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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

EU has more of a chance at being a honest broker in any peace agreement than US or UK will ever be.

A supporter of terrorists an honest broker? LOL With all of the anti-Semitism in Europe these days, no Jew will ever trust the EU as an honest broker.
 
And yet for all the lack of recognizing, it is Israel that holds the most blood on its hands.

8 years of rockets attacks, give or take 20 Israelis overall.
1 day - 240

Because Israel has greater firepower and Gaza is far more crowded than southern Israel is. Doesn't mean that it isn't Hamas who is responsible. You would love to see Israel do nothing and have Hamas rockets rain down on Southern Israel so Israelis live in terror, wouldn't you?
 
If they didn't hate us indirectly through Israel, they would hate us directly without Israel.

It's the nature of the Middle East. It has always been mired in violent and bloody conflict over something. As long as we need oil, we are going to have to deal with ME temper tantrums and barbaric, emotional radicalism that is as bountiful as the sand and camel **** you find there.

Why would they hate us? Would the Middle East be a wonderful flowering place of democracy without Israel? Of course not. Would it be OVERLY friendly to the West without Israel? Of course not. But if we can have open and if not friendly but diplomatic relations with places like China and Vietnam I see no reason we couldn't with the people of the Middle East. China's entire current generation of leaders was raised during the Cultural Revolution- if we can get along with people that developed their views in a environment that insane why not with the Arab muslims?

However Israel remains a potent symbol of the West's continued domination over the region. Their nuclear weapons are the most offensive.
 
Rightttt ...

It seems to me that more people only take this stance because Israeli casulties is so low.
'That is the outcome of war'
'This is what is to be expected'
'Palestinians asked for it'

Its only an "outcome of war" because its Arabs being killed.
I can stake my life on the fact that if 290 Israelis was dead, US would be erecting a ****ing statue in their honor and sending aid and condemnations.

Then Hamas shouldn't have started the %&&&%% war in the first place!
 
Why would they hate us? Would the Middle East be a wonderful flowering place of democracy without Israel? Of course not. Would it be OVERLY friendly to the West without Israel? Of course not. But if we can have open and if not friendly but diplomatic relations with places like China and Vietnam I see no reason we couldn't with the people of the Middle East. China's entire current generation of leaders was raised during the Cultural Revolution- if we can get along with people that developed their views in a environment that insane why not with the Arab muslims?

However Israel remains a potent symbol of the West's continued domination over the region. Their nuclear weapons are the most offensive.

Look at how they throw the Crusades in our face any time we mention issues going on today. Look at how they treat their own people, especially the women. Do you really think that without Israel to bitch about that they wouldn't turn their impotent fury on the rest of the world in a heart beat?

Hell, look at what they're doing to Europe right now. Rioting over cartoons for Pete's sake. It's culturally ingrained in them to be snots about anything and everything.
 
Do the civilians stop being civilians because of the circumstances out of their hands? No.

But when then are in military areas, whose fault is that - Israel for bombing the military targets or Hamas for bringing the military targets into civilian areas?
 
I don't blame the need for response.

I hate the scale of the response and the way it has responded. Those two lost it for me.

They have responded by targeting military targets. That those military targets are in civilians areas is the responsibility of Hamas, not the IDF.
 
Yeah they're barbaric retards, I know. I'm not a fan of Middle Eastern culture. This isn't about my love for the Arabs. Like I said earlier, Semitic tribes with delusions of grandeur.

It's about my love of the US. Even if their position towards the West would be exactly the same (a position I absolutely do not concede)- it'd be the same without the US flushing its money and international reputation down the toilet. And without our government being used for another nations interests. That's what I find just so inexcusable- the Israeli lobby's stranglehold over our foreign policy.
 
Yeah they're barbaric retards, I know. I'm not a fan of Middle Eastern culture. This isn't about my love for the Arabs. Like I said earlier, Semitic tribes with delusions of grandeur.

It's about my love of the US. Even if their position towards the West would be exactly the same (a position I absolutely do not concede)- it'd be the same without the US flushing its money and international reputation down the toilet. And without our government being used for another nations interests. That's what I find just so inexcusable- the Israeli lobby's stranglehold over our foreign policy.

What do you think our reputation would be if, after setting Israel up as a nation, we just let it get obliterated?
 
After Israeli airstrikes, Bush administration calls Hamas "thugs" - International Herald Tribune


Say it isn't so.
A country which attacked 2 countries, installed a torture camp and has been the bully is now calling another person a thug?
Those people need a good slap

I mean, who do the Bush Adminstration think they are kidding? Thugs indeed. Im still laughing at the cheek

Laila, you are reasonable on most issues, but on this one you are simply dead wrong. Hamas started this war. Israel has the legal and moral responsibility to protect its people. It is Hamas who chooses to hide their military and intrastructure assets amongst civilians. You can't blame Israel when civilians are collateral damage in assaults on military targets.

As for the "two countries" you are talking about, one of them was harboring terrorists who launched direct attacks on the United States and the other was guilty of violating more than a dozen UN Security Council resolutions where the use of force was authorized.

PLease get your facts straight before making such stupid comments.
 
As bad people.

What would our reputation be if we told the nations of the Middle East that we supported a completely nuclear-free Middle East- including Israel.

Instead of being seen as a pawn of a Jewish conspiracy by Arabs and a pawn of religious nuts by Europeans we'd be seen as a fair and balanced nation genuinely concerned with diplomacy and peace.
 
NCFY, you seem to believe that Islamic Radicals are reasonable in any fashion.. they ain't.
 
Well there are some militant jewish sects but they do stuff like squat in homes that the Israeli government has declared illegal settlements. LOL

Doesn't ring the same as the Palestinian protests where children are wearing mock (I hope) suicide belts and carry missiles with the names of Israeli cities on them.
 
Doesn't ring the same as the Palestinian protests where children are wearing mock (I hope) suicide belts and carry missiles with the names of Israeli cities on them.

I know. I was being a little sarcastic in that post.
 
Why would they hate us? Would the Middle East be a wonderful flowering place of democracy without Israel? Of course not. Would it be OVERLY friendly to the West without Israel? Of course not. But if we can have open and if not friendly but diplomatic relations with places like China and Vietnam I see no reason we couldn't with the people of the Middle East. China's entire current generation of leaders was raised during the Cultural Revolution- if we can get along with people that developed their views in a environment that insane why not with the Arab muslims?

However Israel remains a potent symbol of the West's continued domination over the region. Their nuclear weapons are the most offensive.

So, you would sacrifice the legitimate rights of the Israeli state in favor of letting the Arabs have their "stability" in their region? You know this would only encourage the Arabs to go for more, and more, and more until they are right on our doorsteps. You really are out of touch on this one.
 
As bad people.

What would our reputation be if we told the nations of the Middle East that we supported a completely nuclear-free Middle East- including Israel.

Instead of being seen as a pawn of a Jewish conspiracy by Arabs and a pawn of religious nuts by Europeans we'd be seen as a fair and balanced nation genuinely concerned with diplomacy and peace.

I think those nuclear weapons are the only thing that has insured Israel's existence up until now.
 
I know. I was being a little sarcastic in that post.

Of course. Needed in this one, to be frank. The unwillingness of some to ignore the heart of this issue and the legitimate rights of Israel is really frustrating. They say Israel shouldn't do this or shouldn't do that, but don't offer up any viable alternative course of action.
 
I think those nuclear weapons are the only thing that has insured Israel's existence up until now.

Really? Beating the crap out of the Arabs decisively, every time had nothing to do with it?

This should be the plan: the US will retaliate against any Middle Eastern power which launches a nuclear weapon. Any Middle Eastern power.

That way no one needs them.
 
they have no legitimate rights, their nation was created as an inheritor of European imperialism.

And because of the transgressions of Europe, those people have no rights today? I don't think you even believe that argument.
 
they have no legitimate rights, their nation was created as an inheritor of European imperialism.

You sound like a certain Iranian nutcase.

Have you ever heard of Article 51 of the UN CHarter? THAT is where their legitimate rights derive from in modern international law.
 
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