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Trump signs executive orders on coronavirus economic relief

digsbe said:
I wonder if any of the leftist shills actually disagree with the provisions in the order or if they're just howling because Trump signed some paper with a pen to help Americans due to uncompromising Democrats holding things up in the House. Most executive orders cite the law/provision giving the president the authority to invoke such orders, I'll reserve judgement on the constitutionality behind it until I read the order in full and reference it to the citations.
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Translation: But the libs?

Well, that's smart, I guess.
 
digsbe said:
I wonder if any of the leftist shills actually disagree with the provisions in the order or if they're just howling because Trump signed some paper with a pen to help Americans due to uncompromising Democrats holding things up in the House. Most executive orders cite the law/provision giving the president the authority to invoke such orders, I'll reserve judgement on the constitutionality behind it until I read the order in full and reference it to the citations.
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Our whole system of government is based on the idea of competing interests coming together, compromising and passing legislation. If we are just going to throw that out the door now, what is to prevent future presidents from doing the same. It is short sighted and dangerous to support ANY president having these kinds of powers. The GOP will not always hold the presidency. Do you want a future democrat president unilaterally performing these kinds of acts?
 
gdgyva said:
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump signed executive orders Saturday for coronavirus economic relief, upending negotiations with Congress after lawmakers failed to reach a deal on Friday.

The executive orders establish a payroll tax holiday through the end of the year for Americans earning less than $100,000 a year.

They also defer student loan payments through the end of the year; continue eviction moratoriums; and extend enhanced unemployment benefits that expired last week, but at a reduced level of $400 instead of the prior $600.

"If I'm victorious on November 3rd, I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax," Trump said. "Joe Biden and the Democrats may not want that, they don't want that."
Trump signs executive orders on coronavirus economic relief

Looks like Trump got tired of Congress not getting anything done....he bypassed them
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Correction: He's "attempting" to bypass them. There's no guarantee Trump is acting legally. In addition, he may have created an even greater SNAFU from Congress acting, if this gets tied-up in the courts.
 
Cardinal said:
There goes the last of the Democratic holdouts on preserving the filibuster.
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Maybe, maybe not. I would say that this could simply allow the filibuster to remain as a more symbolic gesture, but cite the need for the President to do EOs.
 
digsbe said:
I wonder if any of the leftist shills actually disagree with the provisions in the order or if they're just howling because Trump signed some paper with a pen to help Americans due to uncompromising Democrats holding things up in the House. Most executive orders cite the law/provision giving the president the authority to invoke such orders, I'll reserve judgement on the constitutionality behind it until I read the order in full and reference it to the citations.
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No howling about the provisions because I am too busy howling about the fact that he's engaging in a last minute Hail Mary pass to clean up the mess he made while crowing about the great accomplishment of trying to clean it up.
The mess...is his overall response to the virus.

THIS:

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Integrityrespec said:
The dems like to point out that the house has "power of the purse" but they don't point out they can't seem to come to a compromise that can get passed by Congress.
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Those are two separate issues. But the Constitution is clear on the first.
 
Chomsky said:
Those are two separate issues. But the Constitution is clear on the first.
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We think it's the political acceptability of $1.9+ trillion and it's a bit unclear as of yet what dollar figure makes what party negotiators say no, and it's more than a bit hazy whether the administration was able to negotiate without worrying about the Senate Republican flank. Dems said no less than $2 trillion, Republicans said no more than $2 trillion...but they couldn't get Republicans to seal the deal with $2 trillion. So that means there's fighting about what 1.9 means to who.
 
Fiddytree said:
Maybe, maybe not. I would say that this could simply allow the filibuster to remain as a more symbolic gesture, but cite the need for the President to do EOs.
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This decision radicalized a bunch of democrats today. Republicans showed there’s literally zero incentive for them to negotiate with Democrats, which makes the filibuster moot. Also, symbolic gestures don’t count for much these days, if you haven’t noticed.
 
BlueTex said:
Our whole system of government is based on the idea of competing interests coming together, compromising and passing legislation. If we are just going to throw that out the door now, what is to prevent future presidents from doing the same. It is short sighted and dangerous to support ANY president having these kinds of powers. The GOP will not always hold the presidency. Do you want a future democrat president unilaterally performing these kinds of acts?
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The correct answer is: it's cool if the Republican does it, but not the Democrat...so make sure the rules work that way.
 
haymarket said:
I hope you would be good enough to explain something thing to me. I taught Government in High School for 34 years. I taught young people that Article I gave the power of legislation to the Congress. The Constitution specifies that the House pass and bill and the Senate pass the same bill and then it goes to the President for his action. The House passed the Heroes bill some three months ago?

When did the Senate pass their version of the bill?

Where does the Constitution give the Executive the power to write his own legislation?

Thank you.
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Let's get serious here, for what he's suggesting. If you blow-off the Constitution, what's left? There ya' go!
 
BlueTex said:
Will they be struggling next year when they file their taxes and all those suspended taxes come due?
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To say nothing of the missing Medicare & SS funding. Who's gonna' pay for that?
 
Fiddytree said:
I mean, all that means is that people without foresight are going to spend their extra cash and then regret it later. It would be just like the President to think about the short-term benefits without considering the mid-term hit he would take if he were to win.
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Well we are dealing with a six time bankrupter aren't we? One that couldn't even keep a Casino solvent.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Well we are dealing with a six time bankrupter aren't we? One that couldn't even keep a Casino solvent.
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He's not a long-term thinker, that's for sure. He operates under 48 hour news cycles, two week public policy pushes, and anything after that, he's bored to tears and has to start over again. His campaign is in shambles and he's flailing around trying to find anything that starts a spark: Confederate flags, kneeling, his "healthcare plan," now this. Once that likely fades away, he's gotta find another thing to get his fix.
 
Fiddytree said:
You do know that states across the country, including Republican-dominated ones, are going to be slashing their budgets throughout the next two years, right? In mine, we're talking upwards of 15%, at the very least. There's no way in hell they would agree to pitch in for a newly-instated federal program. And they will not receive political fallout.

What are Republican-dominated states with supermajority Republican voters going to do? Ditch the Republican Party and vote for the Democrats? Come on man.
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Perhaps, instead of forking over the $100/wk for everyone on unemployment, the states will do things to get them back to work.
 
gdgyva said:
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump signed executive orders Saturday for coronavirus economic relief, upending negotiations with Congress after lawmakers failed to reach a deal on Friday.

The executive orders establish a payroll tax holiday through the end of the year for Americans earning less than $100,000 a year.

They also defer student loan payments through the end of the year; continue eviction moratoriums; and extend enhanced unemployment benefits that expired last week, but at a reduced level of $400 instead of the prior $600.

"If I'm victorious on November 3rd, I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax," Trump said. "Joe Biden and the Democrats may not want that, they don't want that."
Trump signs executive orders on coronavirus economic relief

Looks like Trump got tired of Congress not getting anything done....he bypassed them
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He stuck his finger in Pelosi's face :lol:
 
BlueTex said:
Will they be struggling next year when they file their taxes and all those suspended taxes come due?
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Until the US gets Covid under control, your economy will be in a tailspin
US is lacking is social support programs that were in place prior to Covid, and after the Countries gained control of the spread

Til then........................
 
Chomsky said:
Let's get serious here, for what he's suggesting. If you blow-off the Constitution, what's left? There ya' go!
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What is left is a serious imbalance of power in the hands of a mentally damaged president.
 
Mycroft said:
Perhaps, instead of forking over the $100/wk for everyone on unemployment, the states will do things to get them back to work.
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What would that be beyond what most Republican states have been doing already? They don't want to overload their hospitals, but even if they didn't have those worries, they aren't exactly restricting businesses right now. So what do they do to juice them up some more?

I suppose my Governor could come out with a rap video talking about how cool it is to go to work every day. I'm sure that will get the Youtube clicks.
 
JANFU said:
Until the US gets Covid under control, your economy will be in a tailspin
US is lacking is social support programs that were in place prior to Covid, and after the Countries gained control of the spread

Til then........................
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Love the signature, how’d you get that in the field of play?
 
Mycroft said:
Here's my take...

1. For those who claim that Trump cannot make his own laws. He hasn't. His EO's have to be based on existing laws. Now...I haven't read the EO's yet. I'm not sure anyone has. But you can be sure that his EO's contains the justification for whatever he does in the EO.

2. For those who predict court challenges. Perhaps. But keep in mind that whoever mounts a court challenge must have standing and one of the criteria for standing is that they must have suffered some sort of harm. Who is being harmed by his EO's? Maybe Congress, eh?

3. Which brings us to the politics of this event. Congress has been unable to come to an agreement and both sides have been blaming the other. That's politics. Trump has shifted things and placed the blame...not on either party...but on Congress. Congress, in my opinion, has three options:

a. Take Trump to court to stop the EO's.
b. Leave it alone and let Trump have his way.
c. Come together and pass their own legislation and send it to the President.​

There are obvious political pros and cons for each course of action that Congress will have to weigh before they come to a decision.

4. Of course, the media will do their part by painting Trump as the bad guy, by using their usual spin, speculation, innuendo, hyperbole and lies.


Now me? I think Congress will immediately pass some legislation and send it to Trump. I think Trump will sign it and then rescind his EO's. And I think that is what Trump wants...that's why he did the EO's. If I'm right, this EO action would be Trump slapping Congress upside the head and telling them to do their damned jobs...and them doing it.
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This, IMHO, is an excellent post!

It's nearly word-for-word what I see, what I think, and what I believe.

Well, I will differ a bit with #1, in that he is 'attempting' to base his E.O.'s on existing law & justification. This is far from proven, and he may even know it.

Nice job! :cheers:
 
BlueTex said:
How would the house be preventing them from getting the extra $400/wk? The president has acted now let him deal with the consequences...
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The first thing the House would do if they take it to court would be to ask for an injunction on the EO. If granted, that would stop the extra money.

If they don't ask for an injunction, then they damage their case making it more likely they'll lose.

And, if they win the case and people have been getting the money...the money stops.

Any way you look at it, the political fallout lands on Congress.
 
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