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EU voting on working week opt-out

So this law forces employers to pay more for less work? Wow - it's even worse than I thought

Did I ever say that?

thats my personal situation I was talking about here. What drugs are you using? Cant you see the contexts between my postings?
 
So this law forces employers to pay more for less work? Wow - it's even worse than I thought

You positively just dont understand any of the things I am talking about here. You clearly do not understand the law we are talking about or the context of it.. So why are you here again, please remind me..

Are you just trolling around here like a good American when things get too complicated?
 
Did I ever say that?

thats my personal situation I was talking about here. What drugs are you using? Cant you see the contexts between my postings?

So how are you getting more for a 30 hour week than a 40 hour?

I'm on percocet btw - wisdom teeth got pulled yesterday. Please afford me a bit of leeway for the next couple of days :mrgreen:
 
Max, I'm having trouble understanding why you think this needs to be enforced by law. Why should it be the business of anyone except the employees and the employer if employees are working overtime? If the general attitude in Europe is that they want to work less for more pay I'm fine with that and unions will follow up on it. But why does the government need to be involved at all?

That's really my only complaint. I don't care how many hours you or other Europeans work. If you're happy and getting paid well good for you. But why does a government have to be involved?
 
Max, I'm having trouble understanding why you think this needs to be enforced by law. Why should it be the business of anyone except the employees and the employer if employees are working overtime? If the general attitude in Europe is that they want to work less for more pay I'm fine with that and unions will follow up on it. But why does the government need to be involved at all?

That's really my only complaint. I don't care how many hours you or other Europeans work. If you're happy and getting paid well good for you. But why does a government have to be involved?


I think its a human right not to be exploited by companies and to not have slavish work hours.

Much European Union work is about protecting the people from exploitation by companies, groups, units, government and so on.. The European Union operates with high weight on the best human rights in the world, which we have.
 
I think its a human right not to be exploited by companies and to not have slavish work hours.

Much European Union work is about protecting the people from exploitation by companies, groups, units, government and so on.. The European Union operates with high weight on the best human rights in the world, which we have.

That's what Unions are for. Besides, 48 hours isn't "slavish". There's nary a science grad student even in Europe that doesn't put in well more time than that. If you think the scientists at CERN are only putting in 48 hours/week; you've got another things coming. There's nothing "slavish" about it. It's just doing your job and nothing more. I don't see why you have to restrict through governmental laws a man's ability to make money from their labor.
 
That's what Unions are for. Besides, 48 hours isn't "slavish". There's nary a science grad student even in Europe that doesn't put in well more time than that. If you think the scientists at CERN are only putting in 48 hours/week; you've got another things coming. There's nothing "slavish" about it. It's just doing your job and nothing more. I don't see why you have to restrict through governmental laws a man's ability to make money from their labor.

If people want to work more that is not a problem, but the law is aimed at the regular guy t prevent work times to ever increase like they are like for example in the UK, its aimed at having a majority that works less than 48 hours a week.
 
If people want to work more that is not a problem, but the law is aimed at the regular guy t prevent work times to ever increase like they are like for example in the UK, its aimed at having a majority that works less than 48 hours a week.

Join a union. That's a free market solution instead of trying to enforce everything through slow and incompetent bureaucracy. And if 48 hours/week is slavish, then it doesn't matter want or not. Slave conditions are slave conditions; right? Shouldn't you save those people from themselves?
 
Max, I'm having trouble understanding why you think this needs to be enforced by law. Why should it be the business of anyone except the employees and the employer if employees are working overtime? If the general attitude in Europe is that they want to work less for more pay I'm fine with that and unions will follow up on it. But why does the government need to be involved at all?

That's really my only complaint. I don't care how many hours you or other Europeans work. If you're happy and getting paid well good for you. But why does a government have to be involved?

And one that no one voted for at that:roll:
 
That's what Unions are for. Besides, 48 hours isn't "slavish". There's nary a science grad student even in Europe that doesn't put in well more time than that. If you think the scientists at CERN are only putting in 48 hours/week; you've got another things coming. There's nothing "slavish" about it. It's just doing your job and nothing more. I don't see why you have to restrict through governmental laws a man's ability to make money from their labor.

All work is not underlaid a union, all work is however underlaid government regulation.. Thats the advantage government have over lame private market functions..

Aside from it the law is a European UNION law.. :lol:
 
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All work is not underlaid a union, all work is however underlaid government regulation.. Thats the advantage government have over lame private market functions..

Aside from it the law is a European UNION law.. :lol:

So you're saying you can't take care of yourself. Interesting. I'm beginning to see a pattern for your country.
 
So you're saying you can't take care of yourself. Interesting. I'm beginning to see a pattern for your country.

I can, its not about me, what about the weak? Should they have no protection? Ohh,yes I am talking to an American, lets throw veteran wheel chaired soldiers onto the streets instead of helping the weak of the society like the "insane Europeans" do.

OBVIOUSLY the government needs to limit work hours because its a huge problem in several societies, especially Britain, but also partly Scandinavia and obviously the US.. But let the market take care of you over there, in the end you will all work 100 hour weeks and take pills to avoid sleeping.. Thats your fantasy world..
 
It isn't a country.

Norway a kingdom then? I was speaking specifically to Max, not the collective. There are two threads going on simultaneously since Max made the same exact thread twice.
 
Norway a kingdom then? I was speaking specifically to Max, not the collective. There are two threads going on simultaneously since Max made the same exact thread twice.

Wasn't Max talking about EU law? The EU is not a country and god willing will never be, at least with England in it.
 
Wasn't Max talking about EU law? The EU is not a country and god willing will never be, at least with England in it.

He was talking of EU law, but in the other thread he posted an example of why it's necessary for Norway due to housing prices. I haven't done ample job of keeping the two threads separate in my arguments, since for all practical purposes they are the same.
 
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