bub said:
OK sorry I read your post too fast
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no you didnt
Truth Detector said:
I find this logic, or lack thereof, fascinating. So what tactic works with terrorists who seem bent on blowing up your citizens?
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I would love to hear what the arabs plan for peace with Israel is
of course I mean the one that does not include the wiping out of the state of Israel

Laila said:
You mean like when Hamas said it may accept a brokered ceasefire? Like that sort of negotiating that is beyond Hamas you mean?
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I am sorry but when did Hamas say they would accept a ceasefire?
was that before they fired rockets into Israel and started the latest escalation of violence

sorry but you do not get to start a military action, than ask for a ceasefire when your enemy starts kicking the ever living **** out of your backwater ****hole of a community
 
Laila said:
'If IDF ceases aggression, we'll talk' | Middle East | Jerusalem Post

I'd be happy to provide more than one source, i even chosen that source specially.
Yet i didn't state they was all innocent, i don't care what you assumed from that post. I did not write it.
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you do not get to start a war and than cry for a ceasefire when you get your ass kicked

Hamas started it, and Israel should slaughter as many as they can target
they should destroy every safe house, every HQ, every bomb making facility, every arms storage house, every tunnel, and to hell with how many 'innocent palestinians' are caught in teh crossfire
If the 'innocents do not want to be killed in the crossfire, maybe they should bring pressure to bear on Hamas and make them stop attacking Israeli civilians
every innocen life lost is tragic
but put the blame where it lies
Hamas started this
now they are getting the **** kicked out of them and now they want Israel to surrender and talk about a ceasefire

where in teh **** did you learn such BS backwards ass thinking
they had a ceasefire
Hamas Broke the ceasefire
they are presently losing
they do not get to dictate the terms of a ceasefire nor terms to broker a ceasefire
that is not how war works
that is not how the world works
 
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bub said:
I also believe that if illegal (mexican) immigrants started building colonies in Arizona or Texas, they'd not be particularly welcomed by the locals!
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So, are you trying to argue that Jews were establishing illegal colonies in the Middle East?
 
ludahai said:
I appreciate your intellectual honesty on this point.
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bub's a real good guy on here
but i think he was getting a little too much into the bottle when he started going on about appeasing terrorists(Hamas) ;)
 
DeeJayH said:
you do not get to start a war and than cry for a ceasefire when you get your ass kicked

Hamas started it, and Israel should slaughter as many as they can target
they should destroy every safe house, every HQ, every bomb making facility, every arms storage house, every tunnel, and to hell with how many 'innocent palestinians' are caught in teh crossfire
If the 'innocents do not want to be killed in the crossfire, maybe they should bring pressure to bear on Hamas and make them stop attacking Israeli civilians
every innocen life lost is tragic
but put the blame where it lies
Hamas started this
now they are getting the **** kicked out of them and now they want Israel to surrender and talk about a ceasefire

where in teh **** did you learn such BS backwards ass thinking
they had a ceasefire
Hamas Broke the ceasefire
they are presently losing
they do not get to dictate the terms of a ceasefire nor terms to broker a ceasefire
that is not how war works
that is not how the world works
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How barbaric. Life cannot be measured unlike gold. There is always time for talking. If their leader is dead then all that Israel needs to make them agree to a leader that will chose peaceful means and police his own the proper way.
And all the time have a really, really big stick in waiting behind their back. If they break their word. Slap um with it.

They need to set more goals.

For instance reward their good behavior instead of punishing for bad.
Tell them if they want the block removed they must have not a single rocket for a month. It is much, much more impacting.

Then if they stop we will be able to see Israel's good side.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
How barbaric. Life cannot be measured unlike gold. There is always time for talking. If their leader is dead then all that Israel needs to make them agree to a leader that will chose peaceful means and police his own the proper way.
And all the time have a really, really big stick in waiting behind their back. If they break their word. Slap um with it.

They need to set more goals.

For instance reward their good behavior instead of punishing for bad.
Tell them if they want the block removed they must have not a single rocket for a month. It is much, much more impacting.

Then if they stop we will be able to see Israel's good side.
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let me try this again, i will go really slow too

they had a ceasefire
Hamas Broke the ceasefire

what part of that do you not get
If Palestinians want it to end, they can hang every member of Hamas today or tomorrow
and i can assure you there will be a ceasefire
than if the Pal's really want to grow up they can sign a treaty
a treaty is something Israel has never broke
 
DeeJayH said:
let me try this again, i will go really slow too

they had a ceasefire
Hamas Broke the ceasefire

what part of that do you not get
If Palestinians want it to end, they can hang every member of Hamas today or tomorrow
and i can assure you there will be a ceasefire
than if the Pal's really want to grow up they can sign a treaty
a treaty is something Israel has never broke
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Yes, and it's not the first ceasefire they've broken. All a ceasefire will do is give Hamas a chance to regroup and smuggle in more arms, explosives and ammo... and a chance to booby trap the border and build a whole bunch more rockets. That is why Hamas wants a ceasefire.
 
In what appeared to be a new Israeli tactic, the military called at least some of the houses ahead of time to warn inhabitants of an impending attack. In some cases, it also fired a sound bomb to warn away civilians before flattening the homes with powerful missiles, Palestinians and Israeli defense officials said.
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Sounds like appropriate restraint to me.

source
 
ludahai said:
So, are you trying to argue that Jews were establishing illegal colonies in the Middle East?
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I'm not talking about Israel itself, but about the colonies that are on Palestinian territory and which are, according to me and most of the world except certain Israelis and maybe certain conservative Americans, illegal.
 
bub said:
I'm not talking about Israel itself, but about the colonies that are on Palestinian territory and which are, according to me and most of the world except certain Israelis and maybe certain conservative Americans, illegal.
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Sorry, I thought the reference was to pre-1947.

I agree that those settlements are technically illegal. Israel should withdraw from them as part of a comprehensive peace deal with the Palestinians and guaranteed by the international community. I don't think it is a good idea for Israel to withdraw unilaterally at this point, given what happened after Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza.
 
ludahai said:
Sorry, I thought the reference was to pre-1947.
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No, I just think that Israel should not control Gaza and West Bank

I agree that those settlements are technically illegal. Israel should withdraw from them as part of a comprehensive peace deal with the Palestinians and guaranteed by the international community. I don't think it is a good idea for Israel to withdraw unilaterally at this point, given what happened after Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza.
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It's a good argument but I recently discovered that in fact, the colonies of Gaza were really tiny. It's great that they withrewn from there, but it's not very significant compared to the size of the other colonies:

Israeli settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see, there were 7,000 settlers in Gaza (whose total population is over 1,5 million), while there are over 440,000 settlers in total. Furthermore, even if the Gaza colonies have disappeared, the total ammount of settlers does not stop increasing, and 2 years after the 7,000 Gaza settlers left, there were 40,000 more settlers in total!

So, it was a good first step but it was quite symbolic
 
bub said:
No, I just think that Israel should not control Gaza and West Bank



It's a good argument but I recently discovered that in fact, the colonies of Gaza were really tiny. It's great that they withrewn from there, but it's not very significant compared to the size of the other colonies:

Israeli settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see, there were 7,000 settlers in Gaza (whose total population is over 1,5 million), while there are over 440,000 settlers in total. Furthermore, even if the Gaza colonies have disappeared, the total ammount of settlers does not stop increasing, and 2 years after the 7,000 Gaza settlers left, there were 40,000 more settlers in total!

So, it was a good first step but it was quite symbolic
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And the symbolism was NOT lost on the terrorists. They are on the offensive because they don't want Israel to stop with Gaza or the West Bank. They won't stop until Israel is driven into the Mediterranean Sea.
 
ludahai said:
And the symbolism was NOT lost on the terrorists. They are on the offensive because they don't want Israel to stop with Gaza or the West Bank. They won't stop until Israel is driven into the Mediterranean Sea.
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ludahai said:
And the symbolism was NOT lost on the terrorists. They are on the offensive because they don't want Israel to stop with Gaza or the West Bank. They won't stop until Israel is driven into the Mediterranean Sea.
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One thing I want to know..... How do you a 1-ton bomb and only kill 16 people? Is someone fudging statistics? Nice to see that Israel let out those with paperwork to other countries. Wonder what is to become of those without a paper trail.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
One thing I want to know..... How do you a 1-ton bomb and only kill 16 people? Is someone fudging statistics? Nice to see that Israel let out those with paperwork to other countries. Wonder what is to become of those without a paper trail.
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That depends greatly on the contents of the warhead portion of the bomb.

If the warhed is weak, it will not do a great deal of blast damage; however, the weight of the bomb will make it useful against a single structure. The structure could be utterly pulversized with minimal damage to surrounding stuctures. This would have the effect of limiting incidental casualties (with the possible exception of those inside the traget structure).
 
DeeJayH said:
you do not get to start a war and than cry for a ceasefire when you get your ass kicked

Hamas started it, and Israel should slaughter as many as they can target
they should destroy every safe house, every HQ, every bomb making facility, every arms storage house, every tunnel, and to hell with how many 'innocent palestinians' are caught in teh crossfire
If the 'innocents do not want to be killed in the crossfire, maybe they should bring pressure to bear on Hamas and make them stop attacking Israeli civilians
every innocen life lost is tragic
but put the blame where it lies
Hamas started this
now they are getting the **** kicked out of them and now they want Israel to surrender and talk about a ceasefire

where in teh **** did you learn such BS backwards ass thinking
they had a ceasefire
Hamas Broke the ceasefire
they are presently losing
they do not get to dictate the terms of a ceasefire nor terms to broker a ceasefire
that is not how war works
that is not how the world works
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Only if you do not take into consideration attrition done to Gaza.

Uh oh. Questions are starting to reach sheeples ears. Hit the panick button. YouTube - Israel Violating International Law & the Media Cover-up Part 1
 
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Laila said:
You mean like when Hamas said it may accept a brokered ceasefire? Like that sort of negotiating that is beyond Hamas you mean?
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You haven't answered the question; typical. How is it that talking to these people results in anything other than more attacks? After 60 years where has TALK, bribes and appeasement gotten anyone?

Laila said:
Why do Conservatives throw the word 'liberal' in an arguement? What a wonderful way to win a arguement :/
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First, your political affiliation states you are Liberal. Why is it that someone who is a self proclaimed Liberal finds it insulting to be called a Liberal?

Secondly, Liberals are part of a political philosophy who still believe one can appease despots dictators and terrorists; yet cannot point to ONE single instance where TALK has ever worked; so back to the question you continue to AVOID, what is YOUR plan that will achieve the elusive success to make peace between these terrorist factions and Israel? Do you have some new secret formula that will work better than the FAILED policies over the last 60 years?

Laila said:
This method has been used numerous times by Israel and the results of them are loud and clear. WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS RAID ANY DIFFERENT?

Violence creates more violence, not stability, especially in one of the most volatile regions of this world in the most complex conflict!
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Bribes, appeasement and TALK has been used for 60 years; what peace has it achieved? We have bribed Palestinians with BILLIONS of dollars to BUY peace; when has it ever worked?

You continue with the NAIVE and FAILED notion that appeasement and TALK will somehow provide a miraculous cure for the ignorance, hate and murder that is the primary makeup of Hezbollah and Hammas; how profound.

I look forward to seeing your cure-all for the efforts made over 60 years to bribe, TALK and APPEASE these murderers and has resulted in NOTHING more than more of the same. It reminds me of that old saying; if you keep doing what you always have done with the SAME result, but are expecting a different one, you just might be naive.

Let me ask you a much simpler question; do you honestly believe that Hammas or Hezbollah desire peace with Israel?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Only if you do not take into consideration attrition done to Gaza.
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In order to understand the attrition done to Gaza, one must first recognize that Hammas is the one that brought this attrition about.

One can only support terrorism by wallowing in profound denial about their history.

Does ANYONE who sympathizes with the Palestinian plight honestly believe that Hammas or Hezbollah REALLY want peace?
 
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