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Supreme Court rules Trump not immune from New York grand jury process

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Basically, this means that the Manhattan prosecutor can see Trump's financial records.


Supreme Court rules Trump not immune from New York grand jury process

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Thursday that President Donald Trump is not immune from a New York prosecutor's effort to get his tax returns — a defeat for the president, who fought hard to keep the details of his personal finances private.
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That's interesting.

Trump's immunity is strong, but grand juries are strong too.
 
2020 is just not Trump's year is it?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Grand jury testimony is (supposed to be) private. The SCOTUS did not rule that congress could get (and publicly share) that information.
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Well, if the Grand Jury indicts, that will go away too.

The Trump Organization has a lot to hide.
 
Sooner or later those returns will be leaked and some forensic accountant will pour over them and discover the truth.
 
Contrary to what Barr insists, a president is not above oversight or the law.
 
TomFitz said:
Well, if the Grand Jury indicts, that will go away too.

The Trump Organization has a lot to hide.
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Based on what? The SCOTUS did not say anything other than the lower courts must further address the matter.

The Manhattan district attorney’s office wanted to obtain Trump’s tax returns as part of its probe into hush-money payments to two women although the president can challenge that in court and the justices said he can fight House Democrats’ attempt to obtain financial records from the Trump Organization’s accounting firm and two banks. Both matters will go back to lower courts.
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Two hundred years ago, a great jurist of our Court established that no citizen, not even the President, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding. We reaffirm that principle today and hold that the President is neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas seeking his private papers nor entitled to a heightened standard of need. The “guard[] furnished to this high officer” lies where it always has—in “the conduct of a court” applying established legal and constitutional principles to individual subpoenas in a manner that preserves both the independence of the Executive and the integrity of the criminal justice system. Burr, 25 F. Cas., at 34.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19-635_o7jq.pdf
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Was that question before them?

Or are you just offering comforts?
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I am "offering" what the OP link said:

The Manhattan district attorney’s office wanted to obtain Trump’s tax returns as part of its probe into hush-money payments to two women although the president can challenge that in court and the justices said he can fight House Democrats’ attempt to obtain financial records from the Trump Organization’s accounting firm and two banks. Both matters will go back to lower courts.
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ttwtt78640 said:
Grand jury testimony is (supposed to be) private. The SCOTUS did not rule that congress could get (and publicly share) that information.
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That case is up to the supreme court later today.
 
Politically, Trump got what he fought for.

His financial records will most likely not become public in any way, before the election. That’s all he cared about.

If the whole Trump Organization explodes under a torrent of prosecution, he won’t care.

Of course, the Lincoln Project and the Biden campaign will use it against him. Since bullying his way though the last four years defined him as serially corrupt, with a lot to hide.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I am "offering" what the OP link said:
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That’s actually incorrect.

Trump’s agents must produce material for the New York Grand Jury.
 
Josie said:
Makes sense. No President - or any person - is above the law.
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That includes future presidents, no matter what party Joe Biden is in.
 
TomFitz said:
That’s actually incorrect.

Trump’s agents must produce material for the New York Grand Jury.
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And IF they find any wrong doing by Trump NY can charge him and he will have to go to trial in NY and he nor any other President can pardon him
NO President can pardon anybody from State charges ONLY the Gov. of the state that brings the charges can do that
and the AG of the state of NY has been working with the Feds on many cases that have to do with Trumps dealings and they can use anything that was found jointly and shared
this could be interesting
have a nice day
 
RAMOSS said:
That includes future presidents, no matter what party Joe Biden is in.
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That’s fine by everyone outside Trumpster world.
 
RAMOSS said:
No, it didn't mention the request from the house at all. You are reading into it.
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Really?

...the justices said he can fight House Democrats’ attempt to obtain financial records from the Trump Organization’s accounting firm and two banks.
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ttwtt78640 said:
Grand jury testimony is (supposed to be) private. The SCOTUS did not rule that congress could get (and publicly share) that information.
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This has nothing to do with Congress or with a grand jury. This is about Dirtbag's criminal investigations in NY State.
 
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