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Atheists take aim at Christmas

I thought Athiests did not believe in evil?

There's no basis for this claim. Atheists are just as capable as anyone else to believe in evil, and many do have some absolute scaling. The only thing that could be said is that overall atheists tend to have a lot larger "gray" range and more variants of shade thereof.
 
There's no basis for this claim. Atheists are just as capable as anyone else to believe in evil, and many do have some absolute scaling. The only thing that could be said is that overall atheists tend to have a lot larger "gray" range and more variants of shade thereof.




Prove Evil exists. :mrgreen:
 
:roll: No, it isn't. In fact, Congress opens with a prayer, that kind of invalidates that whole absolute separation argument of yours doesn't it? Maybe you can whine about that next, since their "your" employees.
A myth - "separation of church and state", this never did exist.
A majority of us have no fear of being blatantly attacked by a Naivety Scene.
That some extremest atheists are tells me they are mentally disturbed, at least...
 
The fake moral outrage that certain Christans do each year over their Holy Holiday and the Fake War on Christmas disgust me. :roll: It is so very ironic since Christians stole the Christmas idea from Pagans. Anybody that knows the least little thing about religion knows this and also knows there is no way in hell that Jesus was born in Dec. Give me a break and spare me the fake outrage over some non X-tians trying to ruin your special day that you stole from so called Heathens.. *Snickers* :roll::roll::roll:
Just for giggles can I point out that "X"=Christ. Therefore Xmas=Christmas, I don't believe we spell it Christtmas. As such "Xtian"=Christtian which of course is also incorrect.
 
You're absolutely right in that putting that nativity scene on public property violates yout TPM. It was put there during a holiday season (Yule tide), directly in front of a government building and on public property (secular) and was done so to incite acrimony from nonbelievers, by being condescending, arrogant, superiorist, smug.
Hah! You do not get the concept of Time Place Manner at all. You're personal offense is not required in that, it is not anyone else's problem but YOURS if you see offense where there is none intended. Religious symbols at holiday times are done for communal celebration, if YOU are personally offended by that it's your problem. The sign in question done by the Atheists was done specifically to attack. Time:Christian Holiday, Place: Public Square, Manner: Condescending and directly in front of a Christian symbol. Any reasonable person of multiple faiths could be offended by that behavior. You are trying to argue that Time:Christian Holiday, Place: Public Square, Manner: Reverential toward said Christian holiday offends YOU so it is an attack, get over yourself, most reasonable people would either participate or ignore, YOU however and that 5% I have talked about earlier in this thread have decided to become butt hurt over it.
 
Prove Evil exists. :mrgreen:

Man exists. All good and evil are descriptions of actions taken by man. There will always be those whom fit our description of good and always be those whom fit our description of evil. So long as man exists, good and evil will exist. So to prove evil exists, one must only prove that man exists.

How do we define these things? The actual definition is very cultural, but the absolute rests in the rights of the individual. Religions were created in part to enforce the moral code of the society and hence have built into them the same innate sense of right and wrong which were concluded by the society to be the best operating parameters for that.
 
Prove Evil exists. :mrgreen:
Genesis 6:5": And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
 
A myth - "separation of church and state", this never did exist.
Completely agree
A majority of us have no fear of being blatantly attacked by a Naivety Scene.
Understood, and appreciated, and your side of this is more than welcome to celebrate with us, I have no problem with people of good will, in any form of belief.
That some extremest atheists are tells me they are mentally disturbed, at least...
That's my theory as well, those types, I do have a problem with.
 
Genesis 6:5": And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

How is the Bible proof of anything?
 
Genesis 6:5": And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Well if the mythical sky daddy said it it must be true:mrgreen:
 
Man exists. All good and evil are descriptions of actions taken by man. There will always be those whom fit our description of good and always be those whom fit our description of evil. So long as man exists, good and evil will exist. So to prove evil exists, one must only prove that man exists.

How do we define these things? The actual definition is very cultural, but the absolute rests in the rights of the individual. Religions were created in part to enforce the moral code of the society and hence have built into them the same innate sense of right and wrong which were concluded by the society to be the best operating parameters for that.
I love a great exercise in logic. :mrgreen:
 
Here's the problem as I see it...and it, as usual, starts with the extremists. You have some religious extremists who proselytize and attempt to push their beliefs on everyone, claiming that what they think is "correct". This, of course, brings the extreme atheists out of the woodwork, insulting anyone who believes in GOD. Now, what this accomplishes is a few things. Firstly, both groups of extremists attack everyone on the other side of their ideology, even those, of whom are the vast majority, who couldn't give a hoot about what anyone else believes and have no desire to place their beliefs on anyone else. Secondly, these non-extremists grow tired of being needlessly attacked, by the opposing extremists, sometimes forcing them to become more aggressive in order to defend themselves against unprovoked attacks. Lastly, this causes more of a divide, all cause by extremists who, with seeming little ego strength, feel the need to push their positions on others, or feel the need to degrade others positions, when, for the most part, those that they oppose could care less about imposing their beliefs on anyone else.

So, I now propose a question for atheists who seem to like to attack those of faith. I believe in GOD. I have no intention of placing my beliefs on you or anyone else. I do not want religion mixed with government in any way and will fight as strongly as you will against that happening. I am content to live my life with my beliefs and have no issue with you living yours with yours. Why do you feel the need to attack and degrade my belief system to me when I will not, in any way, attempt to place my beliefs on you?
Because placing your religious trappings on property owned by every citizen, when you could and usually do place it on property owned by your religion is the same as saying that you have no regard for other people who own that property as well. Every time you place something religious on public property you are saying to those who do not believe in your religion (not just atheists) that you think we are all stupid for not believing as well as saying I don't care about your beliefs because you are wrong and I am right. You are pushing your religion in my face just as surely as if you walked up to me on the street and shoved a cross in my face and called me a heathen. I do not want your religious garbage on my property, you want to put it there against my wishes therefore you are the instigator.

Now, you made it fairly clear that you think you are not one of the extremists and you want us to believe you have the live and let live attitude. Do you feel the same way about the majority of muslims that do not stand up against the extremists in their religion or does providing the foundation for extremism only apply to other religions?
 
Personally I think the whole separation of church and state thing is a pointless argument. Since Christianity is the majority religion in this country, it will continue to win out over other religions for a long time. Honestly, I'm just glad that we have freedom of religion in this country and are able to celebrate our own individual religions whatever they be. When I see a nativity scene at a government building, I don't think of it as evil or really that big of a deal. It annoys me because I think there should be a clear separation of church and state. However, that's my opinion and I'm more than welcome to express it just as others are more than welcome to defend such a thing. However, I must say that the Christians should get used to this kind of opposition from people as long as they continue to monopolize the limelight. I feel no sympathy for them at all. It's the cost of living in a country where we have freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
 
How is anything proof of anything?

Ah, so you are going to try and turn it into that type of an argument. :lol: :roll:

Perhaps you could answer my question, though. How is the Bible proof of anything? If you have faith it certainly is, but that argument doesn't exactly work for someone who doesn't subscribe to that belief system. So, I'll ask again; how is the Bible proof of anything?
 
Personally I think the whole separation of church and state thing is a pointless argument. Since Christianity is the majority religion in this country, it will continue to win out over other religions for a long time. Honestly, I'm just glad that we have freedom of religion in this country and are able to celebrate our own individual religions whatever they be. When I see a nativity scene at a government building, I don't think of it as evil or really that big of a deal. It annoys me because I think there should be a clear separation of church and state. However, that's my opinion and I'm more than welcome to express it just as others are more than welcome to defend such a thing. However, I must say that the Christians should get used to this kind of opposition from people as long as they continue to monopolize the limelight. I feel no sympathy for them at all. It's the cost of living in a country where we have freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
Then why don't atheists just say we don't believe in any gods, instead of ridiculing Christianity, Islam and Judaism? That sign was not a statement of their personal belief, but a statement of the their disbelief in another's religion. That is a freedom of speech issue, and not a freedom of religion issue.
 
Ah, so you are going to try and turn it into that type of an argument. :lol: :roll:

Perhaps you could answer my question, though. How is the Bible proof of anything? If you have faith it certainly is, but that argument doesn't exactly work for someone who doesn't subscribe to that belief system. So, I'll ask again; how is the Bible proof of anything?
Perhaps you could answer the original challenge and prove the existence of evil. Let's see your attempt.
 
Then why don't atheists just say we don't believe in any gods, instead of ridiculing Christianity, Islam and Judaism? That sign was not a statement of their personal belief, but a statement of the their disbelief in another's religion. That is a freedom of speech issue, and not a freedom of religion issue.

Because there are Atheists out there who are just as arrogant and pushy as some Christian fundamentalists out there. There are Atheists who just can't deal with the fact that there are people out there who believe in a higher power. Though I will say this. It's not as if all Christians keep to themselves about their religion. A lot of them try to shove it onto others and this annoys a lot of people, myself included. Personally I found the sign by the Atheists to be bitter and arrogant. It's not as if the Christian Nativity scene was meant to really stick it to Atheists or any other specific belief system, so I believe it was an unwarranted attack. However, if there had been a non-attacking Atheist display or other non-Christian display that was put up next to the Nativity scene I think this would still be an issue for some.
 
I'm Catholic, but don't hold grudges against other beliefs, this one makes me sick though. I think the Athiest and Nihalist movements forget one thing, absence of belief is still belief.

Militantly being an Atheist always struck me as a contradiction.
 
Perhaps you could answer the original challenge and prove the existence of evil. Let's see your attempt.

I don't believe in the existence evil as I have stated in other threads.
 
Militantly being an Atheist always struck me as a contradiction.

Well, the fact that some Atheists use similar tactics to those whom they oppose makes them look hypocritical.

I used to run a Satanism chat room years ago and we would get tons of Christians coming in and attacking us or questioning us, which is to be expected. A lot of the time they would come in and say "JESUS LOVES YOU!" and leave right away. We called them "drive-by blessings." Anyway, a lot of the non-Christian people who would come in would want us to go to their rooms and attack them. And I never understood why anyone would want to do that. I think that if you are going to try and hold yourself to a higher standard than those whom you oppose, you shouldn't engage in their idiotic tactics. To do the same really makes you no better than they are.
 
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I used to run a Satanism chat room years ago

Why would you run a Satanism chat room if you don't believe in the existence of evil?

Do you mean you don't believe in evil as a presence, or that there is no such thing as evil deeds at all?
 
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