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Foreign threats loom ahead of US presidential election

calamity said:
It was there[sic] money. Look it up.
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Irrelevant. Those were our sailors. We should have told them the only think we would exchange for their release would be fire and steel.

But, what does the Kenyan do? He pays the ransom.
 
apdst said:
It's a real bitch when facts show up to bite you in your hindparts. Ain't?

At least our guys didn't fold up, like your boys did...

Iran: Captured British Sailors "Confess" - CBS News
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No, those are your versions of "facts". What, exactly, do you expect sailors who 'strayed' into a country's territorial waters to do, once apprehended? Come on genius, let's have your brilliant suggestion.
 
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apdst said:
In the terms of the election, aren't you a foreigner?
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Did you know that not everyone who is entitled to vote in US elections lives in the USA?

Did you know that it is considered VERY rude to ask for personal details on an open forum?

Did you know that there are people with functioning brains who do not live in the United States of America?

Can you think of some logical reason other than the 7 specified ones given that would explain why Mr. Trump's campaign would NOT issue a statement that says, in effect,

"Donald Trump is not in receipt of any assistance, material or immaterial, from any foreign power and has never been in receipt of any assistance, material or immaterial, from any foreign power with respect to this, or any other election. The same applies to all aspects of Mr. Trump's electoral teams. Should any foreign power offer, even by intimation, to provide Mr. Trump, or his electoral team, with any assistance whatsoever, be that assistance be material, immaterial, direct, or indirect, that offer, no matter how tenuous, will be reported to federal law enforcement agencies immediately."
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or something VERY close to that?
 
apdst said:
Were you mad when Obama rewarded Iran $150 million in cash for murdering and kidnapoing US troops?
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Aside from the "$150 million" (actually more like $400 million plus accrued interest) that was Iranian money that had been illegally sequestered by the US government and which the US government was faced with a court order requiring that it return that money PLUS interest PLUS penalties, which $150 million are you talking about?

Can you provide a list of "US troops" that the Iranians have "murdered or kidnapped" over the past 25 years?
 
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Mycroft said:
8. As was the case in 2016, Trump is receiving no help from anyone.
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Yes, I am sure that you believe that.

Mycroft said:
btw, since the DNC and Hillary...despite their vociferous denials...DID receive help from foreign entities, why on earth would anyone believe a thing the Biden campaign says?
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Did you know that it is illegal for anyone to receive help from a foreign power in an American election EVEN IF THEY LOSE THE ELECTION? Mr. Trump has had over three years to have indictments brought down for the "foreign assistance" that you believe the DNC and Ms. Clinton received.

Doesn't the fact that no indictments have been brought down give you some slight hint as to the substance of the allegation that you just parroted?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Aside from the $150 million that was Iranian money that had been illegally sequestered by the US government and which the US government was faced with a court order requiring that it return that money PLUS interest PLUS penalties, which $150 million are you talking about?

Can you provide a list of "US troops" that the Iranians have "murdered or kidnapped" over the past 25 years?
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You're wasting your time; he believes whatever he wants to believe, and damn those pesky facts.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Aside from the $150 million that was Iranian money that had been illegally sequestered by the US government and which the US government was faced with a court order requiring that it return that money PLUS interest PLUS penalties, which $150 million are you talking about?

Can you provide a list of "US troops" that the Iranians have "murdered or kidnapped" over the past 25 years?
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Nevermind Iran committing a war crime by kidnapping and toturing U.S. sailors, though. Right?

GOP rep: Details of Iran's treatment of US sailors disturbing | TheHill

What'd Obama do? He rewarded the Iranians.
 
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snakestretcher said:
You're wasting your time; he believes whatever he wants to believe, and damn those pesky facts.
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I wouldn't go that far. People who believe what they want to believe are pretty close to delusional.

On the other hand, there ARE people who believe what they are told they are supposed to believe because they have been told that by people that they have been told to believe they have been told by people that they have been told by people that they are supposed to believe that they are supposed to believe it.

What that says about their level of mental functioning I leave for you to conclude.
 
apdst said:
Nevermind Iran committing a war crime by kidnapping and toturing U.S. sailors, though. Right?
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From your link
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A Republican congressman said the classified details surrounding Iran's treatment of U.S. sailors captured earlier this year are disturbing.​
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Forbes said the Obama administration is withholding information about how the 10 U.S. sailors were treated when they were captured earlier this year after drifting into Iranian territorial waters in the Persian Gulf.​
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You might not know it, but it is perfectly legal to capture foreign troops that you apprehend within your own territory.

The sailors were detained for a whole 15 hours and then returned to US jurisdiction.

As far as "tortured" is concerned, there have been no substantiated details released that come even remotely close to describing "torture" - no matter how you want to interpret this video. But this video (WARNING! The bit starting at around 1:41 of the second video is particularly offensive) clearly establishes how solid your conclusions are.


apdst said:
What'd Obama do? He rewarded the Iranians.
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Yes, I know that you believe that. Whether that is because that is what you want to believe that one of "Those People" (who are all morally depraved criminals) would do or because it is something that someone whom you have been told you have to believe has told you that you have to believe isn't really all that important.
 
apdst said:
No, it's a fact that the information is (was at the time) classified.

Iran kidnapped and murdered US servicemen...
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And it is also a fact that not a drop of evidence has emerged that the USN personnel who were captured inside Iranian territorial waters were "tortured" since that date - has it?

apdst said:
Iran killed more US troops in Iraq than previously known, Pentagon says

...and Obama rewards them and covers up the evidence.
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You are, as you are well aware, referring to an update of a 2015 report that does not refer to Iranian troops at all, only to Iraqi groups that are supported by Iran because the Iranian government wanted those groups to form the government of Iraq (in much the same manner as the US government was supporting Iraqi groups because the US government wanted those groups to form the government of Iraq) after the illegal ousting of the legal government of Iraq by the US government (in a somewhat more brutal manner than the way that the US government had ousted the legal government of Iran so that it could promote freedom and democracy by establishing an absolute monarchy in Iran).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
And it is also a fact that not a drop of evidence has emerged that the USN personnel who were captured inside Iranian territorial waters were "tortured" since that date - has it?



You are, as you are well aware, referring to an update of a 2015 report that does not refer to Iranian troops at all, only to Iraqi groups that are supported by Iran because the Iranian government wanted those groups to form the government of Iraq (in much the same manner as the US government was supporting Iraqi groups because the US government wanted those groups to form the government of Iraq) after the illegal ousting of the legal government of Iraq by the US government (in a somewhat more brutal manner than the way that the US government had ousted the legal government of Iran so that it could promote freedom and democracy by establishing an absolute monarchy in Iran).
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Why did Obama classify that information, then?

Torture, or no torture, the Iranians committed war crimed and Obama rewarded them for it.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From your link
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A Republican congressman said the classified details surrounding Iran's treatment of U.S. sailors captured earlier this year are disturbing.​
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. . .​
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Forbes said the Obama administration is withholding information about how the 10 U.S. sailors were treated when they were captured earlier this year after drifting into Iranian territorial waters in the Persian Gulf.​
(emphasis added)​
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You might not know it, but it is perfectly legal to capture foreign troops that you apprehend within your own territory.

The sailors were detained for a whole 15 hours and then returned to US jurisdiction.

As far as "tortured" is concerned, there have been no substantiated details released that come even remotely close to describing "torture" - no matter how you want to interpret this video. But this video (WARNING! The bit starting at around 1:41 of the second video is particularly offensive) clearly establishes how solid your conclusions are.




Yes, I know that you believe that. Whether that is because that is what you want to believe that one of "Those People" (who are all morally depraved criminals) would do or because it is something that someone whom you have been told you have to believe has told you that you have to believe isn't really all that important.
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You might not know it, but it's a violation of international law to hold foreign servicemen hostage and demand ransom and to torture them.
 
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TU Curmudgeon said:
Yes, I am sure that you believe that.



Did you know that it is illegal for anyone to receive help from a foreign power in an American election EVEN IF THEY LOSE THE ELECTION? Mr. Trump has had over three years to have indictments brought down for the "foreign assistance" that you believe the DNC and Ms. Clinton received.

Doesn't the fact that no indictments have been brought down give you some slight hint as to the substance of the allegation that you just parroted?
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Either you are pretending not to know what has happened in the world since the day Trump was elected or you are truly ignorant.

You tell me which it is.
 
Utility Man said:
Who would have thought...

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...welcome to trumps A"me"rica.
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Fake news -- some Vindman type inside the CIA says Putin's got a bounty for US troops, and you automatically believe it. Stupid.
 
apdst said:
Why did Obama classify that information, then?
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Why didn't Mr. Trump de-classify it?

apdst said:
Torture, or no torture, the Iranians committed war crimed and Obama rewarded them for it.
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If I had even the vaguest reason to suspect that you had the foggiest idea of what "war crimes" actually are, I might be able to stop laughing at that statement.
 
apdst said:
You might not know it, but it's a violation of international law to hold foreign servicemen hostage and demand ransom and to torture them.
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They were not "held hostage", and no "ransom" was demanded for their return, and there was no "torture".

Isn't it amazing how many mistakes you can cram into a single sentence?
 
Mycroft said:
Either you are pretending not to know what has happened in the world since the day Trump was elected or you are truly ignorant.

You tell me which it is.
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Sorry, but I don't answer "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" questions.

Even if asked by people who appear to have enough intelligence to actually believe that they make sense.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From Associated Press


Foreign threats loom ahead of US presidential election
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NEW YORK (AP) — As the Nov. 3 presidential vote nears, there are fresh signs that the nation’s electoral system is again under attack from foreign adversaries.

Intelligence officials confirmed in recent days that foreign actors are actively seeking to compromise the private communications of “U.S. political campaigns, candidates and other political targets” while working to compromise the nation’s election infrastructure. Foreign entities are also aggressively spreading disinformation intended to sow voter confusion heading into the fall.

There is no evidence that America’s enemies have yet succeeded in penetrating campaigns or state election systems, but Democrat Joe Biden’s presidential campaign confirmed this week that it has faced multiple related threats.

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When asked directly, the Trump campaign refused to say whether it had accepted materials related to Biden from any foreign nationals. . . .

A Biden spokesman said “absolutely not” when asked if the campaign had received any materials from foreign actors.

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That "refused to say" is pretty telling in light of Mr. Trump's previous statements about accepting electoral assistance from foreign powers and in light of Mr. Barr's statement (since resiled from [at least in public]) that it wasn't necessarily improper for a presidential candidate to accept assistance from foreign powers.

The logical conclusion is that either:


  1. Mr. Trump IS receiving electoral assistance from foreign powers knowing that such is illegal because Mr. Barr has told him so;
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  2. Mr. Trump IS receiving electoral assistance from foreign powers NOT knowing that such is illegal because Mr. Barr has NOT told him so;
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  3. Mr. Trump IS receiving electoral assistance from foreign powers after Mr. Barr has told him that such is illegal because Mr. Trump believes that he knows more about law (he has a "natural talent for such things") than Mr. Barr and so it doesn't matter that Mr. Barr told him it was illegal to do so because Mr. Trump "goes with his gut" and his gut told him that it was just peachy keen to accept electoral assistance from foreign powers;
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  4. Mr. Trump is attempting to hide the fact that foreign powers are attempting to inter-meddle in the 2020 elections;
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  5. Mr. Trump simply doesn't care if foreign powers are attempting to inter-meddle in the 2020 elections because he knows that he is going to be re-elected in the biggest landslide in American history;
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  6. Mr. Trump simply doesn't care if foreign powers are attempting to inter-meddle in the 2020 elections because he knows that he is going to lose despite what any foreign powers do;
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    or
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  7. some combination of two, or more, of the above.
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I seem to recall denials by the Hillary campaign about all the things we now know they did, work with the Steele dossier writer and with the intelligence agencies. Come on, democrats never even allowed the FBI to look at its server they claimed was hacked. liars are always liars.
 
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