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Atheists take aim at Christmas

What about the Pagan festival of the son of Isis? That is where Christmas comes from!! What about Yule? Also where do you think the idea of the Xmas tree came from?

Think about when you go to church: all you do is perform Pagan rituals. Even the simple act of a prayer is pagan based because you are doing a ritual! :rofl
 
The Easter Bunny found its way into Christian celebrations of the holiday in Germany and Alsace in the 17th century - more than 1500 years after the first celebration of the holiday. The Easter celebration derives from the Jewish Passover.

Easter is based on fertility goddess Ishtar! ;)
 
What about the Pagan festival of the son of Isis? That is where Christmas comes from!! What about Yule? Also where do you think the idea of the Xmas tree came from?

Think about when you go to church: all you do is perform Pagan rituals. Even the simple act of a prayer is pagan based because you are doing a ritual! :rofl

Ahh, so when an atheist regulerly dones a jersy, watches a game and *gasp* speaks to the players on her screen, acording to you she is therefore not atheist, but pagan, because she is doing a ritual.

Just my opinion here, but you might want to check your logic there.
 
Well, the fact that some Atheists use similar tactics to those whom they oppose makes them look hypocritical.

I used to run a Satanism chat room years ago and we would get tons of Christians coming in and attacking us or questioning us, which is to be expected. A lot of the time they would come in and say "JESUS LOVES YOU!" and leave right away. We called them "drive-by blessings." Anyway, a lot of the non-Christian people who would come in would want us to go to their rooms and attack them. And I never understood why anyone would want to do that. I think that if you are going to try and hold yourself to a higher standard than those whom you oppose, you shouldn't engage in their idiotic tactics. To do the same really makes you no better than they are.

Back when I was going through my Trad. Satanist phase? I had a Satanic Yahoo group and would get a lot of Christians that joined to try to save our souls. :lol:
 
Then please explain to me why LUke 1:31 says, "Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son."? Future tense indicates that the conception has NOT occurred yet, making your claim that the "sixth month" refers to anything but the month of the year.

Because he's talking to Mary. Mary hasn't conceived yet. The Angel visited Mary when Elizabeth was now in her sixth month. Which the Angel tells Mary this at the end of their encounter and Mary runs to see Elizabeth.

None of this of course proves Jesus wasn't conceived in March, it just proves that this specific passage doesn't state he was. As I stated previously, we know Jesus was born 6 months after John the Baptist. If we find out when John was born we will know when Jesus was born. And also as a previously stated, John was born in March and thus Jesus was born in September.
 
Because he's talking to Mary. Mary hasn't conceived yet. The Angel visited Mary when Elizabeth was now in her sixth month. Which the Angel tells Mary this at the end of their encounter and Mary runs to see Elizabeth.

None of this of course proves Jesus wasn't conceived in March, it just proves that this specific passage doesn't state he was. As I stated previously, we know Jesus was born 6 months after John the Baptist. If we find out when John was born we will know when Jesus was born. And also as a previously stated, John was born in March and thus Jesus was born in September.
I see some are even digging for infomation to learn about religion. How wonderful, and they have so much interest in a "fairy tale".
 
Baby Jesus was not born in Dec. It is impossible. But most X-tians refuse to admit this. :mrgreen:

Heh, every year there's someone who thinks it's a big scandle.

Here ya go: When was Jesus Born?

The celibration was tailored to assist pagan asimilation into the church, and it met with respectable efectivness. Everyone knowes, very few care, because it's just as much a reason to party as anyother :2wave:
 
I see some are even digging for infomation to learn about religion. How wonderful, and they have so much interest in a "fairy tale".

I think mythology is very interesting.
 
I see some are even digging for infomation to learn about religion. How wonderful, and they have so much interest in a "fairy tale".

It is fascinating. I can also name all the major Greek Gods and recite the stories of a number of constellations.

Religion is the foundation of many things and has much power of men as a whole. Who wouldn't find that fascinating?
 
It is not logicly posable to corectly interpret congress creating a day for prayer and acknolegment of God as a seculer act.

I'm not saying that people in positions of power within the government have remained secular, but I think that our founding fathers overall intended this to be a secular country. If not, why do we have freedom of religion? It seems to me like that's a pretty secular idea.

However, you clim that there is a liberal comentator who does claim that creating a day for prayer and acknolegment of God is a seculer act. Please give a link to this comentator, or supply an argument of the same yourself.

No, I didn't make that claim at all.
 
It is fascinating. I can also name all the major Greek Gods and recite the stories of a number of constellations.

Religion is the foundation of many things and has much power of men as a whole. Who wouldn't find that fascinating?
Sure, you went to that much trouble just for this thread. Hahahahahah.
 
The purpose of atheism is to rid the world of religion.
 
The purpose of atheism is to rid the world of religion.

That's a pretty absurd claim. I'm sure there are some atheists who feel that way, but atheism as a whole? That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have anything to back it up?
 
No, that's anti-theism. That's different from atheism.
I didn't know that, thought it was just the outermost extreme of Atheism that practiced the attempt at eliminating religion, had never heard of anti-theism before. I have heard however that many of the socialist and communist movements of the 1900's practiced this anti-theism because they learned that if a populace doesn't believe in god overall they tend to be more easily controlled and more prone to fear and dependence of government.
 
I'm not saying that people in positions of power within the government have remained secular, but I think that our founding fathers overall intended this to be a secular country. If not, why do we have freedom of religion? It seems to me like that's a pretty secular idea.

Err, regarding the act to create a day of prayer and thanksgiving for the favors of the almighty God....the founding fathers did that right after making the 1st amendment. Please check my source again.

The 1st amendment prevents a national religion or municipal church, nothing more. Symbols on building, prayer in congres and federaly reconised (as oposed to federaly established) holy-days are all ligit.
 
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I didn't know that, thought it was just the outermost extreme of Atheism that practiced the attempt at eliminating religion, had never heard of anti-theism before. I have heard however that many of the socialist and communist movements of the 1900's practiced this anti-theism because they learned that if a populace doesn't believe in god overall they tend to be more easily controlled and more prone to fear and dependence of government.

Anything can be taken to its extreme, and I guess you can say that anti-theism is the extreme side of atheism. But there are very few similarities between atheism and anti-theism. The communists practiced anti-theism to the utmost extreme since in communism there isn't supposed to be anything which can rival the State, and that includes gods. So they worked hard to stamp it out, there is nothing which can hold sovereignty over the State. Atheism is a rejection of the existence of gods, nothing more and nothing less. There's nothing in it which states anything about destroying religion and many many many atheists don't care enough to want to "stamp out" religion. People's beliefs are fine, and you can express them as you see fit; just don't make any religious laws or subject me through the government to practice.

There's of course a side of atheism which are jerks. Every group has it, you can't get around it. Unfortunately for all of us, it's the jerks in all our groups whom tend to be the loudest and garner the greatest amount of press. These people tend to be more aligned with the anti-theism route (though they stop short of calling for death) than pure atheism. They have a political or personal goal for which they would like to see the end of religion. I would put Dawkins in this category. I've read the God Delusion, and there are things in there that I really agree with. But I think he overstates things when he starts claiming religion as the root of all evil and that we should move away from it. He's not what I would call militant anti-theist; but he definitely has an agenda in which he wishes to scape goat religion.

I never understood how atheists can blame religion for anything. After all our base premise is that there are no gods and hence there can not be any actual influence over mankind by gods. That which does not exist can not influence. Thus the ultimate conclusion must be that it's all man's fault for we are the one that made the choices. No gods can choose for us, they don't exist to choose. And that's why I don't blame religion for anything in reality. Most religion at the core is rather peaceful anyway, it's a twisting of the religion and abuse of its principles used by the aristocracy to excuse war. War is almost always fought for land, money, or power; religion has and still is abused and twisted to make it seem as if it is for a higher cause. But that is the choice and will of man, not gods. Ultimately all the evil and all the good on this planet is caused by humans.
 
Err, regarding the act to create a day of prayer and thanksgiving for the favors of the almighty God....the founding fathers did that right after making the 1st amendment. Please check my source again.

So what? It still doesn't change the fact that we have freedom of religion and that the government isn't supposed to favor one over another. I'd say that's pretty secular.
The 1st amendment prevents a national religion or municipal church, nothing more. Symbols on building, prayer in congres and federaly reconised (as oposed to federaly established) holy-days are all ligit.

Yes it does, and I would call that a very secular idea.
 
All humans are hypocrites. This is a fact of life.

The Christian faith is indeed a rip off of others. Explain why most major Xtian Holidays are pagan based!

Someone really needs to bone up on their history.

Major Christian holidays outside of passover do not exist in the Bible. They were a plan by the Roman Emperor to convert pagans and help them assimilate into the Roman Church.

"Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era itself, a festival was celebrated among the heathen, at that precise time of the year, in honor oft the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of heaven; and it may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity, the same festival was adopted by the Roman Church, giving it only the name of Christ. This tendency on the part of Christians to meet Paganism half-way was very early developed."

The first Good V/S Bad Concept does stem from Zorasterism and that is all the Christian Faith consist of: good v/s bad.

Good and evil are concepts that existed in other places never touched by ancient Persia, so your answer is not even close to correct.

Your premise is highly flawed which leads to a flawed conclusion, not supported in any way by accurate data.

You need to come up with something other than opinion.
 
Perhaps by definition, however given the recent antics of some, there seems to be a clear agenda for a lot of them wouldn't you agree? ;)

No, I would say there is a clear agenda for some of them, the minority. The vast majority of atheists don't really care one way or the other.
 
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