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Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

jujuman13

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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'
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"The issue is that the Arabs don't want the Jews here," she says, over cups of English tea.

She says it is immaterial how much land is offered as part of a potential peace deal; she cites the failure of the talks at Camp David at the end of the Clinton presidency.

The Arabs, she says, are not after a particular area of territory. "That's not what they want. They want us out."

And therein lies the rub, how can peace ever be established between Palestine and Israel?
 
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'
Quote from article:

"The issue is that the Arabs don't want the Jews here," she says, over cups of English tea.

She says it is immaterial how much land is offered as part of a potential peace deal; she cites the failure of the talks at Camp David at the end of the Clinton presidency.

The Arabs, she says, are not after a particular area of territory. "That's not what they want. They want us out."

And therein lies the rub, how can peace ever be established between Palestine and Israel?

While the Palestinians are being brainwashed by Hamas and its propaganda arm ... there will be no peace.

Hamas and its supporters, followers, and sympathizers need to be squashed.

Once the terrorist wing of Palestine is gone --- a generation free of islam-o-indoctrination can flourish. Then the disease of perverted Islam will begin to clear up.
 
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'
Quote from article:

"The issue is that the Arabs don't want the Jews here," she says, over cups of English tea.

She says it is immaterial how much land is offered as part of a potential peace deal; she cites the failure of the talks at Camp David at the end of the Clinton presidency.

The Arabs, she says, are not after a particular area of territory. "That's not what they want. They want us out."

And therein lies the rub, how can peace ever be established between Palestine and Israel?

P.S. Your post has NOTHING to do with the topic or the link. Why is that?
 
While the Palestinians are being brainwashed by Hamas and its propaganda arm ... there will be no peace.

Hamas and its supporters, followers, and sympathizers need to be squashed.

Once the terrorist wing of Palestine is gone --- a generation free of islam-o-indoctrination can flourish. Then the disease of perverted Islam will begin to clear up.

pure fantasy.
 
Both sides are terrorist States. The only reason why Israel has any clout is because of its U.S. support. Withdraw that support and let them duke it out. I could care less at this point. The region has devolved into savagery on both sides. Both sides are fraught with dishonest politicians who never keep their promises regarding peace, both sides are engaging in tactics that are illegal under international law (except no one can table a bill against Israel at the UN because the U.S. will veto it instantly), and both sides don't understand the meaning of compromise.

Why side with one party when they both hate each other dearly?
 
Quote from Vader (P.S. Your post has NOTHING to do with the topic or the link. Why is that?)

How strange, because I quoted from the article, at the link that I gave.
The paragraph I copied directly from that article.
May i respectfully suggest you divert your eyes from your a$$ and READ the article before you make silly comments.
 
Withdraw that support and let them duke it out

Thats unfair on Palestinians so EU and world should arm and train Palestinians and then let them duke it out.
 
Anyne bother to look to see who declared the settlements 'unlawful'?

Israeli settlements on occupied territory are seen as illegal by the rest of the world. But now an Israeli human rights group is saying that even under Israeli law, one of the most significant and well-established settlements is unlawful.

The human rights group B'tselem has published a report in which it states that almost 60% of the settlement of Ofra has been built on land which remains in private Palestinian ownership

Well HELL... if B'tselem says so, it MUST be so!!
 
Oh, and by the way...

Israeli settlements on occupied territory are seen as illegal by the rest of the world

If it illegal to keep and then 'occupy' land you won in wartime -- where are the cries to liberate East Prussia from its Polish occupiers?
 
Why side with one party when they both hate each other dearly?
Lets see...

One side is an open, liberal, Western democracy, and the other side wants to destroy that open, liberal, Western democracy because it has the audacity to exist.

Seems pretty clear to me.
 
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'
Quote from article:

"The issue is that the Arabs don't want the Jews here," she says, over cups of English tea.

She says it is immaterial how much land is offered as part of a potential peace deal; she cites the failure of the talks at Camp David at the end of the Clinton presidency.

The Arabs, she says, are not after a particular area of territory. "That's not what they want. They want us out."

Said by A "Civilized" British woman who moved to this land that belongs to others. An amazing application of the concept of "an open, liberal, Western democracy".

Judy Kramer moved here in 1990 from England, with her husband and five children.

She has seen the settlement grow hugely. And she believes that all this land belongs to the Jewish people.
 
All the Israeli settlements are unlawful.

There isn't a single country in the world that recognizes these settlements as Israeli territory. Including the Israeli Supreme Court.
 
Both sides are terrorist States.

I could not disagree more strongly. Israel, like any other sovereign state, has a right of self-defense. So long as it is being attacked by rockets, it has the same right enjoyed by every other sovereign state to defend itself against those responsible for the attacks on its civilian population e.g., Hamas. Self-defense is not the same thing as terrorism.
 
Both sides are terrorist States. The only reason why Israel has any clout is because of its U.S. support. Withdraw that support and let them duke it out. I could care less at this point. The region has devolved into savagery on both sides. Both sides are fraught with dishonest politicians who never keep their promises regarding peace, both sides are engaging in tactics that are illegal under international law (except no one can table a bill against Israel at the UN because the U.S. will veto it instantly), and both sides don't understand the meaning of compromise.

Why side with one party when they both hate each other dearly?

It is ironic that there are a flow of bills constantly against Israel made in the UN but nary a peep about Palestine, even when they engage in tactics and methods that are directly contrary to the very conventions which are created and enforced in the UN.

Israel on the other hand has made HUGE concessions in the past with land and property to the point of removing their own people at gunpoint. And yet you see no such concessions from the Palestine state other than cease fires (which aren't enforced). Instead of trying to make deals with Israel that would be profitable for their own people and economy they suicide bomb disco's. Even Palestine's neighbor states are fed up with their extremist crap. Its no secret why Egypt and Jordan closed their borders with actual 15ft metal and concrete barriers (which Hamas blew up) to Palestine when they feared that many would try to immigrate over.

Laila said:
Thats unfair on Palestinians so EU and world should arm and train Palestinians and then let them duke it out.

They've been getting weapons and training from Syria and Iran. Where do you think they got their ATGM's? Spirals, Kornets, and Fagots (its a russian name) are NOT cheap but were employed heavily during their last war.


But in all honesty guys I really don't think you want Israel to duke it out with Palestine no holds barred. Their last war was under some strict ROE's, had alot of UN white trucks trying to get in the way, and alot of western scrutiny. Let them start a "total war" campaign and Hamas won't be safe hiding in dense civilian areas anymore.
 
Oh, and by the way...



If it illegal to keep and then 'occupy' land you won in wartime -- where are the cries to liberate East Prussia from its Polish occupiers?

Because a treaty is required to transfer territory from one state to another. There was a treaty transferring East Prussia from Germany to Poland. There was no such treaty transferring Egyptian and Jordanian territory to Israel.
 
Lets see...

One side is an open, liberal, Western democracy, and the other side wants to destroy that open, liberal, Western democracy because it has the audacity to exist.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Yep, that open Democracy is evil, terrorist state, must be destroyed!

Islam and it's appeasers are the most dangerous things on this planet.
 
Because a treaty is required to transfer territory from one state to another. There was a treaty transferring East Prussia from Germany to Poland. There was no such treaty transferring Egyptian and Jordanian territory to Israel.

That land ... which was originally jewish property anyway, was technically under BRITISH CONTROL when it was given to them.

Any land taken after that in the 6 days War (which the Arabs started) is considered the spoils of war.

Israel was forced to defend herself from multiple attackers. Those attackers pulled out of ther areas in question during that conflict and therefore THEY ABANDONED THE LAND.

Learn to accept the fact that the land there DOES NOT belong to those countries anymore.

If not for a war started by the Egyptians and Jordanians, the ownership of that land would be IRRELEVANT.



Thanks.
 
That land ... which was originally jewish property anyway, was technically under BRITISH CONTROL when it was given to them.

Any land taken after that in the 6 days War (which the Arabs started) is considered the spoils of war.

Israel was forced to defend herself from multiple attackers. Those attackers pulled out of ther areas in question during that conflict and therefore THEY ABANDONED THE LAND.

Learn to accept the fact that the land there DOES NOT belong to those countries anymore.

If not for a war started by the Egyptians and Jordanians, the ownership of that land would be IRRELEVANT.

Thanks.
It is a violation of International Law to hold on to land taken in a war. Even the Israeli Supreme Court refer's to this land as "occupied territory".
 
I could not disagree more strongly. Israel, like any other sovereign state, has a right of self-defense. So long as it is being attacked by rockets, it has the same right enjoyed by every other sovereign state to defend itself against those responsible for the attacks on its civilian population e.g., Hamas. Self-defense is not the same thing as terrorism.

Yes and where did that sovereignty come from? It was an arbitrary carving out of the land by imperial power. The Palestinians have a legitimate historical grievance that has been ongoing for generations, and to this day their land becomes smaller and smaller in accordance with the expansion of another culture.

Until that grievance is acknowledged and attempts at reconciliation are made, there are going to be continued attacks, even after Palestine is fully absorbed. Hamas is seen as a terrorist organization by the West because it is contrary to our support of Israel. Within the Middle East views differ.

I essentially call into question who we choose to label as "terrorists". I think Israel and Palestine have both committed acts of terrorism in order to support their individual agendas, and it all stems from historical grievances. The fact that the West has decided to prop up one of those parties makes little difference in my mind. Who we call "terrorists" changes year to year based our own political whims.
 
Lets see...

One side is an open, liberal, Western democracy, and the other side wants to destroy that open, liberal, Western democracy because it has the audacity to exist.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Israel is a continual violator of international law, i.e. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, the violation of ceasefire agreements based on whimsical evidence of aggression, etc. However those discrepancies cannot be challenged due to U.S. veto power at the Security Council.

States that have no special interests in the Middle East, such as China, have continually called for investigation into Israel's behaviour at the UN, and such attempts are blocked at every turn by Western special interests.
 
It is ironic that there are a flow of bills constantly against Israel made in the UN but nary a peep about Palestine, even when they engage in tactics and methods that are directly contrary to the very conventions which are created and enforced in the UN.

Israel on the other hand has made HUGE concessions in the past with land and property to the point of removing their own people at gunpoint. And yet you see no such concessions from the Palestine state other than cease fires (which aren't enforced). Instead of trying to make deals with Israel that would be profitable for their own people and economy they suicide bomb disco's. Even Palestine's neighbor states are fed up with their extremist crap. Its no secret why Egypt and Jordan closed their borders with actual 15ft metal and concrete barriers (which Hamas blew up) to Palestine when they feared that many would try to immigrate over.

I don't think it's that cut and dry. Even within Hamas there are moderates who would be willing to see a joint settlement of Jerusalem. It has historically been a contentious spot where all religions want to rule. I personally have always favored the idea of making Jerusalem a neutral zone that is owned by no one, but all religions may have access. Giving one religious body control over it is unacceptable at any time in history.

I also agree that Israel has made concessions, but it has been at the behest of the United States and I don't think it has any intention of really allowing Palestine to exist in the long term. Extremism begets extremism. It isn't just the ideology of Hamas that is driving it, but real historical events. Israel has blown up their own share of innocents. My Palestinian friend in Toronto grew up getting shelled on near his home, and chased by Israeli soldiers through the streets with death threats for absolutely nothing.

You can't just label one side as the victim and the other as the aggressor. Both sides are guilty of atrocities, and I am tired of the one-sidedness coming from Western observers just because they have been spoon fed propaganda about how righteous Israel is.
 
That land ... which was originally jewish property anyway, was technically under BRITISH CONTROL when it was given to them.

Actually, it belonged to the Canaanites before it belonged to the ancient Hebrews. Britain did not have sovereignty over the land, it was a League of Nations mandate. That did NOT equate to colony status of having sovereign power over the land.

Any land taken after that in the 6 days War (which the Arabs started) is considered the spoils of war.

Not in modern international law. For land to be transferred from one state to another, a treaty must be signed and properly ratified specifically executing the transfer. This is basic international law 101.

Israel was forced to defend herself from multiple attackers. Those attackers pulled out of ther areas in question during that conflict and therefore THEY ABANDONED THE LAND.

But no peace treaty transferred that land to Israeli soveriegnty. Its technical status after 1967 was that of belligerant occupation.

Learn to accept the fact that the land there DOES NOT belong to those countries anymore.

It doesn't belong to them anymore because they have given up their claim to the land, but when they did so, there was no transfer of soveriegnty to Israel.

If not for a war started by the Egyptians and Jordanians, the ownership of that land would be IRRELEVANT.

Agreed, but that doesn't give Israel any lawful title to that land in accordance with international law.


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