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[W:122] What We Know About the Austin BLM Protest Shooting

NWRatCon said:
Did you bother to even read the OP? "Witnesses and police say that the motorist fired on Foster after he approached the vehicle, and that Foster did not fire his weapon" - it's in the OP, plain as day. "Manley said that the first person who appeared to fire was the driver, and then a second person (not Foster) drew a concealed handgun and opened fire on the car as it drove away."
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From what he's claimed (and failed to prove) I suspect he fell victim to believing some narrative on a Reddit or Alex Jones type site while not actually bothering to check the facts. I mean how else can one go from "man in red screaming and getting everyone's attention" to "well it was one person". And the best part is he made the claim about the guy screaming on a video with nothing heard outside the car. :lamo
 
NWRatCon said:
I didn't see earlier in the thread that the shooter had been identified: Dallas attorney names shooter linked to Austin protester death (ABC Local). According to his attorney, he is a Soldier and a rideshare driver who had dropped off a fare down the street, and was "unaware" of protests going on. If he had a fare, that would be easy to verify. Being a rideshare driver would explain his erratic driving.

A related story: Soldier who shot Austin protester Garrett Foster reveals identity, claims self defense, attorney says (NBC local)
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Thanks for this. I thought it odd that after so long his name hadn't been released. There was speculation he was law enforcement as well as talk he was military.

I'm not sure I believe his claims he wasn't aware there was a protest in the area because generally I think driver's (including cabs and even grub hub) will use GPS for alerts to possibly delays in their area so they can avoid them. Police were actively involved with this protest so it's not like it was a secret. In my area alerts are sent out by local police about protests that are affecting traffic and then updates when things are clear.
 
NWRatCon said:
I didn't see earlier in the thread that the shooter had been identified: Dallas attorney names shooter linked to Austin protester death (ABC Local). According to his attorney, he is a Soldier and a rideshare driver who had dropped off a fare down the street, and was "unaware" of protests going on. If he had a fare, that would be easy to verify. Being a rideshare driver would explain his erratic driving.

A related story: Soldier who shot Austin protester Garrett Foster reveals identity, claims self defense, attorney says (NBC local)
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All fun and games until he's being investigated for murder I suppose. Clearly he wasn't some oblivious pizza delivery guy with no knowledge protests were happening.

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NWRatCon said:
It certainly didn't start well. This is what happens when people feel impunity about using firearms in public places. Since Foster was military-trained, I can almost guarantee he didn't raise his rifle, and witnesses (other than the shooter) confirm that. I think we're going to find out the shooter had a prior history.
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Actually, there are witness statements saying that Foster did indeed raise his gun towards the driver. It just depends on where you look at this point, seeing as this is going to be one of those highly politicized instances of gun violence.
 
NWRatCon said:
This is not going to work out well for him.
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Dude probably knew full well there were protestors on that street before he was even nearby. Figured he'd drive into them, they'd react by banging on the car and could take a few out while trying to escape. He never figured he'd have a guy with a rifle come up to his window and kill somebody instead of just injuring a handful and get away with self defense.
 
SkyFox76 said:
So are you suggesting that building moves closer to the corner when it gets dark? It's far from a blind corner and you can see his headlights shining on the line of people before he's barely turning. Trying to argue he couldn't or didn't see them doesn't go in his favor. Instead it points out he was careless to turn as quickly as he did and that he failed what most people learn is basic common sense.

As I said, if he couldn't see all those people his headlights were shining on then he shouldn't even be driving.
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You think its easy to spot people walking in the middle of the road at night before making the turn? The whole thing unfolded within seconds, and anybody could have made that kind of mistake.

So far you have consistently failed to prove this was a deliberate act on his part. Your thinking is completely binary-you believe that the protestors are always good, and anyone that gets in their way is bad.
 
PoS said:
You think its easy to spot people walking in the middle of the road at night before making the turn? The whole thing unfolded within seconds, and anybody could have made that kind of mistake.

So far you have consistently failed to prove this was a deliberate act on his part. Your thinking is completely binary-you believe that the protestors are always good, and anyone that gets in their way is bad.
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You're actually not helping his case here. Basic driver's education teaches you to use caution turning onto blind curve or corner. There were people literally in front of him before he even reached the corner. His headights clearly lit up several people before he actually made his full turn and by law it was on him to avoid hitting those people, not continue wheeling around the corner.

As far as deliberate? His Tweets show how he responded to Trump by saying to send protestors to Texas and let them see how they're dealt with. And then what do you know? He drives right into a group of protestors and kills one.

Maybe you'd do better trying to defend guy that plastered two women on his windshield. I mean he was going through withdrawals from Percocet, had an additional addiction. Not to mention drug paraphernalia and a white powder substance in his car. I've not seen him making any tweets threatening anyone.
 
snakestretcher said:
Very good; the gun is clearly pointing at the floor. The stock is by his right ear and the barrel is below the level of the car window, 'aimed' at the road surface.
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Actually the degree would put him towards the door of the car. Though motion is hard to tell from pictures alone an the last time I saw the video this one was pulled from, he's partially blocked.

Either way, it's still him and everyone else crowding around a car and threatening the driver.

This is not going to be a clean case for anyone trying to represent Foster's side in court.
 
SkyFox76 said:
You're actually not helping his case here. Basic driver's education teaches you to use caution turning onto blind curve or corner. There were people literally in front of him before he even reached the corner. His headights clearly lit up several people before he actually made his full turn and by law it was on him to avoid hitting those people, not continue wheeling around the corner.

As far as deliberate? His Tweets show how he responded to Trump by saying to send protestors to Texas and let them see how they're dealt with. And then what do you know? He drives right into a group of protestors and kills one.

Maybe you'd do better trying to defend guy that plastered two women on his windshield. I mean he was going through withdrawals from Percocet, had an additional addiction. Not to mention drug paraphernalia and a white powder substance in his car. I've not seen him making any tweets threatening anyone.
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Ah, so anyone who supports mentioning Trump in a good light must be the bad guy in your eyes. Its really no different from what klansmen think of blacks, so you can put that feather in your cap because youve earned it.
 
PoS said:
Ah, so anyone who supports mentioning Trump in a good light must be the bad guy in your eyes. Its really no different from what klansmen think of blacks, so you can put that feather in your cap because youve earned it.
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Wth are you talking about? Where was there any "mentioning Trump in a good light"? Trump got my vote in the last election. It was going into two years when I started seeing he'd pulled the biggest con in my lifetime and I'm not alone. If this shooter wants to devote his time to Trump I couldn't care less.

That said, the tweet had absolutely zero to do with Trump (in any good light or bad light) and everything to do with the shooters tweets in relation to protestors.
 
Just an update on my request for the audio on this claim.

sjmay said:
Again, demonstrably false, light turns green, dashcam car starts to turn, idiot in the red shirt starts yelling and screaming, drawing attention of everyone, then goes running off when the other car does his thing....but don't let facts get in your way
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When smjay said "facts" he meant made up story.

I just requested the audio for a second time and was handed beyond a shadow of doubt he made the whole thing up.

In his recent reply the man has now gone from screaming to get everyone's attention, to pumping his fist in the air (and his mouth is open, which means he was screaming).

Obvious problem is there was no fist pumping and man has his face covered with a bandana.

But hey, don't let facts gets in the way right? :lamo
 
SkyFox76 said:
Just an update on my request for the audio on this claim.



When smjay said "facts" he meant made up story.

I just requested the audio for a second time and was handed beyond a shadow of doubt he made the whole thing up.

In his recent reply the man has now gone from screaming to get everyone's attention, to pumping his fist in the air (and his mouth is open, which means he was screaming).

Obvious problem is there was no fist pumping and man has his face covered with a bandana.

But hey, don't let facts gets in the way right? :lamo
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Sorry, I don't speak idiot....

I never said he pumped his fist in the air....it's clear he was yelling....if you can't tell that, I can't help you, with or without a bandana, it's pretty ****ing easy to tell when someone is yelling....but...****, I forgot, you are growing up in the world of safe spaces and everyone gets a trophy, so yea, it would be clear you have no idea what someone yelling looks like....

As far as the rest of it...good luck....sounds like you need it in life.
 
sjmay said:
Sorry, I don't speak idiot....

I never said he pumped his fist in the air....it's clear he was yelling....if you can't tell that, I can't help you, with or without a bandana, it's pretty ****ing easy to tell when someone is yelling....but...****, I forgot, you are growing up in the world of safe spaces and everyone gets a trophy, so yea, it would be clear you have no idea what someone yelling looks like....

As far as the rest of it...good luck....sounds like you need it in life.
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You actually speak it fluently.

Here was your reply on my second request for audio:

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Nope, but I mean, I guess you might need the audio, if you don't think the guy in the red shirt with his mouth open and fists pumping wasn't yelling....but sure.
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Your entire initial claim was handed to you piece by piece and you couldn't substantiate any of it. Your "getting everyone's attention" crumbled to "thought there were more but guess it was refections". Your fantasy that he's "pumping his fists" is nowhere in the video. Factually he holds his hand up toward the car, then his index finger, then continues to walk until he looks over his shoulder and turns running toward the commotion behind him. The person you decided was the only person acknowledging this fantasy ruckus never once looked at him but instead looks the completely opposite way.

And now you've piled on that his mouth was open (because that fits with the fantasy fist pumps) when you can't even see anything but his eyes.

Shorter version: you lied about all of it, probably thinking no one would question it.

Next time don't tell other people facts are in their way when your "facts" are utter bs.

I grew up in the world of not making up some bull**** claim a man wearing a bandana over his face has his mouth open . You apparently grew up in the world of make up whatever wild tail fits your agenda whether you can back it up or not.
 
SkyFox76 said:
You actually speak it fluently.

Here was your reply on my second request for audio:



Your entire initial claim was handed to you piece by piece and you couldn't substantiate any of it. Your "getting everyone's attention" crumbled to "thought there were more but guess it was refections". Your fantasy that he's "pumping his fists" is nowhere in the video. Factually he holds his hand up toward the car, then his index finger, then continues to walk until he looks over his shoulder and turns running toward the commotion behind him. The person you decided was the only person acknowledging this fantasy ruckus never once looked at him but instead looks the completely opposite way.

And now you've piled on that his mouth was open (because that fits with the fantasy fist pumps) when you can't even see anything but his eyes.

Shorter version: you lied about all of it, probably thinking no one would question it.

Next time don't tell other people facts are in their way when your "facts" are utter bs.

I grew up in the world of not making up some bull**** claim a man wearing a bandana over his face has his mouth open . You apparently grew up in the world of make up whatever wild tail fits your agenda whether you can back it up or not.
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Again....you in your safe space and participation trophies, can't handle what yelling is and what rage looks like.....it's no wonder you can't recognize it on the street.
 
sjmay said:
Again....you in your safe space and participation trophies, can't handle what yelling is and what rage looks like.....it's no wonder you can't recognize it on the street.
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:lamo See, here you are again with the bull****. You went from the guy pumping his fists and having his mouth open, to a stupid notion that you can tell he's yelling underneath the bandana. And I'll bet you still can't show where he was fist pumping can you? Or maybe you just don't know the definition of fist pumping? Is holding up ones open hand toward you fist pumping? Or is it holding up your index finger to suggest hang on a minute? Or maybe it's when he appears to put his hands in his pocket.

You best get back to flipping burgers though, you don't want people fist pumping at the drive thru. :2wave:

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sjmay said:
Again....you in your safe space and participation trophies, can't handle what yelling is and what rage looks like.....it's no wonder you can't recognize it on the street.
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Btw, if you think the man in red is displaying rage? I'd say you're probably the one in need of a safe space.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Btw, if you think the man in red is displaying rage? I'd say you're probably the one in need of a safe space.
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Dude, you are using still photos...when there is a video there....why the **** are you doing that unless you are trying to hide something?

Go back to your safe space....
 
sjmay said:
Dude, you are using still photos...when there is a video there....why the **** are you doing that unless you are trying to hide something?

Go back to your safe space....
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Dude, I gave you the video already when you cried about screenshots.

First you stated the dash cam car was about to meet the same fate as Perry's car, completely ignoring that no other cars had any issues with the protestors. Then you jumped in that the guy in the red shirt was yelling and screaming, drawing the attention of everyone! I had to question if you meant the same red shirt guy and that's when you claimed he was yelling and screaming like the dash cam car hit him and changed your "everyone" to "outlying people".

That's when I gave you screenshots and you cried about not using the video, so I gave you the video, along with when he's first coming into view and eventually turns and runs back to where Perry's car is stopped. At that point you decided he started yelling when you can't even see his he's wearing the bandana over his face. You also had to change your claims from "everyone" and "outlying" people to one single person because the people you "thought were on the left were just reflections". :doh

You still kept on about the ruckus the guy in red was making so I asked you to provide the audio. And poof, you magically vanished until today on another thread I asked you about the audio. That's when you invented the fist pumps and his mouth being open was proof he was screaming. Even more ludicrous you seem to have this special talent to know when a person is screaming while a bandana is covering their face!

But here you go. Prove your claims.



Or better yet, just man up and admit you made up the entire scenario. :thumbs:
 
Just watched a report that stated Perry had been driving around that day since 11am.

But yet he was clueless around 10 hours later that Congress had protestors on it?

More convinced that he went there to instigate a confrontation, not knowing he'd end up wetting his pants when he got a reaction out of a guy with an AK 47.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Just watched a report that stated Perry had been driving around that day since 11am.

But yet he was clueless around 10 hours later that Congress had protestors on it?

More convinced that he went there to instigate a confrontation, not knowing he'd end up wetting his pants when he got a reaction out of a guy with an AK 47.
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I suspect it was the guy with the AK47 that wet his pants. And 2 minutes earlier there were no protesters on Congress where the incident occurred.
 
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