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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Laila said:
Would Israelis be as hated if they actually didn't occupy territory that is not theirs? I doubt it.

This game can be played if you want it.
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How do you figure the territory isn't theirs? And I seem to recall Israel pulling out of large swaths of land just a couple of years ago and how were they repaid? With more rocket launches on civilian places.

So, would Palestine be in such dire straits if they actually upheld their treaties with Israel? I doubt it.

So yeah...let's keep playing if you want.
 
jallman said:
So yeah...let's keep playing if you want.
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As long as people support one side or the other, this game will continue being played
 
Laila said:
Speak for yourself.
I expected no less from the retarded President but i thought Brown would be more equal in the blame.

Well, 1 more strike against Brown
Not like i can stop Brown until next election
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Not nice calling a man with an Ivy League education "retarded". He and Brown happen to be right on this one. Sorry you can't recognize that. However, you have not denied that Hamas started this. You have not denied that they are wrong. You have not offerred a viable alternative to solve the problem. While this is not the ideal solution, it is the only viable one on the table at the present time with the EU not willing to do anything and the UNSC and its divisions among the P5 not willing to do anything constructive either.
 
ludahai said:
Not nice calling a man with an Ivy League education "retarded".
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Me and the rest of the world.

At least i have been consistent in my dislike of Bush.
I hated him when his approval rating was above 90% and i still hate him when his approval rating is under 20%
 
Laila said:
Hamas when it entered, was very different to how it is now before it was shunned by the I Community.

Seems a matter of suffering what was created.
Would Hamas be here if the Palestinians plight wasn't so bleak? I doubt it.
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What do you mean by they were different? They were a known terrorist organization and it was common knowledge that they were backed and funded by Iran and took their orders from Tehran. That is why they were shunned by the international community.

If Hamas and the rest of the terrorists orginazations were not here the Palestinians plight would not be so bleak in the first place.

Keeping Palestine bleak is a central part of their over all strategy. Peace in Palestine does not suit their purpose. In fact it would harm if not completely doom their primary objective of the abolishment of the state of Israel.

Hamas and orginazations like them do not give a furry fat rat about how many innocent Arabs or even care about any innocents period die. In fact the more the better because it suits their propaganda purposes.

Like Hezbollah in Lebanon giving aid to local muslims. All it is really is a psy ops tactic. See we care about you. We are your friends. Now stand around us while we fire this rocket at that Jewish school over there.

Moe
 
Both sides are as bad as each other. Both sides have blood on their hands and responsibility for this entire conflict.
 
Laila said:
Would Israelis be as hated if they actually didn't occupy territory that is not theirs? I doubt it.
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Yes. Everywhere they go they are hated. Even in ancient Rome there were Pogroms against the Jews. Emperor Claudius threw them out of their homes in Rome

Ac 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome:) and came unto them.

Never in the recorded history of man has so much effort and determination been spent on the persecution and extermination of an entire people as been has been spent on the Jews

Moe
 
moe said:
Never in the recorded history of man has so much effort and determination been spent on the persecution and extermination of an entire people as been has been spent on the Jews

Moe
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And yet it was Non Muslims who dealt the largest blow no?
 
Laila said:
Me and the rest of the world.

At least i have been consistent in my dislike of Bush.
I hated him when his approval rating was above 90% and i still hate him when his approval rating is under 20%
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I am not a big fan, but it isn't fair to call him retarded either.
 
In a development that reinforces Hamas' nature as a heartless terrorist group that cares little for the Gaza Strip's residents, Hamas is refusing to allow wounded persons to go to Egypt for treatment. Reuters reported:

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said on Sunday the Islamist group Hamas was not allowing Palestinians wounded in Israel's attacks on Gaza to cross into Egypt for treatment.

"We are waiting for the wounded Palestinians to cross. They are not being allowed to cross," he told reporters. Asked who was to blame, he said: "Ask the party in control on the ground in Gaza."
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Egypt: Hamas denying Gaza wounded treatment in Egypt | U.S. | Reuters

Of course, such a development is not surprising. Hamas has effectively used the Gaza's residents as human shields by placing its facilities and operatives in the midst of civilians. Hamas remains more concerned about its own survival and grip on power than the wellbeing of Gaza's residents.
 
Laila said:
And yet it was Non Muslims who dealt the largest blow no?
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Does that justify what Arabs are trying to do now? Actually, it was Turkish Muslims who showed incredible tolerance and acceptance toward the Jews, something that continues today. Why can't Arabs learn from their Turkish co-religionists?
 
Slainte said:
Attempting to blame either side for starting anything is a pointless endeavor that quickly results in another unnecessary recitation of the history of the conflict.

In regards to the current situation, Israel has enforced a strict military blockade on Gaza for over a year, this blockade, according to many Palestinian officials is bringing Gaza dangerously close to a humanitarian crisis. Hamas recently refused to renew a cease fire agreement it has had with Israel for the past 6 months due to Israeli refusal to loosen this blockade. The termination of the cease fire by Hamas spurred this massive new operation by Israel.

Maybe some of those so desperate to claim Israeli innocence in all this should note that the last time any Arab states declared a military blockade of Israel, Israel used it as a pre-text to rout 3 Arab armies and annex an area of land 3 times her own size!

Of course I’m sure Israel could claim her blockade was justified based on prior Palestinian actions, the Palestinians would however claim those actions were justified based on past Israeli actions and so on and so forth. Very quickly we’d be discussing 1967 or 1948.

The most important thing right now is for both sides to agree a new cease fire so that a humanitarian crisis in Gaza can be avoided and the people of Southern Israel can live in security.
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Great points Slainte. I agree that a cessation of hostilities is the proper course for now. Though with the coming election in Israel, it is unlikely that the Israeli government will stop the attacks and abandon the blockade. The chances of reelection of Kadima will increase as the hostilities continue. In addition to Palestinians in Gaza dieing, and increased support for Hamas, it is likely that Abbas and the PA will lose support from Palestinians in the West Bank.
 
SquareMelon said:
Great points Slainte. I agree that a cessation of hostilities is the proper course for now. Though with the coming election in Israel, it is unlikely that the Israeli government will stop the attacks and abandon the blockade. The chances of reelection of Kadima will increase as the hostilities continue. In addition to Palestinians in Gaza dieing, and increased support for Hamas, it is likely that Abbas and the PA will lose support from Palestinians in the West Bank.
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The elections in Israel have been postponed until this is settled. For some reason, you and others imagine that there is a chasm between the Israeli government and the Israeli people on this. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Israeli people demand that their government do whatever is necessary to stop the incessant Hamas attacks. On this, there is total unity.
 
ludahai said:
Does that justify what Arabs are trying to do now? Actually, it was Turkish Muslims who showed incredible tolerance and acceptance toward the Jews, something that continues today. Why can't Arabs learn from their Turkish co-religionists?
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I wonder if attempting to enter EU has anything to do with it.

Im merely stating a fact. Would you not agree with me.
 
moe said:
The Muslims are trying very hard to win the top spot.

Moe
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How we are meant to get the "top spot" is beyond me.
 
Laila said:
How we are meant to get the "top spot" is beyond me.
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I've said it it a few different ways but I will try it yet in another way.

Muslims will get on top by making more new voters than non-Muslims.

Procreating. Maternity. Birthrates. Increasing the numbers of progeny.

Tell me when you see what I'm getting at.
 
Laila said:
Both sides are as bad as each other. Both sides have blood on their hands and responsibility for this entire conflict.
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For the sake of the argument, let's say that is the case.

But who has the power to bring peace?

The Palestinians.

We all know that if the Palestinian government recognized and enforced Palestinians to respect the right of Israel to exist in peace ALL the violence against the Palestinians and Israelis would stop.

Saying that both are to blame is a cop out.

Talk to me about who has the power to bring about peace.
 
bhkad said:
I've said it it a few different ways but I will try it yet in another way.

Muslims will get on top by making more new voters than non-Muslims.

Procreating. Maternity. Birthrates. Increasing the numbers of progeny.

Tell me when you see what I'm getting at.
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So do you propose eugenics as a solution to this?
 
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