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Atheists take aim at Christmas

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Perhaps by definition, however given the recent antics of some, there seems to be a clear agenda for a lot of them wouldn't you agree? ;)
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I would. I don't care if religion exists in this world. I take issue with people allowing it to control every facet of their daily lives. When people have one source from which they grasp for their "morals and values", there are bound to be issues.
 
Ikari said:
No, I would say there is a clear agenda for some of them, the minority. The vast majority of atheists don't really care one way or the other.
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Why no? I agree.


Here though in this thread and the "one god" thread, it is clear that some have an agenda.
 
EgoffTib said:
I would. I don't care if religion exists in this world. I take issue with people allowing it to control every facet of their daily lives. When people have one source from which they grasp for their "morals and values", there are bound to be issues.
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What would you care if I got my "morals and values" from a God or a cracker jack box as long as they don't intefere with anothers rights?
 
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dclxvinoise said:
So what? It still doesn't change the fact that we have freedom of religion and that the government isn't supposed to favor one over another. I'd say that's pretty secular.
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The government doesn't.

The people do.

The government reflect the wishes of the people.

It's very important to understand that distinction.


dclxvinoise said:
Yes it does, and I would call that a very secular idea.
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No, it doesn't, as demonstrated.

This nation was not founded as nor intended to be a secular nation.

People seem to be of the opinion that it's either secular or theocracy. Fyi: there are more options the 2 most radical extremes in any issue.

The government is secular in that it may not form a federal religion nor give any church municipal power. However, the government is theist in it's recognition of the cultural vestiges of the people on it's buildings, currency and pledges.

There's nothing harmful about it.
 
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Oh snap! This comp has firefox! w00t :D
 
EgoffTib said:
Because they have a tendency to be forced upon the progeny of the believer.
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So my libertarian friend, You want to get all up in my business on how I am going to raise my kid? :shock:


You the one who believes in meeting "sentient beings" from "other dimensions"....


Is this your argument space cowboy? :lol:
 
Tucker Case said:
IMO, that isn't really a problem. The progeny will eventually do what they feel they need to do.
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I've seen this happen on one occassion in my life... that' it. If you get to them before they have the intellectual capacity to understand the ramifications of belief in God, they tend to accept what they're told as fact.
 
EgoffTib said:
I've seen this happen on one occassion in my life... that' it. If you get to them before they have the intellectual capacity to understand the ramifications of belief in God, they tend to accept what they're told as fact.
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I've seen it happen loads of times. But what exactly are the ramifications of a belief in God? Why should they be avoided?
 
Tucker Case said:
I've seen it happen loads of times. But what exactly are the ramifications of a belief in God? Why should they be avoided?
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That was poorly worded(on my part). What I was trying to say is that you can get to a kid and tell him that Unicorns exist. You can even prove it with the Bible:

NUMBERS 24:8

God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
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I have an issue with people manipulating the minds of those who have not matured enough to understand things.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So my libertarian friend, You want to get all up in my business on how I am going to raise my kid? :shock:
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I didn't say that you were gong to raise your kid in a poor manner. I said that some people manipulate the feeble minds of children and plant hostility into them. See godhatesfags.com

god-hates-fags-kids.jpg



You the one who believes in meeting "sentient beings" from "other dimensions"....
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Incorrect. I said that some DMT users believe they are encountering beings from other dimensions. I am not a DMT user, so I would not fall into that category.
 
EgoffTib said:
I didn't say that you were gong to raise your kid in a poor manner. I said that some people manipulate the feeble minds of children and plant hostility into them. See godhatesfags.com

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What makes you think these people are anything "Of God"? If this ain't a photoshop (i suspect it is) do you think nutbaggery is limited to goofball cults or do you think some atheists can be just as nutty? :roll:



Incorrect. I said that some DMT users believe they are encountering beings from other dimensions. I am not a DMT user, so I would not fall into that category.
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Incorrect:


ego said:
Most people trip off of DMT and encounter sentient beings from another universe.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/religion-philosophy/40599-dmt-spiritual-pathway-beyond.html
 
Jerry said:
The government doesn't.

The people do.

The government reflect the wishes of the people.

It's very important to understand that distinction.
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So then why do we have freedom of religion? I'm sure there are a fair amount of people who don't think that we should have it and that we should have one nationally recognized religion: theirs.

No, it doesn't, as demonstrated.

This nation was not founded as nor intended to be a secular nation.

People seem to be of the opinion that it's either secular or theocracy. Fyi: there are more options the 2 most radical extremes in any issue.

The government is secular in that it may not form a federal religion nor give any church municipal power. However, the government is theist in it's recognition of the cultural vestiges of the people on it's buildings, currency and pledges.

There's nothing harmful about it.
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The fact is that it can be debated back and forth what the founding fathers intended. But until either one of us can get an actual interview or response from one of the founding fathers as to what their original intentions are we aren't going to know. My only point is that the answers aren't going to come from a conservative political commentator or a liberal one for that matter.
 
EgoffTib said:
I have an issue with people manipulating the minds of those who have not matured enough to understand things.
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And I have a problem with people trying to tell me how to raise my children. You are a libertarian? Who should teach them my values if not me? The state?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
What makes you think these people are anything "Of God"? If this ain't a photoshop (i suspect it is) do you think nutbaggery is limited to goofball cults or do you think some atheists can be just as nutty? :roll:
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It's not fake. Hit up GodHatesFags.com. It's an actual church.

As to atheists being nutty, some are. I dislike ANYONE who manipulates children and brainwashes them, regardless of religious affiliation.



Incorrect:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/religion-philosophy/40599-dmt-spiritual-pathway-beyond.html
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Well I should have inserted "claim" into that sentence.
 
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