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Atheists take aim at Christmas

Ah, but it isn't a christian tenet to prostelitize(sp?) people, I have met christians of smaller denominations that "witness" or, in other words, it is their specific christian values to convert others to that christian belief, otherwise they would be considered sinners in god's eyes, these smaller sects believe it is their duty to "save" everyone and yes, they are annoying, but my religion, Catholicism, and the mainstream Baptist and Episcopalian faiths are pretty much live and let live, Southern Baptists though(the evangelical ones) look out, they will "save" you whether you want their help or not, by getting laws passed, etc. Those guys are more than fair game if you want 'em.

I should have been more specific. It's not really Christianity specifically, but certain factions of Christianity. I know exactly what you mean about Southern Baptists too. I used to attend a Southern Baptist church when i was younger.

I haven't had that problem, even though I'm in the south, the Jehovah's witnesses frequent my area, but are generally very polite when they are declined.

Some of them have been polite, some less. A few have done the whole "foot in the door" routine, which I found annoying.

Which is why I think all of us on the sane side need to band together regardless of our beliefs, discuss them in a studious and respectful manner, and tell the extremists to shove it.

Amen to that.

Not me, or most of my friends of the christian faith, but I believe these should be privately donated items, not paid for from tax coffers, AND should be respectful in their placement in regards to the other belief symbols.

I agree completely.
 
They are promoting their religion. They are essentially assuming that people are stupid and haven't heard of Mormonism and that they should adopt these views. I call that door-to-door sales.
The thing that really kills me is when I'm watching a great TV program and an LDS commercial comes on during the break, these ads almost ALWAYS show someone in trouble and the chirpy, cheery friend has the solution, coming in the form of course, of the Church of Later Day Saints. ARRRGH.
 
If you get a spot with Merry Christmas in the public square Happy Holidays also gets a spot. Equal rights and all ya know:mrgreen:
I'm okay with that.:mrgreen:
 
The thing that really kills me is when I'm watching a great TV program and an LDS commercial comes on during the break, these ads almost ALWAYS show someone in trouble and the chirpy, cheery friend has the solution, coming in the form of course, of the Church of Later Day Saints. ARRRGH.

:rofl I know exactly what you mean. At least the commercials are good for a bit of a laugh.
 
Are you sure about that? Why then does Bill O'Reilly have his yearly War On Christmas special?

Is that an expression of being offended?

Why do people get offended when they are told Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?

Do they? You haven't established this, yet.

Which is paranoia and nothing more. Christianity will most likely never be eliminated from the public square considering that a majority of people in this country are Christian. I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Despite the Ten Commandmants bieng removed by court order, banning school prayer, manger/stable displays being ordered removed, public universities banning Christmas displays because it's "ethnically insensitive," etc. Yeah, figments of our imaginations, eh? :roll:

Actually, yes it is about a holiday greeting.

I know the issue is motivated by the holiday greeting being altered. But people like me are not arguing about how to greet others. People like me are citing this as another example of a war against Christianity in the public square.

You take issue with people saying Happy Holidays because you perceive it to purely be about being PC and that simply isn't true.

It's not true?

The only argument for doing it is to be more inclusive. But a clear majority of Americans believe it's not more inclusive and prefer Merry Christmas.
 
Do they? You haven't established this, yet.

I've spoken to people who get offended by it. I'm sure that they aren't alone in that. You've already made it clear that you object to it only because you perceive it to be purely for PC reasons.

Despite the Ten Commandmants bieng removed by court order, banning school prayer, manger/stable displays being ordered removed, public universities banning Christmas displays because it's "ethnically insensitive," etc. Yeah, figments of our imaginations, eh? :roll:

So what? Those things shouldn't exist in the public arena anyway. Just because they want to remove it doesn't mean that they are trying to eradicate it completely. That's an absurd and paranoid notion.

I know the issue is motivated by the holiday greeting being altered. But people like me are not arguing about how to greet others. People like me are citing this as another example of a war against Christianity in the public square.

Which is completely absurd and paranoid.

It's not true?

The only argument for doing it is to be more inclusive. But a clear majority of Americans believe it's not more inclusive and prefer Merry Christmas.

No, it isn't true. For some that is a large part of the reason, as proven by your story about banning Merry Christmas. However, those people don't speak for every single person who takes issue with this.
 
If Jesus was not born on December 25 what solid basis is there for celebrating his birth on December 25 other then to convert Roman pagans (who already celebrated the birth of Mithra (the unconquered sun) on December 25)?

Nine months after the Annunciation

The below seems like an assertion to me.

Then you are not very good at reading posts in full context.
 
That's the stupidity of multiculturalist thinking.

Christmas is the Christian holiday. Wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" who is not a Christian is explicitly including them in the Christian holiday.

I live in a non-Christian country and people wish others Merry Christmas here all the time around December 25, especially in urban areas. It is celebrated in schools all over the country and many families exchange gifts. Most people here are Buddhist-Daoist. This claptrap about how the holiday does not include non-Christians is a load of crap.
 
Why do they feel the need to do so, though? You don't see other non-Christian religions doing this. With all of the demonizing that people have done to Islam, you'd think they'd be doing it, but they don't. It's because Christians have a "good guy" badge and feel the need to save and convert everyone.

No, Muslims just bomb and kill you if you don't convert.

Seriously, looking at the history of CONQUEST that Muslims engaged in for the purpose of converting people, making this comparison is not the best to make.

Islam is also a missionary religion. They don't go door to door in the US because it is too dangerous to do so. I am no fan of the ignorance of Mormons and JWs. Once, a Mormon missionary called me a "Mary Worshipper." I slammed the door in his face. (not saying this was the best reaction, but I was already annoyed because he knocked on my door while I was watching a US-Mexico World Cup qualifying match.)
 
I was going to make a point about this and totally forgot, thanks for the post and reminding me of that. I think people of other faiths take "Merry Christmas" the wrong way, to explain this a little further, it is christian to include, regardless of difference in celebration, I think some in our society take offense because they see our well wishes as an assumption of their faith, which couldn't be further from the truth as most christians go. Simply put, Merry Christmas is nothing more than the sharing of love and best wishes during the celebration.

Exactly. The Christmas Eve mass where I go to church always has as many non-Catholics as it does Catholics. They are always welcome to join us and celebrate with us. This is not EXCLUSIVE, but rather it is INCLUSIVE. I assume most mainstream Protestestant sects are the same.
 
No, Muslims just bomb and kill you if you don't convert.

Funny my Muslim neighbors haven't tried to kill me since I don't convert. Generalize much?
 
Funny my Muslim neighbors haven't tried to kill me since I don't convert. Generalize much?
How many muslim neighbors do you have, and how close do they live?
 
Exactly. The Christmas Eve mass where I go to church always has as many non-Catholics as it does Catholics.
I was always taught to do otherwise would be un-christian, and in itself a minor sin.
They are always welcome to join us and celebrate with us.
Also, from personal experience, I have found that those not of my denomination appreciate the extended hand of friendship, as long as it doesn't come with a lecture on conversion, but, I'm too busy to do the last part anyway.
This is not EXCLUSIVE, but rather it is INCLUSIVE. I assume most mainstream Protestestant sects are the same.
I think most of the christian faiths pretty much practice the same basic tenets, it's the ceremony and practice that differs, it's when the fanatics get involved that we all take the black eye.
 
In England we like to take aim at athiests...

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Nine months after the Annunciation
The problem is you have provided no evidence to suggest when the Annunciation took place.



Then you are not very good at reading posts in full context.
Your posts couldn't be interpreted in any other manner unless the context is that you were being sarcastic. Were you being sarcastic in saying Jesus was born on December 25?
 
How many muslim neighbors do you have, and how close do they live?

Well I consider myself having 8 neighbors (in a square and with whom I talk with constantly of course I consider our neighborhood bigger than that who I have constant contact with and with 2 of them being Jewish who get along with the Muslim neighbor quite well), 1 of them Muslim and one of them that I eat dinner with each week with them being Muslim.

So what's your point again?
 
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