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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

That makes perfect sense! They are already dying at a rate of 3 Palastinians to 1 Israeli... More death for them makes perfect sense. How about instead Israel go bomb the water out of the ocean and make their own place to live instead of stealing it slowly and surely.

Maybe then there standing army wouldnt have to kill civilians and blame the civilian's rage on their own religion. While their own fanatical rabbis teach how we are just meant to be used if we arent of faith. (Only the fanatical ones I guess. There are good ones.)
It seems that the kill ratio will have to be increased then.

Israel would be better advised to bomb the land-- enemy land.

You see, I have chosen a side.
 
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The UN will do nothing. China has something called a Veto. NATO is already otherwise engaged. The experience of the US in Somalia is not one it wants to repeat, besides, it is a little tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Are you denying this?

If defending themselves equals more dead bodies of civilians?

What does Somalia have to do with Gaza?
Somalia are tearing themselves apart regardless with weapons from Arabs, why surprised about what happened to US?
 
Only?
1 dead civilian is too much :/

You don't get the point, do you? Hamas, the government of Gaza, has launched attacks against Israel. This is an act of war. Israel has every right to launch a full scale invasion of Gaza according to its Article 51 rights in the UN Charter. The fact that they are making a small scale, highly localized attack such as this IS the epitome of restraint.
 
You are showing sympathy for them right now. Or, at least you did earlier in the thread.

Do you deny Israel's Article 51 right to protect itself?

Sympathy for Hamas?

Im sure you can quote where i expressed support/sympathy for Hamas and not the civilians.
 
It seems that the kill ration will have to be increased then.

Israel would be better advised to bomb the land-- enemy land.

You see, I have chosen a side.

I for one am not taking arms to do anything. So label me however you chose. I chose to not label myself. I chose to voice my opinion in opposition to any death. You can fight against people with rockets, although. Next time your walking to the store go toe to toe with a fighter jet and see how that works out for you.
 
Does that logic not apply to every goddamn country in this world?

Did US not sacrifice its 'popularity' to ensure the security of their country? Would UK or EU not sacrifice it for security?

:roll:

Yet, you are implying that Israel should do exactly this.
 
They are really wiping them off the map with all those crude rockets arent they?

That's the kind of thinking that allowed OBL to continue attacking the USA throughout the 1990's and beyond until they FINALLY got it "right" on 9/11.

"The earlier attacks didn't really hurt us THAT badly," was the thought. So we responded to them proportionally.

Thinking like yours is what starts wars.
 
They are really wiping them off the map with all those crude rockets arent they?

So, Israel should just sit around and do nothing while rockets are raining down on southern Israel? You know, I am the head lector at my church and the prayer leader. I am going to write a prayer for this, and we will pray for the Palestinians in Gaza, at the same time we pray for the innocent Israelies who are under CONSTANT assault from the terrorists in Gaza.

Prayers aside, are you denying that Israel has an Article 51 right to protect itself?
 
If defending themselves equals more dead bodies of civilians?

What does Somalia have to do with Gaza?
Somalia are tearing themselves apart regardless with weapons from Arabs, why surprised about what happened to US?

THey are protecting themselves by trying to get at the infrastructure that supports what Hamas is doing.

Again, are you denying their Article 51 right to defend themselves. Funny how your side is ignoring this question.
 
Are you going to deny that Iran is hostile to Israel?

Oh yeah and Israel has been all hugs and kisses to Iran :roll:

Both countries have been hostile to one another
 
THey are protecting themselves by trying to get at the infrastructure that supports what Hamas is doing.

Again, are you denying their Article 51 right to defend themselves. Funny how your side is ignoring this question.

You keep quoting UN charter but ignore the countless other sanctions and charters that is issued against Israel.
 
It is a fact that Tehran supports Hamas and Hizzbollah financially, militarily, and with propagandistic rhetoric.

Ahmadinejad and his predecessor former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani have continualy called for the destruction of Israel and Israel is supposed to allow shipments from Iran to the Palestinians.

Ayatollah Mahould Hashemi Shahroudi has said that the destruction of Israel is imminent.

"World leaders should not think that the Iranian nation and other nations in the region will take off their hands off the throat of the Zionists and their supporters." ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"the creation of the Zionist regime, and the continuation of its existence... are an insult to human dignity." ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


The newly elected President of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says in October 2005
" Israel must be wiped off the map and Attacks by Palestinians will destroy it"
 
Sympathy for Hamas?

Im sure you can quote where i expressed support/sympathy for Hamas and not the civilians.

Ever hear the term: "War is hell?"

Hamas targets Israeli Citizens, civilians...

Israel fights back.. guess which gets slammed for hitting civilians?

Israel or Hamas?

Yeah, crazy world we live in. Who cares how many civilians Israel hits? No one seems to care how many Israeli civilians are hit.
 
You implied it earlier in the thread when you said "I know where my sympathies lie"

What was written above it?
Come on, i know you are not going to stoop that low.
 
I for one am not taking arms to do anything. So label me however you chose. I chose to not label myself. I chose to voice my opinion in opposition to any death. You can fight against people with rockets, although. Next time your walking to the store go toe to toe with a fighter jet and see how that works out for you.
Please understand that every moment of your Properly Pacifistic life is protected by people who were and are willing to take up arms to defend you.

Your freedoms and your rights were secured by the shedding of blood.

Understand that you accept these things but eschew the realities that were required to provide them, and allow you the leisure to express the philosophy of a serf.
 
So, Israel should just sit around and do nothing while rockets are raining down on southern Israel? You know, I am the head lector at my church and the prayer leader. I am going to write a prayer for this, and we will pray for the Palestinians in Gaza, at the same time we pray for the innocent Israelies who are under CONSTANT assault from the terrorists in Gaza.

Prayers aside, are you denying that Israel has an Article 51 right to protect itself?

Where do you live? I feel I must go to your church and denounce you. How dare you be for such rampant death and hold such a position. Im glad to hear of your prayers. But aggression of any sort is not ALLOWED. I suggest you find spirituality and not church.

Maybe you need to REALLY find Jesus.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
"Turn the other cheek"
 
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Ever hear the term: "War is hell?"

Hamas targets Israeli Citizens, civilians...

Israel fights back.. guess which gets slammed for hitting civilians?

Israel or Hamas?

Yeah, crazy world we live in. Who cares how many civilians Israel hits? No one seems to care how many Israeli civilians are hit.

guess who kills more civilians :roll::roll::roll::roll:
 
Yeah, crazy world we live in. Who cares how many civilians Israel hits? No one seems to care how many Israeli civilians are hit.

1 Israeli civilian reported dead last time i checked. Yes its horrible and i express sympathies to the parents but what about the Israeli Government on the 200+ Palestinians or even the Israel supporters on these forums?

Where is your condemnation for the blood being spilled?

I wonder, if it was 200 Israelis and 1 Palestinian how different your attitudes would be.
 
Please understand that every moment of your Properly Pacifistic life is protected by people who were and are willing to take up arms to defend you.

Your freedoms and your rights were secured by the shedding of blood.

Understand that you accept these things but eschew the realities that were required to provide them, and allow you the leisure to express the philosophy of a serf.
I ask you to never defend me. Physically at least. For in chains or even the face of death ill say what I want. Freedom is a choice.
 
guess who kills more civilians :roll::roll::roll::roll:

Good for them. Maybe that's a clue to Hamas to quit attacking Israel?

Oh wait, it's okay to kill Israeli's... just damned dirty Jews right?
 
Hamas! Isn't that obvious?
For someone who doesn't follow this on a day to day basis, no, it's not obvious.

Thanks for answering the ****ing question.

Next time, check your attitude at the door.

It was just a ****ing question!
 
You keep quoting UN charter but ignore the countless other sanctions and charters that is issued against Israel.

What "sanctions and charters" are you talking about? There have been resolutions, many of which have been followed by Israel but have been routinely violated by the Arabs. Article 51 is the basic law of the UN. That supercedes all else and considering that it was the victim of attacks, it has the right to defend itself. Of course, you will never bring yourself to admit that Article 51 is in play here as the UNSC has not done anything to ensure Israel's security in the face of constant terrorism.
 
L'opération «se poursuivra autant que cela sera nécessaire», a averti le ministre israélien de la Défense Ehud Barak. En réaction, le chef en exil du Hamas Khaled Mechaal a appelé à «une nouvelle intifada»

I think that sums 60 years of conflict in the middle-east:

"Military operations will continue as long as necessary", warns Ehud Barak.
Khaled Mechaal, chief of the Hamas, has answered by calls for a "new intifada".


Things that could be done:
- let them kill each other and stop talking about it, anyway that's going to last 5 or 6 more generations
or
- send blue helmets and disarm both the Hamas and the IDF
 
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