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Appeals Court Erases Order to End Michael Flynn Case, Sets New Arguments

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WASHINGTON — The entire Federal Appeals Court in Washington said on Thursday that it would take up a case involving Attorney General William P. Barr’s decision to drop the prosecution of President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, erasing a split decision by a three-judge panel in June ordering an immediate end to the case.
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A terse order from the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said that a majority of its members had voted to vacate a June 24 panel decision ordering the immediate dismissal of the case against Mr. Flynn, and set oral arguments before the full court for Aug. 11.
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Source: (NYT) Appeals Court Erases Order to End Michael Flynn Case, Sets New Arguments

It appears Flynn's dismissal has been vacated. I didn't know for sure if the court would take the case en banc, but I believe now that they did - the court will rule against Flynn.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (NYT) Appeals Court Erases Order to End Michael Flynn Case, Sets New Arguments

It appears Flynn's dismissal has been vacated. I didn't know for sure if the court would take the case en banc, but I believe now that they did - the court will rule against Flynn.
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If so, then IMO the Democrat majority will prove that it has no respect for actual law, or precedent, and has become completely political.

I'd expect the Government may submit a request for a writ of mandamus directly to SCOTUS requesting relief.

I guess we'll have to see how it goes then.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
If so, then IMO the Democrat majority will prove that it has no respect for actual law, or precedent, and has become completely political.

I'd expect the Government may submit a request for a writ of mandamus directly to SCOTUS requesting relief.

I guess we'll have to see how it goes then.
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Flynn appealed before the Judge made his decision
Horse-cart thingy
The old time logic ya forgot.
 
I don't get it. Even if there was concrete evidence that Flynn did lie to the FBI (which there isn't), with all the newly uncovered evidence showing that the FBI and Mueller team used coercion to obtain the guilty plea, acted unethically in investigating and interviewing Flynn without proper predication, the fact that there was a political conflict of interest with Flynn's original legal team who advised him to accept the plead deal, and the fact that the DOJ recognized this and dropped the case against him, isn't it customary in our legal system for the charges to be dropped and the defendant be released regardless of guilt?

When you take into account that the FBI report on their interview with Flynn, didn't even note the question he supposedly lied about, and the 2 investigators that conducted the interview both reported back to their superiors that they didn't believe Flynn had lied or had been deceptive with them, this whole thing makes absolutely no sense to me at all.

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Captain Adverse said:
If so, then IMO the Democrat majority will prove that it has no respect for actual law, or precedent, and has become completely political.

I'd expect the Government may submit a request for a writ of mandamus directly to SCOTUS requesting relief.

I guess we'll have to see how it goes then.
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pretty much . i find it funny that they are reviewing this case when they already ruled on it.
 
Flynn plead guilty twice.


His big problem is Trump doesn't have friends. Trump's enemies want to screw Flynn over to punish Trump.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (NYT) Appeals Court Erases Order to End Michael Flynn Case, Sets New Arguments

It appears Flynn's dismissal has been vacated. I didn't know for sure if the court would take the case en banc, but I believe now that they did - the court will rule against Flynn.
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And as the system is designed to work when prosecutors and courts fail to protect even the basic tenets of fairness and due process--- the final arbiter may end up back with the POTUS and a full pardon. In this case only proof of how vile "the swamp" really is and how this politically motivated Obama administration conspiracy is destroying all confidence in our justice system.

NOBODY could stop Trump's rise 3 years ago. The Republican swamp never Trumpers couldn't do it; the Hillary campaign couldn't do it, "JEB" and that clown show couldn't do it, and in the last days of the Obama administration they couldn't do it either.

Here is news: America didn't elect Trump because they love Donald Trump. American elected Trump because they hate the corrupt Democrat AND Republican swamp. The same system BTW which denied Bernie Saunders any real shot at being nominated. A stacked deck perpetuated by TWO parties working in cahoots and who take turns f****ing over the American people. Donald Trump's biggest sin was he said screw this, I am jumping in front of the line.
 
ludin said:
pretty much . i find it funny that they are reviewing this case when they already ruled on it.
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Is there something about this legal process that you missed?
Nope- they have not ruled on it - 3 Judges did, and guess what, the full court took it up

Now if the full court did not take up the appeal, it would be over

But it ain't and far to many Trump bots are against the legal process playing out.

Now that lady ain't gonna sing quite yet, as it will end up at SCOTUS

5 to 4 decision for the Judge
 
Captain Adverse said:
If so, then IMO the Democrat majority will prove that it has no respect for actual law, or precedent, and has become completely political.

I'd expect the Government may submit a request for a writ of mandamus directly to SCOTUS requesting relief.

I guess we'll have to see how it goes then.
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And of course John Roberts is too much of a coward to enforce the law.

This only confirms what I’ve been saying, we live in a post constitutional state.
A left wing coup was executed against the constitution years ago and now all that matters is the dictates of democrats. Just wait if Trump pardons Flynn then the courts will simply rule the pardon unconstitutional
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Total tyranny

There is zero legal authority for courts to compel prosecution.

It appears the judicial branch is all on board with kicking off a civil war
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Threatening violence again? Jesus, you're so ****ing pathetic.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Threatening violence again? Jesus, you're so ****ing pathetic.
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I’m not threatening violence. I’m saying that eventually violence is inevitable if there’s no accepted legal norm and a partisan process is targeting only one political side.
 
Grim17 said:
I don't get it. Even if there was concrete evidence that Flynn did lie to the FBI
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His testimony- after that well ya lost many - all that typing, lost
 
JANFU said:
I figured they would, after this off to SCOTUS
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I suspect that the Supreme Court will decline to hear an appeal.

I doubt that the Appeals Court will get around to even hearing this before September. I am fairly certain that they will rule against Flynn. But they may just drag it out, counting on Trump’s increasing irrelevance.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I’m not threatening violence. I’m saying that eventually violence is inevitable if there’s no accepted legal norm and a partisan process is targeting only one political side.
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Reactionaries are always hinting at violence.

Right wingers, and some of the cheesy tabloid crackpot GOP politicians that they especially love always darkly hint at violence if they don’t get the election results they want.

We heard it in 2004. It accelerated when a black man was the Presidential candidate in 2008 and 12. And the Trumpsters have been at it full throat for a year now.

Now, of course, every time some Trumpster says things like “violence in inevitable”, they wind up running away from their own statements. Shamelessly pretending that they aren’t the ones pushing violence, right after hinting at the opposite.

This is a regular pattern with reactionary right winger and Trumpsters.
 
Captain Adverse said:
If so, then IMO the Democrat majority will prove that it has no respect for actual law, or precedent, and has become completely political.

I'd expect the Government may submit a request for a writ of mandamus directly to SCOTUS requesting relief.

I guess we'll have to see how it goes then.
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Precedent? Please tell me your kidding when trump has crapped all over precedent. Where's his tax returns like every other presidential candidate has turned over for years? Precedent, siding with putin instead of our own intelligence agencies? Precedent, hammering our allies every chance he gets?

The gop and trump have crapped all over every precedent and institution in the country the R's say they love so much. Precedent my arse.
 
Flynn it appears will finally be held accountable for his guilty plea.
 
Captain Adverse said:
If so, then IMO the Democrat majority will prove that it has no respect for actual law, or precedent, and has become completely political.

I'd expect the Government may submit a request for a writ of mandamus directly to SCOTUS requesting relief.

I guess we'll have to see how it goes then.
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Your IMO aside, "actual law and precedent" was on the side of vacating the order. The two judges who sided with Barr, one a Trump appointee, were those, like yourself, motivated by politics. As the article notes, their decision came as a surprise to the legal community.

Under American law, the jury, not a prosecutor or defense counsel, decides the guilt or innocence of a defendant once he has been tried. If there was error in the prosecution, the defendant can appeal.
 
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Michael Cole said:
Some us find it funny that the case is still ongoing when Flynn plead guilty.
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Because he has filed several motions with Sullivan and Sullivan refuses to rule on them.
Sullivan has broken several prior rulings on this case and has trashed past precedent.

He isn't allowed to amicus fish according to the SCOTUS.
If the prosecution wants to drop the charges then he has no choice but to dismiss the case
per the SCOTUS.

The government wasn't play fair will Flynn and broke the plea bargain deal which means that flynn can
and he already filed to change his plea from guilty to not guilty.

Since he can prove that the government was acting in bad faith per past rulings sullivan has no choice but to allow him to
do it.

All of this information has been given to you before and you still have no clue what you are talking about.
 
JANFU said:
Is there something about this legal process that you missed?
Nope- they have not ruled on it - 3 Judges did, and guess what, the full court took it up

Now if the full court did not take up the appeal, it would be over

But it ain't and far to many Trump bots are against the legal process playing out.

Now that lady ain't gonna sing quite yet, as it will end up at SCOTUS

5 to 4 decision for the Judge
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They have ruled on a similar case prior.
they ruled that the executive branch has the ability to
prosecute or not prosecute a case. It doesn't matter if the judge likes it or not.

if they decide to drop the charges then the judge has no ability to say otherwise.

It is sicking that our judicial system is playing politics with a man's life.
it shows just how much corruption has taken over every aspect of our system.
 
Court Jester said:
NOBODY could stop Trump's rise 3 years ago.
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That is only evidence of a shortage of intelligent and decent people voting.

Here is news: America didn't elect Trump because they love Donald Trump. American elected Trump because they hate the corrupt Democrat AND Republican swamp.
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So the degenerates chose an even more corrupt piece of crap instead. Great line of reasoning.
 
To put it another way, what could be more political than a newly appointed attorney general seeking to reverse the prosecution of his President's crony after his own department has prosecuted the guy and obtained a conviction by jury trial.
 
It's sad that he was forced to lie to the FBI and plead guilty to it.



















Oh, wait. No he wasn't.
 
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