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Court orders release of Black Michigan teen who was jailed for missing schoolwork

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Court orders release of Black Michigan teen who was jailed for missing schoolwork | TheHill

It took this long to overturn and idiot Judges decision- missed homework during Covid while home schooled. Yes she was on probation.
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Another example of a dysfunctional Judge


The Michigan Court of Appeals ordered the release of a Black 15-year-old who was detained for failing to complete schoolwork during the pandemic, a case that had drawn nationwide attention and scrutiny.

Detroit News reports that the court overturned a previous ruling that said the teen violated her probation by missing homework. The court blasted the previous ruling, calling it "callous" and ordered the teen, known only as Grace, to be immediately released to her mother's custody.

A report by ProPublica earlier this month first shed light on Grace's case, as it noted that she was on probation for fighting with her mother and stealing, but there were reportedly no other examples of students taken into custody for failing to complete schoolwork.
 
On probation for fighting with her mother and stealing. I assume they mean physical violence. That's a tough call. What did she steal? Her mom's car? So what. Her mother's life savings? Another tough call.

Jailed for missing homework is ridiculous.
 
Court orders release of Black Michigan teen who was jailed for missing schoolwork | TheHill

It took this long to overturn and idiot Judges decision- missed homework during Covid while home schooled. Yes she was on probation.
Whoop De Dew
Another example of a dysfunctional Judge

Most likely it was a probation agreement to keep the teen OUT of jail for a previous offense, so should the teen just have been sent to jail instead of the judge offering the alternative sentence of not missing assignments?
 
Most likely it was a probation agreement to keep the teen OUT of jail for a previous offense, so should the teen just have been sent to jail instead of the judge offering the alternative sentence of not missing assignments?

Yes, it was a condition. She's 15, and whatever was between her and her mother is apparently resolved. There's a pandemic. Locking her up during a pandemic, when she likely spent almost all of her time at home anyway, would seem rather cruel and unusual.
 
Most likely it was a probation agreement to keep the teen OUT of jail for a previous offense, so should the teen just have been sent to jail instead of the judge offering the alternative sentence of not missing assignments?

Incarceration for this, during a pandemic. The judge IMHO all kinds of stupid
 
The article does not say, or maybe I missed it, if completing all her schoolwork was a condition of her probation If it was and she failed to uphold her end then I can see why she was sent to jail the same way any other teen would be for violating their probation. If completing all her schoolwork was not part of her probation and the judge made some wacky interpretation then I would agree with her immediate release.
 
Yes, it was a condition. She's 15, and whatever was between her and her mother is apparently resolved. There's a pandemic. Locking her up during a pandemic, when she likely spent almost all of her time at home anyway, would seem rather cruel and unusual.

So there should be NO consequences for actions right? If I commit a crime, there is a pandemic, so I shouldn't be jailed right?
 
The article does not say, or maybe I missed it, if completing all her schoolwork was a condition of her probation If it was and she failed to uphold her end then I can see why she was sent to jail the same way any other teen would be for violating their probation. If completing all her schoolwork was not part of her probation and the judge made some wacky interpretation then I would agree with her immediate release.
With acrobats like you doing their work on the internet, it's no wonder this for profit prison thing is a booming business.


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Incarceration for this, during a pandemic. The judge IMHO all kinds of stupid

So again, there should be no consequences for actions right? If I commit a crime, there should be ABSOLUTELY NO jail time because we are in a pandemic right? The law doesn't apply right?
 
So again, there should be no consequences for actions right? If I commit a crime, there should be ABSOLUTELY NO jail time because we are in a pandemic right? The law doesn't apply right?

No, not at all- this IMHO is extreme - Yet the Judge upheld this decision.

Now if ya want to get to the nut of it- was this sentence justified in your opinion?
 
So there should be NO consequences for actions right? If I commit a crime, there is a pandemic, so I shouldn't be jailed right?

Don't put words in my mouth.

A 15 year old girl should not be jailed for failing to do her homework, pandemic or no pandemic. Anything otherwise is cruel and unusual.
 
So there should be NO consequences for actions right? If I commit a crime, there is a pandemic, so I shouldn't be jailed right?

Correct, if you commit the "crime" of missing a homework assignment, you should not be jailed.
 
Don't put words in my mouth.

A 15 year old girl should not be jailed for failing to do her homework, pandemic or no pandemic. Anything otherwise is cruel and unusual.

It was an ALTERNATIVE sentence to JAIL to not miss school assignments. So if someone doesn't do their probation are you saying they shouldn't be sent to jail?
 
Correct, if you commit the "crime" of missing a homework assignment, you should not be jailed.

Was the original crime "missing a homework assignment" or was it "alternative to jail" that was given for a sentence that would have landed in jail to being with?
 
With acrobats like you doing their work on the internet, it's no wonder this for profit prison thing is a booming business.


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That has absolutely zero to do with if completing her schoolwork was a condition of her probation or not. If it was and she violated those conditions there are consequences. If completing her schoolwork was not part of her probation then this judge was totally out of line.


Do you think someone on probation should not have to face any consequences if they violate their probation?
 
Was the original crime "missing a homework assignment" or was it "alternative to jail" that was given for a sentence that would have landed in jail to being with?

Homework assignments shouldn't be part of a probation sentence, because of exactly this scenario.
 
It was an ALTERNATIVE sentence to JAIL.

I realize that. The agreement is unrealistic and overly punitive. She's 15. The agreement can focus on keeping her out of trouble without bringing schoolwork into the mix. Everybody misses assignments. I have. Have you not?
 
That has absolutely zero to do with if completing her schoolwork was a condition of her probation or not. If it was and she violated those conditions there are consequences. If completing her schoolwork was not part of her probation then this judge was totally out of line.


Do you think someone on probation should not have to face any consequences if they violate their probation?

I think homework is an absurd and clearly unconstitutional item to add to a probation.
 
Or, you know, we could just drop the habit of sending kids to jail...
 
I realize that. The agreement is unrealistic and overly punitive. She's 15. The agreement can focus on keeping her out of trouble without bringing schoolwork into the mix. Everybody misses assignments. I have. Have you not?

Yes, I have missed assignments when I was attending high school or college in the past. Of course I didn't miss assignments as a CONDITION OF PROBATION. So again, you are arguing that conditions of probation are "ok" to be missed without consequences. You realize the idea of probation is to complete it so you DON'T GO BACK TO JAIL. Do you understand that, yes or no?

So if you are given an objective to keep you out of jail, what do you think the punishment should be if you don't complete it?
 
Yes, I have missed assignments when I was attending high school or college in the past. Of course I didn't miss assignments as a CONDITION OF PROBATION. So again, you are arguing that conditions of probation are "ok" to be missed without consequences. You realize the idea of probation is to complete it so you DON'T GO BACK TO JAIL. Do you understand that, yes or no?

So if you are given an objective to keep you out of jail, what do you think the punishment should be if you don't complete it?

Did you read the post you quoted at all?
 
Or, you know, we could just drop the habit of sending kids to jail...

Yeah, if a kid commits a crime, they should be exempt from any jail time. I'm sure THAT will go well, what could go wrong? :roll:
 
I think homework is an absurd and clearly unconstitutional item to add to a probation.

I'm not familiar with the case, but generally, PO's don't have to violate their clients. It's kinda hard to believe her PO would violate her for this. Was there something else going on?
 
I think homework is an absurd and clearly unconstitutional item to add to a probation.

What part of the constitution do you think it violates?
 
Did you read the post you quoted at all?

Yes I did, did you? Point to my error if you think I made one? Are you saying the probation shouldn't have been offered at all and the teen sent to jail instead of offering a probation?
 
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