JMak
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Did you even read your own articles before posting them?
I didn't...help me out.
Did you even read your own articles before posting them?
I do. Now, answer my question.Did you even read your own articles before posting them?
I do. Now, answer my question.
You're dodging, and poorly.Does this mean you are pretending the missile shield is only for our nation now?
Does this mean you are pretending the missile shield is only for our nation now?
You're dodging, and poorly.
Nothing in the article I posted or in any of my statements makes any mention of what nations the US NMD is intended to protect -- and it CERTAINLY makes no mention of Israel.
So, I ask aagin:
How does the NMD affect Iran sending a missile towards Israel after they attack Iran's nuclear program?
The U.S. military is set to run a "realistic" test Friday of a system built to knock out long-range missiles that could be fired by North Korea or Iran, the Pentagon said.
U.S. military sets high-stakes missile-shield test
JMak said:You going to help me out or not? I asked nicely.
Do you really lack the capacity to click on a link and read? Or are you just trying to bait me.
So you never had any intention of following through when you posted an offer to assist someone?
So you're a liar then...
Well known fact, eh?It is well known fact that Israel is included under the missile shield. Any successful technology in this area will be shared/sold with Israel.
Why are you here JMak? If you're going to distort my words and call me a liar at least do it with something of substance. This is petty, even for you.
Does this mean you are pretending the missile shield is only for our nation now?
Well known fact, eh?
The you should have no problems showing where the plan for the NMD or the NMD in Europe is designed or intended to - or even has the capability to - protect Israel.
I'd be particulaly interested in the operational parameters that actually allow such a thing.
You're right, Israel is not officially included in the defense blanket. They just get access to all of the US missile defense technology and funding from our congress. The proof that US developed Missile defense systems have protected Israel is glaringly obvious. They currently use the Arrow II, mostly developed and paid for by the US. Every year part of our defense budget goes towards joint missile defense endeavors of Israel and the US.
My point is that there is no reasonable threat to the US where these missiles would be useful, except in the case of a counterattack to US aggression. Israel is an entirely different matter. They have have a legitimate claim for the need of these missiles.
So you agree that your scenario has nothing to do with the NMD. Thanks.You're right, Israel is not officially included in the defense blanket.
I havent heard or read anythig that supports the idea that Israel has been given access to NMD tech. Please provide a citation.They just get access to all of the US missile defense technology and funding from our congress
You're confused. The NMD has nothing to do with tactical area-defense missle systems like the Patriot/Arrow.The proof that US developed Missile defense systems have protected Israel is glaringly obvious. They currently use the Arrow II, mostly developed and paid for by the US. Every year part of our defense budget goes towards joint missile defense endeavors of Israel and the US.
...in the cae of NK or Iran or any number of other contries developing delivery systams that can reach the US or Europe.My point is that there is no reasonable threat to the US where these missiles would be useful, except...
This position is unsupportable, as noted above....in the case of a counterattack to US aggression.
So you agree that your scenario has nothing to do with the NMD. Thanks.
I havent heard or read anythig that supports the idea that Israel has been given access to NMD tech. Please provide a citation.
You're confused. The NMD has nothing to do with tactical area-defense missle systems like the Patriot/Arrow.
The X-band radar would detect and track airborne targets at greater range and with better precision than current Israeli systems, thereby improving the odds of Israel’s Arrow interceptors striking incoming missile targets, Defense News reported in August. Israel is particularly concerned about Iran’s missile capabilities.
U.S. Installs Missile Defense Radar in Israel
U.S. Missile Defense Radar in Israel to Become Operational Next Month
If this isn't evidence I think you need to specifically define what you consider related to NMD and what is not.
This is exidence of a missile defense radar, and nothng more. It doesnt tie this radar to the NMD, nor is it evidence that we are giving Israel technology related to the NMD. X-band radars are used for several ABM systems, and so the installation of an X-band radar isnt necessarily tied in any way to the US NMD.U.S. Missile Defense Radar in Israel to Become Operational Next Month
If this isn't evidence I think you need to specifically define what you consider related to NMD and what is not.
These aren't NMD interceptors, these are theater- and area-defense interceptors designed to stop IRBM and tactical battlefield missiles, not the ICBMs the NMD is designed to engage....thereby improving the odds of Israel’s Arrow interceptors striking incoming missile targets...
Yes. The NMD is a specific system with a specific role within the BMD umbrella.I'd agree if you were saying that missile defense is a layered one with multiple systems being coordinated to provide missile defense (local/theatre system, sea-borne radar w/Block SAMs, airborne shoot-down systems, ICBM interceptors, etc). But theatre-specific systems, while probably having some application within the larger defense umbrella, really ain't the NMD. It is but a layer.
This is evidence of something Goobie didn't disagree with, i.e., Goobie didn't disagree with your assertion that Israel receives missile defense technology and systems like Arrow.
He is saying that MD systems like Arrow/Patriot are different in kind from a NMD system.
Are you arguing that theatre-wide air defense systems are associated with NMD?
I'd agree if you were saying that missile defense is a layered one with multiple systems being coordinated to provide missile defense (local/theatre system, sea-borne radar w/Block SAMs, airborne shoot-down systems, ICBM interceptors, etc). But theatre-specific systems, while probably having some application within the larger defense umbrella, really ain't the NMD. It is but a layer.
How dare we provide protection for our allies!! We should let them sort out their own affairs because we know that it never ends up being our problem too, mein fuhrer/comrade. :roll:It is certain elements of it that are unnecessary, like providing defense in the form of interceptors and radar to other countries(Poland/Czech/Israel). These parts of the program promote political divisiveness with essentially no gain for the US.
How dare we provide protection for our allies!! We should let them sort out their own affairs because we know how well that works. :roll:
You're right, lets give Israel the best damn missile defense system money can buy. That way when they attack Iran's nuclear facilities, Iran won't be able to counter-attack! I wonder what will happen when you corner an extremist country and provoke them? Meh, whatever happens we can just blame it on Islam again, right?
Is everything black and white with you? We either have to give Israel and our allies EVERYTHING or nothing.
You arguments are becoming childish.
apathy incurs its own debt.When we are incurring such a large debt I am critical of any program that does not bring significant gain to us.
You presented a false dichotomy. That was childish.How are my arguments becoming childish?
that's an impossible question to answer with the overly simplified scenario you haved posed. There are just causes for war and Iran is more than capable of instigating such.There is a big difference between coming to the aid of an Allie and preemptively arming them. I certainly do not want to be drawn into a war with Iran, do you?
For the third time people: why do you think interceptor technology is limited to ICBMs?
However, the NMD is intended to keep screwballs like Iran and North Korea from launching a missle or two (up to 50, in its final form) -- Rogue States who are nowhere as predictable.