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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

And because of the transgressions of Europe, those people have no rights today? I don't think you even believe that argument.

I believe that the existence of Israel is a fact that everyone has to accept. Debating it's history and founding is pointless. Personally I think it should not exist and should never have existed.

But that's not particularly useful for this debate.
 
I believe that the existence of Israel is a fact that everyone has to accept. Debating it's history and founding is pointless. Personally I think it should not exist and should never have existed.

But that's not particularly useful for this debate.

Okay bit since it does and it has been proliferated...what do you propose we do that would

A) help insure its continued existence

and

B) insure that it doesn't have to use its nukes to insure its own existence?
 
You can respect Israel's existence without completely pandering to them. The Arabs think that we only care about Israel and will never treat them fairly with regards towards their issues with Israel. I honestly have to agree.
 
You can respect Israel's existence without completely pandering to them. The Arabs think that we only care about Israel and will never treat them fairly with regards towards their issues with Israel. I honestly have to agree.

Well as long as you've Ahmedeni****tardihami calling for Israel's annihilation openly, I guess you can expect that we're going to be likely to take a firm stance on Israel's side.

As long as you've got Paleswine throwing rockets into Israel, yes, we are going to come down firmly on the side of Israel. This is my whole point...Islamotards are causing us to have to side with Israel.
 
You're assuming I have to take Israel's side just because the other side is worse. We can actually condemn both parties, and to different degrees.

And I hardly think Palestinians would be suicide bombing Israel's if we'd sell them some cruise missiles to use instead. Or give them cruise missiles, which we often do as well.
 
You're assuming I have to take Israel's side just because the other side is worse. We can actually condemn both parties, and to different degrees.

And I hardly think Palestinians would be suicide bombing Israel's if we'd sell them some cruise missiles to use instead. Or give them cruise missiles, which we often do as well.

Why would we do that when Israel is our ally? What has Paleswine done for the US except attack our known ally?
 
What you're using is circular logic, "we support Israel because they're our ally, and they're our ally because we support them."

Of course the Arabs hate us, we support their enemy. Again you're assuming that Israel being our ally and the Arabs being our enemy is inevitable.

How Western do you really think Israel is? It's more or less a a theocratic police state. It's officially a rabbinate, and its internal security is given powers that any Western country would find horrifying. It's also unbelievably corrupt (the last three Israeli Prime Ministers have been the focus of corruption allegations). A moderate Israeli PM (Yitzhak Rabin) was assassinated by a ultra-orthodox Jewish religious fanatic. State fundamentalism, police state powers, endemic corruption and internal religious terrorism sounds like an Arab state to me.

Yes, they're more like us then the Arabs are, but they're hardly a society I feel comfortable with.

And I believe that Israelis only view the US as a tool to use for their own political purposes. I don't think they respect our political system or genuinely care about our political interests.
 
Israel is continuing with the attacks. They are prepareing for a ground invasion. Its time for war, and in my opinion they should show no mercy. Hamas dosn't where uniforms so Israel should kill every man. Drive the rest out of the West Bank and Gaza and claim the land for Israel. Let the Jordanians return the land that belongs to the Palestinians. Hamas is not going to stop with the rockets so Israel has no other choice but to kill them. So be done with it.
 
What you're using is circular logic, "we support Israel because they're our ally, and they're our ally because we support them."

Actually, I was using that argument in regards to why we don't support Palestine. Israel is our ally. Palestine has made it clear that they are Israel's enemy. Thus, we don't support the enemy of our ally.

And yes, it is inevitable that we would be allied with Israel. We had a hand in its creation. That means we have some responsibility for its well-being.
 
What you're using is circular logic, "we support Israel because they're our ally, and they're our ally because we support them."

Of course the Arabs hate us, we support their enemy. Again you're assuming that Israel being our ally and the Arabs being our enemy is inevitable.

They hate us cause we aren't muslim.
 
Israel is continuing with the attacks. They are prepareing for a ground invasion. Its time for war, and in my opinion they should show no mercy. Hamas dosn't where uniforms so Israel should kill every man. Drive the rest out of the West Bank and Gaza and claim the land for Israel. Let the Jordanians return the land that belongs to the Palestinians. Hamas is not going to stop with the rockets so Israel has no other choice but to kill them. So be done with it.

I think a more appropriate response would be to drive Palestinian land back far enough that rocket launches can no longer reach Israel and declare the interim space a no man's land where intrusion can be met with a "shot on sight" approach. When Palestine proves they are willing to honor a cease fire (proven with an ousting of Hamas by Palestinians), the land can be handed back over and we can try all this again.
 
It's okay, it's part of the culture, we need to understand that and adapt see.

That is not even worth a response.
I pity the fact your ignorance and predjudices have clouded your views.

Tell me, is part of the reason you are supporting the attack is because it is killing Muslims? Or is that just a bonus?

Oh and im not making things up, its what i picked up from your posts
 
That is not even worth a response.
I pity the fact your ignorance and predjudices have clouded your views.

Tell me, is part of the reason you are supporting the attack is because it is killing Muslims? Or is that just a bonus?

Oh and im not making things up, its what i picked up from your posts

Just a bonus.
 
I believe the topic was about riots not civilized. So read back and get that straight.

Secondly, i was at the protest and its a case of the Media taking it over the top. A few barriers broke and a few people arrested. That happens in every UK protest. Get over it.
so now civilized muslims can not help but resort to violence at an embassy
while i am not surprised the media might blow this story out of proportion
I am even less surprised that not only were you there, but that you would marginalize it
just like you try to do with the Pal's :roll:
 
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Who is 'us'?
Who is 'They' at that matter?

Anyone that ain't Muslim, has two choices, convert... or die.

You think this is all about "Israel" or who the west supports? Please.
 
Not really, i have been a member of Stop the war since Iraq war. It was a Emergency Protest. Why shouldn't i practice my democratic rights?
 
That is not even worth a response.
I pity the fact your ignorance and predjudices have clouded your views.

Tell me, is part of the reason you are supporting the attack is because it is killing Muslims? Or is that just a bonus?

Oh and im not making things up, its what i picked up from your posts

It's killing scum bags whose world view is that Israel must be destroyed, and they do it from within civilian areas to ensure the cowards of the west cry foul on Israel when they retaliate.
 
It's killing scum bags whose world view is that Israel must be destroyed, and they do it from within civilian areas to ensure the cowards of the west cry foul on Israel when they retaliate.

.... So then bonus?
 
Anyone that ain't Muslim, has two choices, convert... or die.

You think this is all about "Israel" or who the west supports? Please.

Been watching FOX news have you?

Yes, and we are also going to be using Obama to overtake the United States.
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