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Atheists take aim at Christmas

ludahai said:
I respect the rights of athiests to believe that they believe and to publicly espouse it. Of course, I also with them no ill will. However, their tactics at times have been classless. As a devout Catholic, I do resent that some.
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As have I, in the past. However, jackassery on one side does not excuse jackassery from the other. And this year (and believe me, after my crusade last year, I watched the issue closely), I saw the Christians preemptively declare the war on Christmas.

I quit watching O'Reilly over it. And I used to love to watch Bill O'Reilly.
 
I would like to apologize, on behalf of the Atheist Clan, for the Silly Sign **** being propagated by Our People, as referenced in this thread and elsewhere. I propose a cease-fire and alliance: We can join forces; a coalition of unlikely partners to battle against both the atheist Silliness notated here, as well as the Christian Silliness expressed in the 'Happy Holidays' thread. Together, we can make the world a less silly place! (except for in the places that we like for it to be silly)
 
SWM said:
I would like to apologize, on behalf of the Atheist Clan, for the Silly Sign **** being propagated by Our People, as referenced in this thread and elsewhere. I propose a cease-fire and alliance: We can join forces; a coalition of unlikely partners to battle against both the atheist Silliness notated here, as well as the Christian Silliness expressed in the 'Happy Holidays' thread. Together, we can make the world a less silly place! (except for in the places that we like for it to be silly)
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:applaudGreat post.

The way to beat extremists are folks from both sides joining together and stomping them. As I have said many times, in many different venues, if the moderates of a group attack the extremists of that same group, this act generates more power than attacks coming from the other side. It shows the lack of credibility that the extremists have.
 
SWM said:
I would like to apologize, on behalf of the Atheist Clan, for the Silly Sign **** being propagated by Our People, as referenced in this thread and elsewhere. I propose a cease-fire and alliance: We can join forces; a coalition of unlikely partners to battle against both the atheist Silliness notated here, as well as the Christian Silliness expressed in the 'Happy Holidays' thread. Together, we can make the world a less silly place! (except for in the places that we like for it to be silly)
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As a Christian "crusader", I would like to not only thank you with an inane "thanks", but thank you personally for making such an appropriate post about the idiocy of both sides over an issue that should only incite happiness and good will at this time of year.

Happy hannachristmakwanzakaamhadan to everyone here on the forum.

In other words, "Be well this next year."
 
I thank God every day for atheists. :)

If it weren't for the atheists, Christian loonies would long ago have shoved crosses down everyone's throat and up everyone's wazzoo.

YouTube - Going Bonkers
 
Hatuey said:
This thread reads something like....

....a muscle bound guy crying because a little skinny kid kicked him in the knee after being bullied for centuries. Then the muscle bound guy cries about atheism being a religion even though there is no dogma, house of worship or clergy. Unlike every other religion out there does in one form or another. Then the muscle bound guy tries to make the little guy bad for not taking **** anymore and holding up his opinion proudly for everybody to see.

This all led to me realize that....

.....baptists and their unapologetic talking heads in this country have for the most part no trouble with blaming 9/11 and other completely unpredictable **** on gays and atheists. Catholics have no problem with religion interfering in peoples lives as far as reproductive choice goes, religion sexuality. The LDS have no problem telling gays they can't marry whomever they love just like everybody else. Muslims in this country expect people to make time out of their schedule to accommodate prayer times. These groups have absolutely NO PROBLEM sticking their beliefs into the lives of others and hammering their **** over airwaves, tv channels, internet pop-up ads. HOWEVER. Let ONE ****ing atheist group make up a mean sign and all the sudden Atheists are the bad guys.

I swear on Photoshop CS4 that next time I drive by a billboard in the middle of the road saying 'Have you found him yet?' I'm going to file a lawsuit and get filthy rich by making a fuss about how hurt I am I could have find Jesus by going on a website but was never told. Seriously I am.

Whatever. I hope whomever stole the sign gets caught and sent to jail. Ha.
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So athieism in not a belief system to you, yet here some of them are acting like it is.... go figger....


"baptists" funny, most "baptists" I know believe no such thing., were you lying and going for shock value or were you being ignorantly bigoted?

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How is Atheism a belief system?

It has no doctrine, no ceremonies, no holidays, no rituals, nothing. It is simply the absence of a belief in a higher power. A system has to have more than one premise... two dots make a line. Atheism has no such configuration.
 
Orius said:
How is Atheism a belief system?

It has no doctrine, no ceremonies, no holidays, no rituals, nothing. It is simply the absence of a belief in a higher power. A system has to have more than one premise... two dots make a line. Atheism has no such configuration.
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absense of belief is still a belief.


in this case atheism deonstates a doctrine and dogma, given the organization, the signage and what not.

it acts n awful lot like a religion. ;)
 
Hatuey said:
Coming from somebody who is acknowledged on the forum as being an all around weirdo. I'll take that as a compliment.
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By the way you replied it..it was more a punishment:lol:

Who said it wasn't? Strawman acknowledged and ignored.
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That is my point: ignorance, even if it is ignorance in purpose.

What is low class about saying that it's silly to be religious? Isn't that what the religious do? State their opinion. Please stop. You're annoying me already. I've seen religious people here justifying the comments of people like Jerry Falwell under the pretense of 'well it's freedom of speech'. Same goes for religion is full of ****. it might be empty of class but what does class matter in the world of today?
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It does to me...you vulgar human being...:roll:

Atheists for the most part don't care. I'm laughing at the outrage shown by the mean atheists who had the audacity to bring out ONE sign but not at all the other crazy **** the religious do on a day to day basis.
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So, atheists don't care eh?...what an idiot and ignorant in purpose. Tell me, what is this thread about...atheists who don't care?! Ah?! Idiot?!:shock:

I don't know. Most people against homosexuality tend to be religious while those supporting gay rights tend to be atheists. It seems more of a general rule.
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Oh yeah? since when? I see lots of foggies saying that they are indeed part of the "body of Christ" like any other Christian...if such is as true for them, they must be the asshole:lol:

Look, do not confuse the right of not believing in a god to make you automatically a supporter of low passions, degeneration of the mind and body, indecency, obscenity, profanity...come on man, some atheists like me have class...
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
absense of belief is still a belief.


in this case atheism deonstates a doctrine and dogma, given the organization, the signage and what not.

it acts n awful lot like a religion. ;)
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A belief is not a belief system. I believe oranges taste good... is that a religion?

What dogma or doctrine does Atheism have?
 
Orius said:
A belief is not a belief system. I believe oranges taste good... is that a religion?

What dogma or doctrine does Atheism have?
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I think this has been discussed in the past. I am simply narrowing down the argument to these assholes. they are using thier own doctrine and dogma.

no?
 
I don't deny that they are radicals... but to call them religious... it doesn't really make sense.
 
PerryLogan said:
I thank God every day for atheists. :)

If it weren't for the atheists, Christian loonies would long ago have shoved crosses down everyone's throat and up everyone's wazzoo.

YouTube - Going Bonkers
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And people like you remind me every day that I shouldn't pay attention to the freak shows in politics.
 
I am not sure I understand what is so offensive about the sign. Here is what it reads:

At this season of
THE WINTER SOLSTICE
may reason prevail.​

There are no gods.
no devils. no angels.
no heaven or hell.
There is only
our natural world.
Religion is but
myth and superstition
that hardens hearts
and enslaves minds.​

Setting aside all the reasons "atheists wouldn't celebrate a natural phenomenon", what is offensive about what the sign says? The last sentence is merely a retooling of what most religions, and especially Christianity, say about Atheism all the time. It would go like this: Unbelief is but error that hardens hearts and enslaves minds. And this, without any repercussions from any Christians, who universally simply nod inside and go on with their day.​

Need I go pull out from the Christian scriptures all of the places that unbelief and unbeliever is mentioned. Here is a sample:​

"But to those who are corrupt and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their minds and consciences are corrupted."​


"But to the cowards, unbelievers, detestable persons, murderers, the sexually immoral, and those who practice magic spells, 1 idol worshipers, 2 and all those who lie, their place 3 will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. 4 That 5 is the second death.”​
The Christian public statements about unbelievers, based on scriptures like these, are far harsher and more insulting than the statements in the Atheist sign. When Atheists DO make equally harsh statements (which is actually quite hard to do), other Atheists can disavow them. Not so with Christianity: Disavowal would be to deny what the scriptures state.


To illustrate, in order for me to make a statement equally harsh with the Christian scripture's statement, I would have to say something like this:
The believer in Jesus' place is to be kept on the edge of life and consciousness and endlessly tortured until that person shall expire. It would be preferable to be able to keep them alive eternally for this torture, but alas, we cannot. Perhaps science will one day make it possible.​
I don't think I ever remember an Atheist making such a statement in print or elsewhere.

Quite frankly, I don't think Christians can say anything about Atheists engaging in offensive attacks until they disavow their own scriptures. This is simply impossible unless they make their Christianity into something unrecognizable.

As for the offensiveness of the nativity scene: It is. It represents the manipulative story of Christ. This story's subject is only necessary in the event that humankind is corrupt. So, tied up in the nativity scene is the insult that I am corrupt along with the rest of humankind. It is likewise condescending.

The Christian display is sneaky, because it conceals it's message behind the cloak of a peaceful scene with charming baby.

The Atheist sign is more direct, and so what?
 
And so begins the Cephus inspired rampages we saw last year. Dammit all to hell.
 
Maybe they could do a Big Bang scene.
 
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