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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Laila said:
No.
Somaliland will not and should never react by killing people if rockets fell on Somaliland.

I don't care how many rockets, you do not react by dropping bombs on them to stop it. Somaliland should stop it but not by the same means.
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Ok, let me get this straight. If your country was under continious attack from an outside source for a protracted period of time you would not do whatever it takes to stop those attacks?

What if the intent of said attacks was complete genocide of your people, and that genocide was underway would you still not fight back with military force?
 
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In a setback for an embattled Hamas terrorist regime in the Gaza Strip, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak declared that he would not fully reopen the Rafah Crossing unless the Palestinian Authority were in control of the Gaza Strip. The Jerusalem Post reported:

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said Tuesday that his government will not fully open its crossing into the Gaza Strip unless Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority is in control of the border post.

The speech Tuesday from Mubarak came despite criticism of Egypt in the Arab world over its refusal over the past year to open the Rafah crossing, which has helped complete an Israeli blockade of the territory.

Finally, should Egypt yield and fully open the Rafah Crossing, such a development could animate the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement in Egypt and lead to increased cross-border arms smuggling and other terrorist activity. Hence, it is likely that Egypt is not only maintaining its restrictions in support of what it feels is the legitimate Palestinian government, but also as a means toward maintaining political stability against radical movements.
 
Laila said:
You show you are above them.
You remove its support base. A terrorist group never gets where it is without a reason for it being there.
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Would you remove its support base using blockades?
 
Moderator's Warning:
Goobieman..stop the accusations or there will be further consequences. And bub and IT...move on and get back to the topic.
 
JMak said:
Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

But you are aware that the arab states in the ME have waged open war against Israel, right?

And that they continue to wage via proxy now, right? Or are Hamas and Hezbollah simply independent socio-economic organizations funded by NGO's?
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Not sarcasm. Hezbollah definitely has become a proxy but I believe it began as a resistance group during the occupation of south Lebanon. The Hamas, in Gaza, have been cut off from significant support for a while now as can be seen by their pitiful resistance.
 
Fear and Resolve as Rockets Head North into Israel

Published: December 30, 2008

More than 370 Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli assault so far, including at least 70 civilians. The militants have responded with increasingly advanced rockets that reach farther into the country with each passing day.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/31/world/middleeast/31israel.html?ref=world
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Women and children are obviously civilian but with no Hamas uniforms or with only irregular uniforms (maybe a camouflage jacket or some such item of clothing perhaps) how can they tell who is a member of the military and who is a civilian?
 
bhkad said:
Women and children are obviously civilian but with no Hamas uniforms or with only irregular uniforms (maybe a camouflage jacket or some such item of clothing perhaps) how can they tell who is a member of the military and who is a civilian?
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A good question, also I would have to say a 300:70 ratio is pretty damn good for long range weaponry.
 
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LOL! Wow, I cannot understand why the Israeli navy would pull out the stops to keep an unauthorized, uninspected vessel that won't respond to radio contact from breaking a blockade in the middle of a shooting war! Geez, it's not like it could have been bringing, you know, weapons and explosives to Hamas.

Unheard of!
 
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bub said:
It's quite sad to have to label those you disagree with
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Label?

You do tend to support the Palestinian side of the story without exception.

This does make it seem that you have some inherant dislike for jews

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dirtpoorchris said:
First they strike Liberty... Then there goes Dignity.


Isreal rams independant aide boat.

Infoshop News - Israeli Navy attacks Gaza relief ship in international waters
::..Free Gaza..::



Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
YouTube - Aid Boat Damaged by Israeli naval vessel docks in Lebanon
YouTube - Aid Ship almost sank by Israeli Vessel
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When a Navy vessel orders that aid ship to identify itself and that ship refuses ... it becomes a valid target.

For all you know those ships may have contained machine guns, bombs, or other such items.
 
Laila said:
Then show that too.

Pretty much just US.
I have no issues with EU, I'd much rather US influence continues to go down within the ME and EU goes up.
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This is an attitude I would expect from you.

You dislike the US becuase they support Israel. This is just down right nasty not-niceness.

Shame on you.

The US isn't going to lose its influence so don't hold your breath.
 
Were is are lovely pacifist friend Laila? Could she be out protesting, Maybe throwing rocks at the police? Or a molotov cocktail at the Israeli embasy. I can just picture her out there now burning an Israeli flag.
Look there she is godblesshitler.jpg

Just kidding with you Laila. I know you would never wish harm on anyone. I respect you for sticking to your peaceful pacifist ways. As-Salamu Alaykum my friend.
 
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Vader said:
Label?

You do tend to support the Palestinian side of the story without exception.

This does make it seem that you have some inherant dislike for jews

:shock:
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Moderator's Warning:
Knock off these kinds of accusations, Vader.
 
Just an observation. I am on the pro-Israeli side of the coin. No question about it. Unfortunately, what I am seeing from some of those that are on my side of this debate, disgusts me. Accusing those that disagree with you of being anti-semites, believing in Jewish consipiracies, being terrorist sympathizers, and generally accusing those who do not attack the Palestinians, whole-heartedly, as believing that Israel should not exist or something similar, is what I am seeing. Not only is it inaccurate, but it is POOR DEBATING. You are arguing against positions that are not being presented just to attack your opponent. IT'S WEAK, and quite obviously so. And I, for one, am getting tired of seeing it. I support Israel's position on this; they are right and the Palestinians need to take responsibility so this situation can get better. But I will not sit by and watch people like bub and Laila get attacked for disagreeing when all of the accusations that some of you are throwing at them ARE COMPLETELY INACCURATE. Now, I have been around for 3 years and have dispatched plenty of anti-semites that have infested DP at one time or another. If I saw one here, you can be sure I would eliminate them. Doesn't exist. So, before I start humiliating those of you who are debating weakly by making misrepresentative accusations and calling out your names...STOP BEHAVING FOOLISHLY. There is enough of a topic here to win the debate. Making inaccurate accusations hurts your position...which in turn, hurts mine. And that is not something I take lightly.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Just an observation. I am on the pro-Israeli side of the coin. No question about it. Unfortunately, what I am seeing from some of those that are on my side of this debate, disgusts me. Accusing those that disagree with you of being anti-semites, believing in Jewish consipiracies, being terrorist sympathizers, and generally accusing those who do not attack the Palestinians, whole-heartedly, as being Israel should not exist or something similar, is what I am seeing. Not only is it inaccurate, but it is POOR DEBATING. You are arguing against positions that are not being presented just to attack your opponent. IT'S WEAK, and quite obviously so. And I, for one, am getting tired of seeing it. I support Israel's position on this; they are right and the Palestinians need to take responsibility to so this situation can get better. But I will not sit by and watch people like bub and Laila get attacked for disagreeing when all of the accusations that some of you are throwing at them ARE COMPLETELY INACCURATE. Now, I have been around for 3 years and have dispatched plenty of anti-semites that have infested DP at one time or another. If I saw one here, you can be sure I would eliminate them. Doesn't exist. So, before I start humiliating those of you who are debating weakly by making misrepresentative accusations and calling out your names...STOP BEHAVING FOOLISHLY. There is enough of a topic here to win the debate. Making inaccurate accusations hurts your position...which in turn, hurts mine. And that is not something I take lightly.
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I am pro-Palestinian and agree with you. A lot of what I see here is an anti-Palestinian/Arab positions rather than a pro-Israel positions. This may work in an American site but surely does not register in other regions and it does not help the Israeli position for sure. I do find that those who have direct interest in this conflict have mostly balanced/realistic positions and are open to debate those positions.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Just an observation. I am on the pro-Israeli side of the coin. No question about it. Unfortunately, what I am seeing from some of those that are on my side of this debate, disgusts me. Accusing those that disagree with you of being anti-semites, believing in Jewish consipiracies, being terrorist sympathizers, and generally accusing those who do not attack the Palestinians, whole-heartedly, as believing that Israel should not exist or something similar, is what I am seeing. Not only is it inaccurate, but it is POOR DEBATING. You are arguing against positions that are not being presented just to attack your opponent. IT'S WEAK, and quite obviously so. And I, for one, am getting tired of seeing it. I support Israel's position on this; they are right and the Palestinians need to take responsibility so this situation can get better. But I will not sit by and watch people like bub and Laila get attacked for disagreeing when all of the accusations that some of you are throwing at them ARE COMPLETELY INACCURATE. Now, I have been around for 3 years and have dispatched plenty of anti-semites that have infested DP at one time or another. If I saw one here, you can be sure I would eliminate them. Doesn't exist. So, before I start humiliating those of you who are debating weakly by making misrepresentative accusations and calling out your names...STOP BEHAVING FOOLISHLY. There is enough of a topic here to win the debate. Making inaccurate accusations hurts your position...which in turn, hurts mine. And that is not something I take lightly.
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Welcome to debatepolitics.com, at least as I've seen it since I joined.
 
bub said:
First you say that Hamas doesn't wants truces, then when I show you that you are wrong, "uhUHuh it's because they are kicked uuhuHUHhu"
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All they had to do was stop the rocket attacks. They didn't.

If you had read the articles you'd have seen that they wanted the truce before the Israeli raids
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See above.

especially because she doesn't support Israel
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Once again, only the UNSC and ICJ have legal standing here.

If you had read the article you'd have seen that it has sources, references. Anyway you have already failed: you said that there was no proportionality in international law, I've showed you that you were wrong.
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When it comes to exercise of Article 51 rights, there is no need for proportionality. They simply have the right to do what is needed to get the job done. GO ISRAEL!
 
bub said:
If you had read the article you would have seen that it was UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

If you think that the UN Secretary-General or that the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights are irrelevant when talking about the UN...then I don't think it's necessary to answer again
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Once again, the only bodies with legal standing in this case would be the UNSC or the ICJ. And Gaza has no right to file suit in the ICJ.

It's sure that the country that has been unable to bring peace with its neighbors for 60 years has much more credibility than the EU...
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Kind of hard to bring peace with your neighbors when your neighbors goal is your destruction.

You fail again: you said that the UN or the EU do not bring solutions. I showed you they tried to do so, but that Israel doesn't listen to them and doesn't apply them. On the contrary, Israel is taking revenge again and again, that's why they are failing in bringing peace for so many years.
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I have said that they don't bring VIABLE solutions. Please check up on your reading.
 
shiznit770 said:
They should have found a solution which involved a geographic unification of Palestine. Hamas brutally took power in Gaza and they are completely shut off from the West Bank.
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How do you geographically unite Palestine without dividing Israel?
 
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