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Completely agree with you.Semantics isn't the point of this thread.
Now if a Pagan group that celebrates the Winter Solstice placed the sign along with a description of the their holiday beliefs then there would be no issue here.
This is the point. Atheists don't celebrate the Winter Solstice. The Atheists message is nothing more then an attack on Christianity. They simple took a sign and stated a older celebration that Christianity took over to ease the transition from paganism to Christianity.
Now if a Pagan group that celebrates the Winter Solstice placed the sign along with a description of the their holiday beliefs then there would be no issue here.
Atheism is the absence of religion.If Christians are allowed to place holiday displays on government property then all religions should be granted the same right. However, the sign comes off as incredibly arrogant and condescending. I find it ironic that a lot of anti-Christian people are just as fanatical and close-minded about other religions beliefs who dare to believe in a deity. If people want to believe in a deity or not believe in a deity that is their right. Who gives a ****?
What kind of atheist celebrates Winter Solstice?
Don't they just sit around smoking dope and telling each other how messed up the world is?
It's a large part of my day, cept I spend it on DP instead of smoking weed
I was thinking of you when I typed it. (I preferred the unedited post however: "It's a large part of my day") :rofl
Can't smoke anymore. Apparently the military frowns upon it.
The military is right; you will be much happier for it and healthy. And what's better is think of all the money you are saving and NOT giving to Uncle Sam!!
It's weird. I get money from Uncle Sam for going to drill and then he immediately takes half of it back out. Why not just cut out the middleman and pay me half as much?
Atheism is the absence of religion.
We still have a Christian nation, however eroding, but the other religions can post items as well, all but Islam, a "religion" of hate...
Why must we respect the christian religion on a pagan holiday ?
So what if it's become traditional in the last century ..traditions stolen from an older culture I might add.
Christianity has been a bully to atheism for the longest time and atheism for the most part has just been sucking it up. Now that's changed , the assaulted has become the aggressor and all the bully can do is scream foul.
Just because the religious want to claim the holiday seasons for their own just like they wish to claim marriage, education, and law making , doesn't mean it's theirs solely. They criticize and demonize atheists left and right without fear of retribution. Yet, if a non believer makes a preemptive strike ..... Well the responses to this thread show the response.
It shows that religion is given a mystic status most believe beyond reproach, even by those who do not believe. Unfortunately, dispelling lies means pointing out that they are lies. Expecting people not to retaliate against the recent years of "war on Christmas" propagated by the religious right is like a man dressed in heavy plate running around killing peasants at will ...suddenly confronted with someone armed with a shotgun . Yes the guy with the shot gun has overkill , but the armored knight was sure willing to fight when no one was fighting back.
How about because it is basic human decency?Why must we respect the christian religion on a pagan holiday ?
Borrowed maybe, but stolen? that's a very harsh term, besides, most of the traditions have nothing at all to do with the actual celebration and are in fact simply symbolism of the season.So what if it's become traditional in the last century ..traditions stolen from an older culture I might add.
Really, all of cristianity? All of it? I, like MOST christians do not throw my beliefs in anyone's faces or try to change their thinking, however extremist athiests have this dogged belief that anyone who believes other than that of athiesm is stupid, just like the christian bullies you speak of. If someone calls me stupid for my beliefs that tends to make me angry as beliefs are a strong thing. All christians can do is scream foul? hopefully you are right, but extremists of all kinds are prone to violence, hopefully the situation never comes to that, but screaming foul could in the worst of circumstances be the least of anyone's problems.Christianity has been a bully to atheism for the longest time and atheism for the most part has just been sucking it up. Now that's changed , the assaulted has become the aggressor and all the bully can do is scream foul.
Christmas, Winter Solstice, and Channukah are religious holidays, as well as Ramadan(sp?) etc. Being angry at the religious for "claiming" a religious time is a very ridiculous position to take, since they are designated religious holidays. Next the law of this land was written as a Judeo-Christian one, that is a simple fact, I don't care who "claims" it, it is the law and that is a fact. Marriage is a civil contract under the law, however, if it is performed in a place of worship it.....follow with me......IS a religious matter. Finally, education is not religious on it's face, but the history of religion IS still history, and therefore has educational merit within it's own context, to be angry that people want their side represented in a publicly funded institution(read equally funded) shows an irrational bitterness that turns people off to the messenger(athiests, etc.) and the message. As for the pre-emptive strike, why would one be so dogged that they must harass innocent people during their time of celebration, except to be an asshole?Just because the religious want to claim the holiday seasons for their own just like they wish to claim marriage, education, and law making , doesn't mean it's theirs solely. They criticize and demonize atheists left and right without fear of retribution. Yet, if a non believer makes a preemptive strike ..... Well the responses to this thread show the response.
You have every right to discuss and debate, but to challenge the beliefs of those who don't agree to this extent is unforgivable, and tactless, people have been killed worldwide for less.It shows that religion is given a mystic status most believe beyond reproach, even by those who do not believe.Congratulations, you have proved to be that 10-15% I talked about earlier, you cannot be so certain in your beliefs as I cannot in mine as to completely discredit the unprovable, that my friend is called dogma.Unfortunately, dispelling lies means pointing out that they are lies.Excepting, for the fact, that athiest extremists started it.Expecting people not to retaliate against the recent years of "war on Christmas" propagated by the religious right is like a man dressed in heavy plate running around killing peasants at will ...suddenly confronted with someone armed with a shotgun . Yes the guy with the shot gun has overkill , but the armored knight was sure willing to fight when no one was fighting back.
It's a large part of my day, cept I spend it on DP instead of smoking weed
I personally think the whole thing is stupid.
Christmas isn't even near Christ's alleged birthday. The historical facts regarding his birth all point to a much warmer month. Most likely somewhere around June or July. You're 6 months late! Second, the date of Christmas is shamefully stolen from the Pagans who had numerous winter holidays around the 25th. Third, Christians even BANNED the holiday numerous times throughout history both in the New and Old worlds because people were using the holiday as nothing more then a day to party and get extremely plastered. Fourth, the vast majority of rituals from presents to trees to mistletoe are all pagan. Fifth, Christmas today is effectively nothing more then a commercial holiday meant to ensure that retailers go from red to black on their fiscal year. Six, the fact that numerous non-Christians celebrate it as a day for togetherness devoid of religion shows it has effectively become a secular holiday.
Atheists need to get the facts straight and move on. This is stupid. It's a commercial holiday that was stolen from the Pagans and celebrated in many pagan ways. Sheesh.