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He was talking of EU law, but in the other thread he posted an example of why it's necessary for Norway due to housing prices. I haven't done ample job of keeping the two threads separate in my arguments, since for all practical purposes they are the same.

Norway isn't part of the EU anyway, fortunately for them.
 
Norway isn't part of the EU anyway, fortunately for them.

So this law doesn't even do anything for Max's home country eh? Just trying to limit the time doctors in the UK can work? Odd.
 
So this law doesn't even do anything for Max's home country eh? Just trying to limit the time doctors in the UK can work? Odd.

I think he has moved to some Western European country and now considers himself a citizen of Europe or some bollocks. It is at least refreshing that someone is open about the superstate in the making though and doesn't pretend it is just a trading bloc.
 
Norway a kingdom then? I was speaking specifically to Max, not the collective. There are two threads going on simultaneously since Max made the same exact thread twice.

I live in Spain though.. I do just damn fine.. Jogging around here on the beach in the morning, going to job around 12, then back around 8 in the evening, and can choose to hit the nightclubs or just chill at home with some random lady. Then I have the 3 day weekend which feels like a vacation every week. Did I mention that the average temperature here is 20 degrees Celsius and that most days are sunny and the ocean warm to swim in? And the ladies they are tan and happy, not pale and tight.

How about you? :lol:
 
Norway isn't part of the EU anyway, fortunately for them.

They probably have to adopt the law though, we are in the EEC which makes my country adopt 90ish % of EU laws. But we do not enjoy many of the greatest benefits because of our damn need to be "sovereign" and decide on stupid things ourself. Yuk..

The day Norway become a member of the EU I will move back.
 
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He was talking of EU law, but in the other thread he posted an example of why it's necessary for Norway due to housing prices. I haven't done ample job of keeping the two threads separate in my arguments, since for all practical purposes they are the same.

Due to all prices and the pressure on people and the competition between them.. No one in Norway do anything but work.. Everyone is angry and uptight and have time for nothing. Thats the reason I moved away from it, and the fact that the polticians are ****ty and we are not part of the EU which makes things difficult.. They sell the same food in all different stores at the same prices, all Norwegian made monopoly food.. Everything is limited in choice and highly expensive. A car for example costs the same as 3 of the same car in any European country.. I don't smoke nor do I drink often, but I pity the people in Norway who do, because a pack of cigs cost more than 10€ and a glass of beer in the pub cost 7ish €.. Everything is expensive, no one can afford to not work overtime in Norway which is a step further from England which is headed in the same general direction.
 
Norway isn't part of the EU anyway, fortunately for them.

Have you lived there? Its very unfortunate. Why DO you think a person who grew up in a non-EU country is such a big supporter of the EU after living in several EU countries for half a decade? And the country I moved from is supposedly the richest country in the world.. tss.
 
I live in Spain though.. I do just damn fine.. Jogging around here on the beach in the morning, going to job around 12, then back around 8 in the evening, and can choose to hit the nightclubs or just chill at home with some random lady. Then I have the 3 day weekend which feels like a vacation every week. Did I mention that the average temperature here is 20 degrees Celsius and that most days are sunny and the ocean warm to swim in? And the ladies they are tan and happy, not pale and tight.

How about you? :lol:

I live in Colorado, the greatest State in the entire Republic. Hardly ever too hot, hardly ever too cold (though last Monday when I left for work it was -7 F outside or -22 C for people whom use Celsius...damned cold). Mountains and lakes and all sorts of fun canyons for motorcycling. I'm a grad student, spend tons of time doing physics. But I afforded a car and a motorcycle, and have lots of time to go to the bars with friends despite my "slavish" hours. I do some amount of work 7 days a week, but have plenty of time for WoW and friends and family and bars; so it's great. Plus the chicks here are all pretty hot, and none of them are so tanned that they look like skin cancer. If I believed in a god, I would say this was his country. Colorado is hands down one of the greatest places in the world to live.

Plus we have snow, which is great...'cept it makes motorcycling maybe not so much possible.
 
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though last Monday when I left for work it was -7 F outside or -22 C
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You LEFT work? Wow... Did you have time for THAT? REALLY?

Ahh, you left FOR work.. Now I understand.. Of course you did.. But your house is pretty close to work.. Yes?
 
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Mine is yes, but I also drove. I wasn't about to walk in that. My beard froze almost immediately upon walking outside. That was just one day, it's settled into the 30's for now (near 0 C). That's not too bad at all.
 
They probably have to adopt the law though, we are in the EEC which makes my country adopt 90ish % of EU laws. But we do not enjoy many of the greatest benefits because of our damn need to be "sovereign" and decide on stupid things ourself. Yuk..

The day Norway become a member of the EU I will move back.

Mmmm nothing like the smell of treason in the morning.
 
I think its a human right not to be exploited by companies and to not have slavish work hours.

Much European Union work is about protecting the people from exploitation by companies, groups, units, government and so on.. The European Union operates with high weight on the best human rights in the world, which we have.

You didn't answer my question. Are unions and workers in Europe so weak or stupid that they cannot negotiate their own contracts?
 
I can, its not about me, what about the weak? Should they have no protection? Ohh,yes I am talking to an American, lets throw veteran wheel chaired soldiers onto the streets instead of helping the weak of the society like the "insane Europeans" do.
This isn't even about welfare. This is about people that can work to take care of themselves and aren't allowed to by the government.

OBVIOUSLY the government needs to limit work hours because its a huge problem in several societies, especially Britain, but also partly Scandinavia and obviously the US.. But let the market take care of you over there, in the end you will all work 100 hour weeks and take pills to avoid sleeping.. Thats your fantasy world..

Who is doing this? Show me a person in the US or anywhere else that is being forced by a company to work 100 hours a week.
 
Due to all prices and the pressure on people and the competition between them.. No one in Norway do anything but work..
Because the government takes all their money and they need to work that much to have a decent standard of living.

Everyone is angry and uptight and have time for nothing.
Because the government takes all their money and they need to work that much to have a decent standard of living.

Thats the reason I moved away from it, and the fact that the polticians are ****ty
You weren't getting enough free stuff in fucking Norway?
 
Mine is yes, but I also drove. I wasn't about to walk in that. My beard froze almost immediately upon walking outside. That was just one day, it's settled into the 30's for now (near 0 C). That's not too bad at all.

Too far to walk for a scientist who have no time to exercise? I guess you would have been exhausted beyond recovery then for walking a few hundred meters to work?
I like it cold sometimes, Norway, one of my two countries of origin is damn cold at times, never prevented me from walking.

I actually try to always walk rather than just sit in a car, keep things natural..

You as a physicist, can you answer this please...?

For humans whom can move naturally around 3-10km/h with an increased amount of strain and pain the faster and longer they go, then what are the actual side effects and possible effects of human beings driving?(sitting still at 60-100km/h).. They pass through an enormous amounts of atoms in that time and with no strain or pain, but are there actual side effects that we havent started seeing yet in human evolution? Does it break down cells? Does it damage fragile brain tissue? Does it damage organs and lead to shorter lives? All these things.. or does it have no effect at all?

I have been thinking about this for some time, I can clearly see how angry people who drive cars instead of walking and running are, how tense they can be and how lazy and out of shape they turn out.. There are many aspects to this thing, but please, as a physicist, the amounts of atoms, the speed of movement vs strain and pain and lack of it.. ?? Dont you think there is a reason(beyond the biological) for the added pain and strain of moving say 10km/h on foot rather than 3km/h? Any beast that move beyond 60km/h has a totally different physique and biology and would probably handle moving the same speed without strain worse?
 
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Because the government takes all their money and they need to work that much to have a decent standard of living.

Believe me, its that also, but mainly because of inflated prices in EVERYTHING.. You go live in norway with American wages, you would be a dirt poor man, you would live under the poverty line.

Because the government takes all their money and they need to work that much to have a decent standard of living.

Mostly its because of competitive pressure which have driven prices for everything up beyond the imaginable.

You weren't getting enough free stuff in fucking Norway?

Free stuff? I never tried.. I didn't get rest and people were assholes who never had time for anything. I dont want to pay 150$ for 4-5 bags of groceries when I can pay 25€ for the same stuff in sunny Spain. Comparing wages to prices you get a better deal here, aside from this place being a tax haven.
 
This isn't even about welfare. This is about people that can work to take care of themselves and aren't allowed to by the government.

People in Europe can take care of them self after 20hours of work, after 40 hours they live enormously comfortable, there is no need to work more than that, but they can work overtime up to 48 hours on regular contracts if they feel like it. Its only fair then that they put some efforts into working more than 48 hours.. If you want to work such slavish hours, whats the problem about doing some extra hours of paperwork for it?

Who is doing this? Show me a person in the US or anywhere else that is being forced by a company to work 100 hours a week.

soon my man, eventually none of you will afford to work less than that.
 
You didn't answer my question. Are unions and workers in Europe so weak or stupid that they cannot negotiate their own contracts?

If you actually start reading my posts without prejudice you will notice I answered this question before.
 
If you actually start reading my posts without prejudice you will notice I answered this question before.

In the other thread you did answer. You told me that unions and workers were indeed weak and stupid.
 
If you want to work such slavish hours, whats the problem about doing some extra hours of paperwork for it?

Why does one have to fill out paper work to work? Why does it have to be a pain in the ass to try to live by the sweat of your brow and to improve yourself and your work? Why should the government be involved if one wants to put in the work to be the best? There's nothing wrong with any of that.
 
Why does one have to fill out paper work to work? Why does it have to be a pain in the ass to try to live by the sweat of your brow and to improve yourself and your work? Why should the government be involved if one wants to put in the work to be the best? There's nothing wrong with any of that.

Well, because Euros like Maximus knows what is best for you. He's the guy that will be knocking on your door saying, "Hello, I'm the government and I am here to help you." It's fascism, of course, a kinder, gentler version, but fascism nonethless.

For Maximus, individuals really don't know how to care for themselves so the government must be there getting involved in everything.
 
Well, because Euros like Maximus knows what is best for you. He's the guy that will be knocking on your door saying, "Hello, I'm the government and I am here to help you." It's fascism, of course, a kinder, gentler version, but fascism nonethless.

For Maximus, individuals really don't know how to care for themselves so the government must be there getting involved in everything.

Fascism is best recognized as a police state, as such the US is far more fascist than Europe. Also the corporations have strong "ball grip" on the US government, another trait, corporate governance.

I like state protection and socialism.. I feel good knowing that my taxes goes towards helping the weak rather than fighting wars.
 
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...because there's -nothing- like state-sponsored slavery.

Whats slavery about having the state pay for nanny services, kindergarten, house maid for people with children and so on?

Whats slavery about protecting the weak? Thats rather anti-slavery unlike not protecting the weak like is the case in the US.
 
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