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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

lynnb said:
Israel has tried it's best not to take any vengence of palestinian citizens. Our prime minister and Our secretary of defence have made it clear that this operation is not intending to harm any innocent palestinians.

Just today Israel passed some aid to the Gaza Strip. Israel is trying it's best to protect the palestinian civillians, but with Hamas ruling over the Gaza Strip, they make it hade on us to support the civillians.

Noow let me ask something else: why doesn't the UN, France, Russia and every other country or organization calling for an immediate ceasefire help by sanding some humanitarian aid to help the citizens? where is your government in this situation???
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Haven't you been following our economic situation? My government can't afford a bowl of rice. But we do provide aid.........military aid to Israel. $4 billion a year. But that's nothing new. The US is the biggest arms dealer in the world. It's our main export. I wish we would give aid to the Palestinian's. It's not right for us to withhold aid just because Gaza elected someone we have issues with. Hamas is the legally democratic government in Gaza and there is nothing anyone should do in that respect to destabilize their authority. It is not our place to decide who leads who. Every citizen of every country has a right to self-determination. Hamas, in return, needs to stop these rockets at all costs and recognize Israel's right to exist and live in peace. Israel is not going away (as a nation/state) and there is no point in discussing their demise.
 
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These Qussam rockets look like beefed up model rockets. I wonder what the payload/dammage is.

Warning: This clip contains really annoying music.
YouTube - Qassam Rocket Nasheed
 
moe said:
So rather than ethnic cleansing via Military force we do it through political means? We just all gather at the UN and decide ok the nation of Israel no longer exists and poof it is gone? Problem solved??

And then we should perhaps do like some Indians tribes in America used to do. When a person of the tribe was seen as no longer beneficial to the tribe they just pretended that person does not exist.

You could not not talk to them or acknowledge their existence in way shape or form. If they spoke to you, you pretended like nothing was there. Is this what you are saying that we should do with Israel?

We politically decide that they are stateless and if they refuse to leave Palestine we just pretend that they do not exist and let the Muslims move in and do what they wish with these non existent people?
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I do not understand what is it that you are saying here and not sure it is relevant to what I wrote. I said Ethnic cleansing does not work regardless how it is done. Killing does not work too and this goes for both sides. Bombing Buildings, universities and Police stations is not going to distroy Hamas or have the people abandon them. To the contrary, it will increase their support world wide and diminish Abbas authority in the west bank.

If you are not aware, there are Palestinians who are Christains. They numbered about 20% in 1948. They completely share the desire to be free and the desire to self determination with their Muslim country people and their suffering is the same as the muslims.

The issue for the the majority of the Palestinians is the LAND. People (with agendas) can spin it any way they want and repeat propaganda they hear, but that is not going to change the fact that this dispute is about Land ownership from the Paleestinian side.They would have done the same thing had Argentina occupied Palestine. Even Hamas in its charter labels the dispute as being based on Land.

moe said:
You are aware that the Muslim definition of Palestine means every square inch of soil that Israel exists on today right? Not just certain areas. To them ALL of Israel is on Palestinian soil.
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Yes, that is historical Palestine, but the Majority of the Palestinians have accepted the 22% of it that is known as the west bank and Gaza. Does a Palestinian refugee who lives in Lebanon want to go back to his land that he was expelled from in 1948? You bet he does. Will he be able to do it? No.


moe said:
That is why no matter how much land Israel has given in the past the Muslims demand more. The objective is not to get part of it but to get all of it. Even if the state of Israel consisted of just one city block to the Militant Arabs that is one block to big.

Moe
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This arguement that the Palestinians would not accept but the whole thing is often used to justify Israel keeping the whole thing. It shows deep inside that those who argue this logic IMO believe that Israel existed on other people land therefore they assume that the Palis will not accept but the whole thing. You know things change and people adopt.

Israel has not effectively given any Palestinian Land back. They only withdraw from inside Gaza because the cost of staying inside was too high, it was purely for self interest and it was done from one side, Sharon even refused to negotiate with the PA on how to hand it back, the only thing he negotiated was the amount of money that he got from the US in order to vacate the settlements. Israel maintained its authority over the air and the sea. There are over 450 road blocks in the west bank, i think you know palestinians in the west bank do not fire rockets into civilian areas, yet Israel maintains the road blocks.
 
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Billo_Really said:
Haven't you been following our economic situation? My government can't afford a bowl of rice. But we do provide aid.........military aid to Israel. $4 billion a year. But that's nothing new. The US is the biggest arms dealer in the world. It's our main export. I wish we would give aid to the Palestinian's. It's not right for us to withhold aid just because Gaza elected someone we have issues with. Hamas is the legally democratic government in Gaza and there is nothing anyone should do in that respect to destabilize their authority. It is not our place to decide who leads who. Every citizen of every country has a right to self-determination. Hamas, in return, needs to stop these rockets at all costs and recognize Israel's right to exist and live in peace. Israel is not going away (as a nation/state) and there is no point in discussing their demise.
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The USA is one of the main supporters of the IDF. Every one in Israel knows that and thanks your country for that.
I am not referring only to the USA. I am referring to allgovernments criticizing Israel. In fact I am not refering to the USA at all, as it showed support in Israel's efforts to protect itself. I was refering to every country calling for a ceasefire and negociation, when all they do is sit and talk, without offering any real help much needed on both sides.

I do not know if you are aware of that but Hamas turned to norway in request to help them reach a settlement with Israel. Im guessing you know what they told Hamas.

That's right: NO.
 
lynnb said:
The USA is one of the main supporters of the IDF. Every one in Israel knows that and thanks your country for that.
I am not referring only to the USA. I am referring to all governments criticizing Israel. In fact I am not refering to the USA at all, as it's leaders and some of the USA's population showed support in Israel's efforts to protect itself. I was refering to every country calling for a ceasefire and negociation, when all they do is sit and talk, without offering any real help much needed on both sides.

I do not know if you are aware of that but Hamas turned to norway in request to help them reach a settlement with Israel. Im guessing you know what they told Hamas.

That's right: NO.
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:) Sorry. Just making a point. As America is very divided on this issue.
 
lynnb said:
The USA is one of the main supporters of the IDF. Every one in Israel knows that and thanks your country for that.
I am not referring only to the USA. I am referring to allgovernments criticizing Israel. In fact I am not refering to the USA at all, as it showed support in Israel's efforts to protect itself. I was refering to every country calling for a ceasefire and negociation, when all they do is sit and talk, without offering any real help much needed on both sides.

I do not know if you are aware of that but Hamas turned to norway in request to help them reach a settlement with Israel. Im guessing you know what they told Hamas.

That's right: NO.
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Syria said yes.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
These Qussam rockets look like beefed up model rockets. I wonder what the payload/dammage is.

Warning: This clip contains really annoying music.
YouTube - Qassam Rocket Nasheed
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The damage in Israel from these rockets is like that:

only this morning, A mn in Ashkelon was killed from one of hese rockets. the city of Ashkelon has absorbed more than 60 rockets only today.

A man in Ofakin was also killed from a rocket. he died from the little particles flying from the rocket after the impact.

A short time after, a woman was killed also from the rockets. she was driving when the siren went off, parked her car and laid on the ground 5 meters from the place of impact. She was wounded in a critical state, and hen she died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.

also more tham 30 people were injured.

this is the impact of these rockets. This is the price Israelis pay everyday.
these are also the things the international media fails to report properly.
 
Billo_Really said:
Syria said yes.
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Let me remind you that Syria is a hostile country to Israel. there is not peace between Syria and Israel and therefore the Israeli government can't use them as a "middleman" in this situation.
 
lynnb said:
Let me remind you that Syria is a hostile country to Israel. there is not peace between Syria and Israel and therefore the Israeli government can't use them as a "middleman" in this situation.
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Better watch out then. If Barak doesn't save Americas image from the world what is Israel going to do if America's global power is reduced? Are they just going to blow everyone up?
 
lynnb said:
Let me remind you that Syria is a hostile country to Israel. there is not peace between Syria and Israel and therefore the Israeli government can't use them as a "middleman" in this situation.
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I was being facetious.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
:) Sorry. Just making a point. As America is very divided on this issue.
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america is divided on every issue :)

but israel is too. there's an old saying that between two jewishmen you can find three opinions. :2razz:
 
lynnb said:
america is divided on every issue :)

but israel is too. there's an old saying that between two jewishmen you can find three opinions. :2razz:
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In one derranged dirtpoorchris you can find 6. All argueing against eachother. :D Maybe its because I got a lil' jew in me. Along with Russian, German, Native-American, Mexican, and who knows what else.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Better watch out then. If Barak doesn't save Americas image from the world what is Israel going to do if America's global power is reduced? Are they just going to blow everyone up?
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Be nice!

Lynnb sounds like a good girl.

Or at least not as war-hawky as Tashah
(although she is, and has always been, a class act).
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
:) Sorry. Just making a point. As America is very divided on this issue.
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Americans are not very divided. Americans have overwhelmingly expressed support for Israel in repeated opinion polls.

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Billo_Really said:
This is a result of Israeli brutality and restriction of basic services in violation of IHL.
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Liberal rhetoric.

The walls, barracades, and checkpoints wouldn't have been needed if the Palestinians would control Hamas.

Stop sugar coating the fact that Hamas brought this on themselves.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Better watch out then. If Barak doesn't save Americas image from the world what is Israel going to do if America's global power is reduced? Are they just going to blow everyone up?
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Oh yes! we intend to do that as soon as Barak steps in office. thatn we shall rule the world!!!

meh im just mesing. do not worry, If Israel intends on bombing anyone up, I doubt the USA will be at the top of that list.
 
Billo_Really said:
Get out of the OPT!
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Israel withdrew completely from the Gaza Strip in August 2005. Final boundaries between Israel and a Palestinian state would be determined in a negotiating process.

Hamas, of course, rejects negotiations and compromise.
 
donsutherland1 said:
Americans are not very divided. Americans have overwhelmingly expressed support for Israel in repeated opinion polls.

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Even I support Israel. As much as I criticize (and oppose) their "occupation", they are the biggest US ally in the ME and will remain that way..........unless they attack the USS Liberty again.
 
Billo_Really said:
As much as I criticize (and oppose) their "occupation", they are the biggest US ally in the ME and will remain that way..........unless they attack the USS Liberty again.
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The attack was a tragic accident. Hence, the relationship remained strong afterward.
 
donsutherland1 said:
Israel withdrew completely from the Gaza Strip in August 2005. Final boundaries between Israel and a Palestinian state would be determined in a negotiating process.

Hamas, of course, rejects negotiations and compromise.
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Are you referring to these?



Because if you are, I couldn't disagree more.

Do you realize the havoc that Berlin wall is having on the daily lives of Palestinian's?
 
donsutherland1 said:
Americans are not very divided. Americans have overwhelmingly expressed support for Israel in repeated opinion polls.

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Take a poll a week on the same thing starting now. Most of Digg.com seem to be on Palastiens side or think its both.
 
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