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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

independent_thinker2002 said:
You are probably right. It's irrelevant at this point who threw the first punch. Both sides are locked in a vicious cycle.



Yeah, me too. :)



It's a vicious cycle.



Sounds like American inner cities and gang violence, on a smaller scale, of course.



It seems that all Palestinians are paying the price for the extremists.

I know, they should police their own. See inner city gangs.



This is true.



I wouldn't say never. It would take something of biblical proportions to end it though. If it's as hopeless as you say, what is your solution? Kill all the Palestinians?



If Arabs wanted Jews dead, they would be. It's the extremists that do, luckily.



The first punch is irrelevant.



Kill 'em all?



You said earlier in this post that violence is never going to end. Let's say they kill all Arabs, what do you think would be the blowback from that?
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Man, you bring up some excellent points. And I can't find a one to argue with.

Kill all the Isrealites? Kill all the Arabs? Do I have a solution?

Man, I do good to just match my socks in the morning and get them on the right feet. I have no solution.

Maybe, and I hope I'm wrong, it's time to just let them duke it out once and for all. Last man standing, turn out the lights and lock the door.

I can see the US standing on the sideline keeping others out of the fight and providing Isreal with Gatorade in between rounds. A lot of people think we are protecting Isreal. I am sure, in many ways, that is true. But, on the other hand, we are also protecting Palestine. For if Isreal totally cut loose, no holds barred, on Palestine, Palestine would be decimated.

Then the other Arab nations will jump the rope and get into the ring. Then the US will have to intervene. Then Russia and China. Then Britian. Then Germany and France. No, wait. Forget about France. :roll:

I don't have a clue what to do over there. :shrug:
 
Yeah I have to agree there Cap. If Israel were to be "Cut loose" so to speak... Game over.

Remember the systematic bombings that happened when they had what.. 3 military personnel that were being held prisoner? Sheesh.

:blastem:
 
kitchen-lemon said:
Oh brilliant logic, by invading and bombing Palestinians they cleary work towards peace... That's the most stupid thing I've heard this month. Obviously you don't realize how many innocent Palestinians have lost their life or home because of that bombings... Or you just don't care?
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Thank you. It is a great month to be remembered by.

Look, just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't have feelings. I feel really bad that I don't care. :(

But...............................

I don't care. :mrgreen:
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Do you see the circular conundrum there?

You complain that they don't police their own so you remove the means for them to police their own.
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On the surface, I agree that doesn't make a whole lotta sense, does it?

But I think it's a little bit deeper than that. Perhaps they are clearing out the minefield before the attack. (Analogy being the Hama's Police being the minefield they would have to clear to get full access to the extremists.)

When Isreal goes after the extremists, door to door, you KNOW the Hama's police would be there waiting loaded for bear. Not now.

Never underestimate Israeli strategy. They can be the most cunning and ruthless people on the planet. Read the Old Testament. :shock:





*** Footnote - I have mispelled the word "Israel" my entire life. I'm working on correcting that. Please bear with me. :3oops:
 
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Iran to send aid cargo to the Gaza Strip

Iran will send its first ship carrying aid today to the Gaza Strip despite an Israeli naval blockade of the Hamas-controlled territory, state television reported.


Israel patrols the coastal waters around Gaza and accuses Iran, which refuses to recognise Israel's existence, of supplying Hamas Islamists with weapons. Tehran denies this, saying it only provides moral support to Hamas. Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip has been stepped up in recent weeks amid a surge of violence along its frontier with the Palestinian territory.


"Despite the Zionist regime's blockade ... the Iranian aid ship will leave on Saturday and will arrive in 12 days' time in Palestine," television reported.


It said 12 Iranian doctors and relief workers would be on board. "The cargo contains over 2,000 tonnes of food, medicine and appliances."
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Iran to send aid cargo to the Gaza Strip - Asia, World - The Independent
 
Looks like we might have another "Bay of Pigs" styled face-off.

Gonna be interesting to watch this play out.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Thats alot of food. Most people just send um gasoline and natural gas.. Almost as if for good logistic tactic.
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I get the feeling Iran is going to come off in a good light
 
Israel vows to keep up Gaza attacks :doh

Israeli airstrikes pounded Hamas-ruled Gaza on Saturday, killing at least 205 people, and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said the military aimed to inflict a "major blow" on militants in Gaza because of escalating rocket attacks against Israel.
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Yay, just what we need. Further attacks
 
Laila said:
Death toll rises to 200 with 101 hospitalized ... :S
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I'm thinkin' I might start a pool to see who can pick the closest number of casualties before the deadline of midnight, CST, Dec 31st.

What prize can we offer the winner?

The sad thing about it all, it's appears to be a proxy war between Iran and Isreal, being fought on Palestinian soil, with Palestinian blood.

Hama's is just an extension of Iran in many ways.

Hmm.... It's all starting to add up.

Time will tell.
 
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Captain America said:
I'm thinkin' I might start a pool to see who can pick the closest number of casualties before the deadline of midnight, CST, Dec 31st.

What prize can we offer the winner?
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Lol.
A trophy? Medal?

You want to start by picking a number?
 
Laila said:
Lol.
A trophy? Medal?

You want to start by picking a number?
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Sure. But I guess, first, we'll have to pick out a news source to refer to for the numbers.

Just casualties on the Palestinian side...... dead ones. Missing and injured don't count. Can't count a blown up body more than once.

We're already at 200? Hmmmmm <scratches chin> less than five days to go......

I'll go with 330 Bob!
 
Who shot first this time?
 
Isreal is never indiscrimante. It's not like their leaders are TRYING to make more terrorists or anything.


As long as they are hitting militairy targets right???? So target a militairy person... Then when civilians crowd around the target... Light it up again.
YouTube - Gaza: The Killing Zone - Israel/Palestine
YouTube - Palestine/Isreal - A MUST WATCH!!!
YouTube - Israel Palestine This Explains A Lot

Stop letting leaders draw lines in the damn sand already people.
Why the **** are we backing Isreal anyways man? Im not for backing either. But death like this going rampant. So close to the damn golden age. Its ****in sad man.
 
Wonder how many died in Darfur today?

Sorry.... wrong thread. :3oops:
 
As long as they keep doing things the way they are now,it will go on for an eternity.
The Palestine's have voted Hamas in as their political party of choice,so they should be happy with the way things are going,it's what they wanted.
Until the Israeli's decides to kick some serious butt this will be a never ending story.
 
PeteEU said:
Both sides are idiots and have people in power that do not want peace.

Israel keeps building illegal settlements and oppresses the native Palestinians on so many fronts..

Palestinian radicals retaliate by lob rockets that could not hit the broadside of a barn or suicide bombers or what not

Israel fires back killing hundreds in the most densely populated place on earth.

Palestinian radicals retaliate again

Israel retaliates..

the cycle of stupidity continues... only ones getting anything out of this are the people in power and the weapons manufactures.
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Try to understand. . . most have never wanted "peace" as modern
Americans think of it-- they want victory, and rightly so.

The idea of making "peace" with people who want you dead is foolishness-- suicidal foolishness. Such people are to beaten, militarily, economically, and in such a way socially that they know themselves to have been defeated utterly. Any other course perpetuates marginal warfare.

In this case we have Israel, a modern free state, and a bunch of socially backward and aggressive Islamic states that constantly threaten Israel while ignoring their own internal problems.

It is time for Israel and those who support advancing civilization to declare an end to their patience, and resort firmly to the most effective bringer of international peace in history, the verdict of war fought to conclusion.



What people of goodwill and intelligence need to do is pick a side, or recognize that they are incapable of moral judgments and keep silent.
 
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Oftencold said:
Try to understand. . . most have never wanted "peace" as modern
Americans think of it-- they want victory, and rightly so.

The idea of making "peace" with people who want you dead is foolishness-- suicidal foolishness. Such people are to beaten, militarily, economically, and in such a way socially that they know themselves to have been defeated utterly. Any other course perpetuates marginal warfare.

In this case we have Israel, a modern free state, and a bunch of socially backward and aggressive Islamic states that constantly threaten Israel while ignoring their own internal problems.

It is time for Israel and those who support advancing civilization to declare an end to their patience, and resort firmly to the most effective bringer of international peace in history, the verdict of war fought to conclusion.



What people of goodwill and intelligence need to do is pick a side, or recognize that they are incapable of moral judgments and keep silent.
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That makes perfect sense! They are already dying at a rate of 3 Palastinians to 1 Israeli... More death for them makes perfect sense. How about instead Israel go bomb the water out of the ocean and make their own place to live instead of stealing it slowly and surely.

Maybe then there standing army wouldnt have to kill civilians and blame the civilian's rage on their own religion. While their own fanatical rabbis teach how we are just meant to be used if we arent of faith. (Only the fanatical ones I guess. There are good ones.)

YouTube - Rabbi Against Israel (Zionism)
 
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That makes perfect sense! They are already dying at a rate of 3 Palastinians to 1 Israeli...
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Ya think that would get a clue, hey? :roll:
 
Oftencold said:
In this case we have Israel, a modern free state, and a bunch of socially backward and aggressive Islamic states that constantly threaten Israel while ignoring their own internal problems.

It is time for Israel and those who support advancing civilization to declare an end to their patience, and resort firmly to the most effective bringer of international peace in history, the verdict of war fought to conclusion.
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Ahh we get into the 'Israel is democratic and therefore all perfect and peace loving where on the other hand we have a non democratic entity which is agressive'

UK and US is democratic but have some blood filled history that is still going on.
Democracy means diddly squat to me when making a moral decision.

At least one good thing is coming from this, Arabs are united in condemnation. We all know how rare that
 
bub said:
I don't know. We'll see the ammount of civilian casualties in a few days. Unfortunately I think it will be quite high.

The European Union, the UN, Sarkozy, Moscow, London and Ankara have already condemned the raids (they asked both side to stop killing each other) while the USA have asked Israel not to kill civilians.
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Hard not to kill civilians when the terrorists are hiding amongst them.
 
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