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McCain scolds GOP for whacking Obama

jfuh said:
Then the real question must be asked; what is "the dark side"; and why are republican's so easily swayed by "the dark side"?
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Because they're...evil? Is that what you were looking for?
 
ludahai said:
I am a conservative on most issues (though a little more centrist on environmental issues) but the bigotry of many evangelicals forced me to leave the Republican party as they took over the party.
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I've long said that a socially moderate but fiscally conservative party in the image of Goldwater would totally annihilate the Democrats. Few seem to listen though.
 
TheNextEra said:
No his acting like a bitter and rabid partisan ass along with Palin is what made him lose.

His comments today ring true and the GOP should listen.
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LOL.

McCain had the weakest, most flawed socialist candidate in the history of the country and he didn't exploit his weaknesses. Ferraro was right when she said the he got to where he was because of his skin color.

Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Michelle, Khalidi and Pfleger. That is some list of associations that spout poison, or act deviously.

On some issues McCain couldn't smack Obama because he was as liberal as the most left wing member of the senate. On others he was just plain stupid. His pandering remarks about illegal immigration were offensive to Republicans because they were BS.

McCain was flawed because he's a lib, but not tragically flawed like Obama.

That's what Republicans get for letting libs and I's nominate the candidate.

Now this blarney about Blago-ObamaRhama. McCain's an OK guy but he is politically a lost soul.
 
obvious Child said:
I've long said that a socially moderate but fiscally conservative party in the image of Goldwater would totally annihilate the Democrats. Few seem to listen though.
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Reagan wasn't socially moderate, and he walked all over the leftists, who are more nutso today than ever.

They R's need somebody that can articulate conservatism and help rebuild the conservative movement. Bush didn't and isn't a conservative.

The proof is all the special elections were won by conservatives.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Hey, we tried your liberal, now try ours. :mrgreen:
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LOL. Do we have a choice?

We can fight and educate. That's all we have left.
That's OK, we learned a huge lesson. Defeat does that.
We need to rebuild conservatism.

After Carter came Reagan.
After Obama... Palin?

Regardless, Obama will be semi-lame in 24 months as the election cycle gears up to clean up the doo doo that leaked out of Obama's diapers.

It will be interesting to watch the second coming of Carter... Big teeth, socialist, naive world and economic views. Only difference is skin tone.

Problem for Libs is the luster of Obama will wear off.
People will have buyer's remorse.
We do not take it well being told we are the problem.
We aren't.
Government is.
60 years of socialism to be precise.
The country still has a conservative soul.
Tax cuts always appeal, because it is central to Freedom.
Independence.
The American Spirit.

That's why we have greater prospects over the long haul.

Just think of how you guys won the last elections:
1. Foley.
2. Voting for and then pissing on the war.
3. A candidate with no record, and a hollow message.

Not the foundation for future domination.
Reagan built ours. We have to go back to it and explain it.
"It" being American exceptionalism. Freedom from government. Individual rights.
 
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MrVicchio said:
When a liberal says the GOP should listen... that's most of what's wrong with the GOP right now, listening to moderates and liberals.
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Yes, God Forbid a party listen to what the majority of Americans believe... Lets let the small group of people who have it figured out run things... now where have I seen that before...

Anyways, I read in a sociology book, I believe it was 101, that as moderates and parties move away from each other it allows the more extreme agendas to be set on both sides, left and right... be careful what you wish for. Disassociation with the moderates of society is the cause of the far-left/right controlling our most sacred of offices.
 
Truth Detector said:
No one is saying "We need to get back to our hardcore, fundamentalist conservative roots".

That is the words of a Liberal and the mainstream drive-by media.

McCain's version of Conservatism is a Washington insider view of the word. His views were not that much more distinguishable from Obama's. The amusing thing about Obama's campaign is he was sounding just like a Conservative with his populist message about giving 97% of Americans, which is a lie, tax deductions.

The issue for the Republican Party is to get back on message; limited Government, lower taxes and fiscal responsibility with a strong military for defense and protecting our allies.

America is not lurching to Socialism. Americans, in their lemming like way as predicted by Osama Bin Laden, have no stomach for war and commitment. This is why any new platform for the Republicans must also include never committing forces for anyone unless it is a direct threat to American lives.

By the way, this was one of your best posts and very different from stuff I have seen from the past; kudos.
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Rush Much?:roll:
 
zimmer said:
Reagan wasn't socially moderate, and he walked all over the leftists, who are more nutso today than ever.
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LOL. No one said Reagan was. And if you think that leftists today are more nutso, you clearly need to hit the books. I wonder how you think protests are the same as open terrorism.

And Reagan was a massive fiscal liberal who promoted dictatorships around the world as well as state sponsored terrorism
 
JoeDavies said:
You don't know what socialism is.
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Oh my. Another one like the other ones.

Our government spends $3 trillion dollars a year.
3,000,000,000,000.

I wouldn't mind if all of it was for military, police, border control, prisons, intel services.

It's not, and not by a long shot.

For 2009, the base budget rose to US$515.4 billion, with a total of US$651.2 billion when emergency discretionary spending and supplemental spending are included.
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Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The rest is largely poured down the crapper for socialist projects.
Sociali$m.

PS. J'us aye non.
 
zimmer said:
Oh my. Another one like the other ones.

Our government spends $3 trillion dollars a year.
3,000,000,000,000.

I wouldn't mind if all of it was for military, police, border control, prisons, intel services.

It's not, and not by a long shot.


Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The rest is largely poured down the crapper for socialist projects.
Sociali$m.

PS. J'us aye non.
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Capitalism is an economic system in which land, capital goods, and other resources, are owned, operated and traded by private individuals or corporations for the purpose of profit. In a capitalist system, private control of these productive enterprises is protected by the rule of law. A capitalist legal system protects the exchange and distribution of capital between legal or private persons, which is driven by competition and profit-maximization,[1][2] and where investments, distribution, income, production and pricing of goods, commodities and services are determined by private decision in a market economy[3] rather than through central economic planning by the state. Human labor power is for sale in the market as one of the many commodities.[1]
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Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You live in a country with a mostly capitalist, but mixed economy.
 
zimmer said:
Oh my. Another one like the other ones.

Our government spends $3 trillion dollars a year.
3,000,000,000,000.

I wouldn't mind if all of it was for military, police, border control, prisons, intel services.

It's not, and not by a long shot.
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The military, police, border control, prisons and intel serves are all examples of socialism. Services and goods that all benefit by, paid for by citizen taxation and that are government controlled.

The rest is largely poured down the crapper for socialist projects.
Sociali$m.

PS. J'us aye non.
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That's debatable. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are not cut and dry examples of socialism as virtually everyone pays into them. To some degree it is return of money. That's not socialism.
 
danarhea said:
You know, TD. It is not only John McCain who disagrees with you. Newt Gingrich disagrees with you too. And I don't think for a minute that you would dare to call Professor Gingrich naive. And as for John McCain, what you call tripe is what is known as honesty. We need more of it. Hell, if McCain had been this candid during the election season, he probably would have won.
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McCain had no better chance of getting elected by trying to be kindler and gentler than he did trying to sound like Obama light. Newt's views on this issue are equally naive.

If you think that Conservatism is losing because they are not kinder and gentler, there is a bridge in Arizona I would like to sell you.

Liberalism is not on the rise in the United States. Conservatism is not dead either. This nation swings from one to the other every decade or so and Americans, with the memory of a lemming, need these constant reminders of why they do not want another Jimmy Carter Presidency.

My belief is that when Obama is done messing EVERYTHING up even more, Americans will be wondering what the hell they were thinking electing someone who is this naive and inexperienced.

Conservatives cannot WIN being Democrat light any more than Democrats can win being Liberal light. Americans either subconsciously or knowingly do not think that they need a Government that actually gets things done. Our forefathers did not design the separation of powers and our Government to get things done; it was designed for the OPPOSITE result, to ensure they could not EASILY get things done and had sufficient deliberation and debate before messing things up.

Government is best when it doesn't get a LOT done. It's when Government DOES things we get into trouble. These comments are specifically related to private property rights and the economy, not the protection of the nation of enforcement of its laws.

Do you honestly think Democrats politically fight kindler and gentler? They are the worst when it comes to denigrating and lying about their opponents; spare me your yet young and naïve positions. You have a lot longer to live in order to dispel some of your misconceptions about the REAL world.
 
obvious Child said:
And Reagan was a massive fiscal liberal who promoted dictatorships around the world as well as state sponsored terrorism
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The people promoting Communist Dictatorships throughout the world during Reagan’s Presidency would be the Soviet Union. But then, reality and facts have never been your forte' so I can understand why you would make such a preposterous statement.

Carry on. :2wave:
 
You live in a country with a mostly capitalist, but mixed economy.
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We live in a country that theives trillions from the taxpayer annually to redistribute through socialist schemes.

We have socialist programs and government intervention into the free market up to the ying yang.

Your private property isn't yours any longer. Your property is regulated to the point of silliness.

You work for the government for 4-months of every year.

Graduated taxation is right out of the Communist manifesto.

This is not the country The Founding Fathers created.

And now the Obamatrons want to take another 7% of the economy and put it under government "management".
 
Truth Detector said:
The people promoting Communist Dictatorships throughout the world during Reagan’s Presidency would be the Soviet Union.
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Where did I say Reagan supported that or are you making up **** as usual to compensate for poor skills?

But then, reality and facts have never been your forte' so I can understand why you would make such a preposterous statement.

Carry on. :2wave:
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Perhaps you should enroll in a basic reading comprehension course at your local community college. Please reread what I wrote for comprehension instead of making up whatever you want.
 
obvious Child said:
The military, police, border control, prisons and intel serves are all examples of socialism. Services and goods that all benefit by, paid for by citizen taxation and that are government controlled.
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That is not socialism. It is the basis for national security and an orderly society, otherwise we would have anarchy.

I'm a conservative, not an anarchist. Society requires some laws in order to protect the public.

It would be nice to live in a utopia where all people made moral decisions all the time. We don't.
 
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zimmer said:
That is not socialism. It is the basis for national security and an orderly society, otherwise we would have anarchy.
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How are they not socialism? They are a communal good/service owned and provided by the government which provides a benefit for all paid for by public taxation. How is that not Socialism?
 
obvious Child said:
How are they not socialism? They are a communal good/service owned and provided by the government which provides a benefit for all paid for by public taxation. How is that not Socialism?
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It's not socialism because you cannot just fabricate a new definition of socialism to suit your arguments.
 
obvious Child said:
Too bad that communal ownership and delivery of services and goods to all citizens equally paid for by taxation is socialism.
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Now, I'm not arguing against that.

The problem is that how you were defining socialism wasn't the definition of socialism.

Seriously, where do you get this notion that the provision of national defense and public safety reflect socialism. By such a standard, then all nations which provide national defense and public safety or any other government-subsidized service is socialist.

Do you realy believe that is what socialism represents? Do you believe that the provision of defense and public safety exceeds the thresshold of governance to be considered socialist?

:roll:
 
JMak said:
Now, I'm not arguing against that.

The problem is that how you were defining socialism wasn't the definition of socialism.
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Aside from being wrong, what else do you have to say?

Seriously, where do you get this notion that the provision of national defense and public safety reflect socialism. By such a standard, then all nations which provide national defense and public safety or any other government-subsidized service is socialist.
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Good job on finally realizing that socialism is a necessary part of all functioning countries. Furthermore, good job on finally learning that socialism ranges in a variety of aspects and degrees. Socialism is far more then people often tend to think it is. Providing a communal governess owned good/service that is dictated in use by government for the citizens paid for by taxation of those citizens is Socialism. How is that not the definition again? :2wave:

Do you realy believe that is what socialism represents? Do you believe that the provision of defense and public safety exceeds the thresshold of governance to be considered socialist?
:roll:
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Read the definition of socialism and get back to me.
 
obvious Child said:
Aside from being wrong, what else do you have to say?
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I'm not sure what I was wrong about.

Good job on finally realizing that socialism is a necessary part of all functioning countries.
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Good job at completely neutering what it is that socialism is.

Furthermore, good job on finally learning that socialism ranges in a variety of aspects and degrees. Socialism is far more then people often tend to think it is. Providing a communal governess owned good/service that is dictated in use by government for the citizens paid for by taxation of those citizens is Socialism. How is that not the definition again? :2wave:
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Um, I learned this long ago. I also learned long ago that people often twist whatever is they have to make their point more convenient.

Read the definition of socialism and get back to me.
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I have. How does national defense and public safety as provided here in the US make the US a socialist nation?

I'll be waiting.
 
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