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Portland mayor condemns rioters for 'attempting to commit murder'

Ikari said:
There likely is certainly going to be political ramifications for their handling of this. The protesting is fine and should be protected, but the rioting, assaults, arson, etc. needs to be policed.
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It looks like more than one riot happened because of the mishandling of the situation from the police.
 
Michael Johnson said:
Yes you do support it. You just made several statements throughout the thread confirming it. Now you want to attempt to justify the situation as some pathetic noble cause.

Does the PD you supposedly work for are aware of your anarchist viewpoints?
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Wait... this person WORKS for a police department?
 
Grizzly Adams said:
This came across a little harsh, but I want to clarify that I'm not encouraging that particular poster to go out and commit unlawful acts. I am instead asking why he/she isn't doing so, in light of their "tough talk" and actual defense of attempted murder. As I read it again, it occurred to me that the post could be taken in a manner I didn't intend; just wanted to make sure my intention was clear.
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I can certainly sympathize with that.
 
dixon01767 said:
Id say their peaceful and legal protest was responsible. And in the 60s they were arrested. Generally those who used peaceful civil disobedience also peaceably went to jail. AND while demanding equal rights is a legitimate demand, defund the police or we'll burn down the Federal Court House, or the local police precinct is not.
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Sure. Good you understand how civil disobedience works, cant believe how many times ive had to explain that.
 
Michael Johnson said:
Death penalty.



Of course, Mayor Cuck. So why are you don't you just admit Trump was essentially correct about your rioters?

This cuck was okay with local and federal officers being brutally assaulted and having their families personally threatened but murder is where this idiot wants to draw the line? Pathetic.



No excuses from the LeftLies are valid. No rationalizations, no emotional rhetoric. No amount of whining and tears will explain away this domestic American hatred.

Portland mayor condemns rioters for '''attempting to commit murder''' | Fox News
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That this has to be explained to these idiots by the Mayor tells us a lot about the people they're having to deal with while the Portland city council does its best to hamstring their efforts.
 
dixon01767 said:
Anrchist working for the police department??? Kinda like a vegetarian working in a meat packing plant.
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Again, I'm not an anarchist. Right now, they have my sympathies.

There is a slight, but very real difference.
 
trouble13 said:
I did not say he was. It just ahows that his primary objection is a political one not safety or law.

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Welcome to all of Western history.

Also Eastern history.
 
dixon01767 said:
I as well




A protest with civil disobedience of blocking streets, vandalism, looting, assault, battery arson and attempted murder. 9/11 was a protest, but it was still also a terrorist attack.
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Blocking streets is one part of the protest picture as that can be done as civil disobedience. The rest we agree. Catch who do those things leave the rest alone.
 
Any legitimate grievance the peaceful protestors may have had will be eroded and eclipsed by the people doing this.....I believe many across the nation will see this as the actions of the whole, and not the few; this will build a groundswell of support against them.

How unfortunate.
 
Bum said:
Any legitimate grievance the peaceful protestors may have had will be eroded and eclipsed by the people doing this.....I believe many across the nation will see this as the actions of the whole, and not the few; this will build a groundswell of support against them.

How unfortunate.
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Doubtful. Its gone worldwide now.
 
Napoleon said:
I’ve never seen anyone cite a reason for that which is specific to the Portland PD.
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Police misconduct is being protested nationwide. At the same time, Portland is experiencing a higher-than-average volume of protests. It stand to reason that Portland citizens must feel especially mistreated by their local police. That's much easier for me to believe than wild conspiracy theories about anarchy, communism, or Marxism, especially when there's a video of Portland police destroying a reporter's car. A car that had the word "PRESS" clearly printed on the very window they smashed in.

Napoleon said:
They’re anarchists. That is their only reason.
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If you're talking about the rioters, maybe. If you're talking about the non-violent majority, no, they are protesting police misconduct especially against people of color.

Napoleon said:
Police are human beings so of course there is occasional misconduct
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Does that go both ways? Protestors are human beings so of course there is occasional misconduct (into riots)? Or is it just the police who get that pass?

The police are imperfect human beings, so occasional one-off instances of misconduct have to be expected (but never tolerated). But I think the general feeling is that this has been an ongoing problem, a systemic trend rather than one-off cases here and there.

Eric Garner
Breonna Taylor
Ahmaud Arbery
Rodney King
Ezell Ford
Rekia Boyd
Laquan McDonald
Atatiana Jefferson
Stephon Clark
Alton Sterling
Tamir Rice
Iyanna Stanley-Jones
Oscar Grant
Miriam Carey
Sean Bell
Tanisha Anderson
Elijah McClain
Walter Scott
Trayvon Martin
Kendra James
Rayshard Brooks
(and many more...)
 
Grizzly Adams said:
But you already stated you didn't know what was going on. Why should we give your made-up explanation any weight?


Let me fix it then: "I don't know what's going on, but here's some garbage I made up because I like it better."
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Here's you: "I can't argue with what you said, so I'll change it to fit my false narrative so I can."

Classic strawman.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Police misconduct is being protested nationwide. At the same time, Portland is experiencing a higher-than-average volume of protests. It stand to reason that Portland citizens must feel especially mistreated by their local police. That's much easier for me to believe than wild conspiracy theories about anarchy, communism, or Marxism, especially when there's a video of Portland police destroying a reporter's car. A car that had the word "PRESS" clearly printed on the very window they smashed in.


If you're talking about the rioters, maybe. If you're talking about the non-violent majority, no, they are protesting police misconduct especially against people of color.


Does that go both ways? Protestors are human beings so of course there is occasional misconduct (into riots)? Or is it just the police who get that pass?

The police are imperfect human beings, so occasional one-off instances of misconduct have to be expected (but never tolerated). But I think the general feeling is that this has been an ongoing problem, a systemic trend rather than one-off cases here and there.

Eric Garner
Breonna Taylor
Ahmaud Arbery
Rodney King
Ezell Ford
Rekia Boyd
Laquan McDonald
Atatiana Jefferson
Stephon Clark
Alton Sterling
Tamir Rice
Iyanna Stanley-Jones
Oscar Grant
Miriam Carey
Sean Bell
Tanisha Anderson
Elijah McClain
Walter Scott
Trayvon Martin
Kendra James
Rayshard Brooks
(and many more...)
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Sandra Bland...
 
Bum said:
Any legitimate grievance the peaceful protestors may have had will be eroded and eclipsed by the people doing this.....I believe many across the nation will see this as the actions of the whole, and not the few; this will build a groundswell of support against them.

How unfortunate.
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Naw. Nobody changed their minds.
 
Bum said:
Never underestimate the power of stupid people and a complicit media.
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You have a point.... stupid media even fools a lot of people when even independent media is often just as bad.
 
Bum said:
Any legitimate grievance the peaceful protestors may have had will be eroded and eclipsed by the people doing this.....I believe many across the nation will see this as the actions of the whole, and not the few; this will build a groundswell of support against them.

How unfortunate.
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I'm afraid that's a distinct possibility, but I'm holding hope that it won't happen.

George Floyd is being described as this generation's Emmett Till, whose murder sparked a 10-year movement that culminated in the Civil Rights Act. Not all of those protests were pretty either, but the public support only grew. The sooner the government acts to correct these grievances, the sooner these protests (and ancillary riots) will end:

- Independent misconduct review board, not Internal Affairs where the fox guards the hen house and accountability is rare.
- Mandatory body cams and dash cams that cannot be turned off.
- Complete ban of choke holds and knee restraints.
- Complete ban of no-knock raids.
- Complete ban of civil asset forfeiture.
- Require a license to practice law enforcement, similar to doctors and lawyers, which can be permanently revoked.
- Require better training in de-escalation techniques and dealing with people who have phobias or other mental illness.

Better leadership in Portland would be strongly considering some or all of these. They're not listening.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Police misconduct is being protested nationwide. At the same time, Portland is experiencing a higher-than-average volume of protests. It stand to reason that Portland citizens must feel especially mistreated by their local police. That's much easier for me to believe than wild conspiracy theories about anarchy, communism, or Marxism, especially when there's a video of Portland police destroying a reporter's car. A car that had the word "PRESS" clearly printed on the very window they smashed in.


If you're talking about the rioters, maybe. If you're talking about the non-violent majority, no, they are protesting police misconduct especially against people of color.


Does that go both ways? Protestors are human beings so of course there is occasional misconduct (into riots)? Or is it just the police who get that pass?

The police are imperfect human beings, so occasional one-off instances of misconduct have to be expected (but never tolerated). But I think the general feeling is that this has been an ongoing problem, a systemic trend rather than one-off cases here and there.

Eric Garner
Breonna Taylor
Ahmaud Arbery
Rodney King
Ezell Ford
Rekia Boyd
Laquan McDonald
Atatiana Jefferson
Stephon Clark
Alton Sterling
Tamir Rice
Iyanna Stanley-Jones
Oscar Grant
Miriam Carey
Sean Bell
Tanisha Anderson
Elijah McClain
Walter Scott
Trayvon Martin
Kendra James
Rayshard Brooks
(and many more...)
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Ill take a guess that every one of those names is of a black person. Why only black names? The list of white victims is longer than the list of black victims. Why are you only concerned with black victims? Worse way to deal with a police brutality problem is to pretend its a problem of racism.
 
dixon01767 said:
Ill take a guess that every one of those names is of a black person. Why only black names? The list of white victims is longer than the list of black victims. Why are you only concerned with black victims? Worse way to deal with a police brutality problem is to pretend its a problem of racism.
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You're right that anyone can be a victim of police misconduct, but black people in-particular have it worse. They are more often perceived as a dangerous threat by default. They are more often harassed for driving a car that's too nice. Or being in the front yard of their own home that's too nice. Or being in the warehouse of their own business after hours. Not all cops do this of course, but many do and that means people of color have more interactions with the police. Add in the fact they are often perceived as a threat by default (Exhibit A: They approached George Floyd with guns drawn...all because he tried to spend a counterfeit $20!), and what you get is black people nearly 3x more likely to be killed by the police than white people.
 
Binary_Digit said:
I'm afraid that's a distinct possibility, but I'm holding hope that it won't happen.

George Floyd is being described as this generation's Emmett Till, whose murder sparked a 10-year movement that culminated in the Civil Rights Act. Not all of those protests were pretty either, but the public support only grew. The sooner the government acts to correct these grievances, the sooner these protests (and ancillary riots) will end:

- Independent misconduct review board, not Internal Affairs where the fox guards the hen house and accountability is rare.
- Mandatory body cams and dash cams that cannot be turned off.
- Complete ban of choke holds and knee restraints.
- Complete ban of no-knock raids.
- Complete ban of civil asset forfeiture.
- Require a license to practice law enforcement, similar to doctors and lawyers, which can be permanently revoked.
- Require better training in de-escalation techniques and dealing with people who have phobias or other mental illness.

Better leadership in Portland would be strongly considering some or all of these. They're not listening.
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None of the above even addresses their grievance that the police are killing people because they are black. You could implement all the above, and still, blacks would be 13% of the population but 26% of the victims of police shootings. I guess if it goes from 260 out of 1000 deaths to 26 out of 100 they might not notice as much.
 
dixon01767 said:
Ill take a guess that every one of those names is of a black person. Why only black names? The list of white victims is longer than the list of black victims. Why are you only concerned with black victims? Worse way to deal with a police brutality problem is to pretend its a problem of racism.
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Whites control everything, that's why. They control the government, they control the money, they control the justice system, they control the police, they control the schools, they control the media, they control the economy, they control the sports.....there isn't much that whites don't control.

Blacks have been excluded and ignored in this country for far too long. It's time for that to change.
 
Michael Johnson said:
You're not going to hijack my thread with that garbage. They had no business being there and police already have their hands full dealing with destructive criminals.

There is no justification for setting fire to a precinct and attempting to hold staff inside. NONE.

They all should've been shot in self-defense by the officers inside.
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they have no business slicing a person's tires. Vandalism is vandalism and if a police officer is doing it, he needs to be in jail and fired.
 
Michael Johnson said:
You're the one that made the lame idiotic claim. You back it up.

Oh that's right, who am I talking to? Someone who never brings facts to debates.
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perhaps because in many instances during rioting, it has been right wingers who have been arrested.
 
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