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Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman retires, citing campaign of ‘bullying’ and ‘retaliation’ by Trump after i

Tangmo said:
Vindman is a politico-military officer from the Army Foreign Area Office detailed to the WH NSC from his assignment since 2015 to the chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff as principal officer for Russia.

Neither you nor your guys have any clue.

You're just ranting and raging Republican Party Rightwing nonsense, slander, libel.
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Vindman was a dud. He violated his oath of office. He disrespected and opposed his Commander-in-Chief, chiefly because he had no clue what official policy was supposed to be and knew nothing of the well-publicized issue of corruption in Ukraine involving Americans and other nations. He disrespected his superiors and violated his chain of command by bypassing Morrison and going to Morrison's boss with communications which were supposed to have been Morrison's responsibility. And then when Morrison's boss told Vindman to keep quiet about the secret government communications he went out and blabbed details to everybody he came across, including his brother and the ever primed radical democrat Trump-hating Schiff.
 
marke said:
Vindman was a dud. He violated his oath of office. He disrespected and opposed his Commander-in-Chief, chiefly because he had no clue what official policy was supposed to be and knew nothing of the well-publicized issue of corruption in Ukraine involving Americans and other nations. He disrespected his superiors and violated his chain of command by bypassing Morrison and going to Morrison's boss with communications which were supposed to have been Morrison's responsibility. And then when Morrison's boss told Vindman to keep quiet about the secret government communications he went out and blabbed details to everybody he came across, including his brother and the ever primed radical democrat Trump-hating Schiff.
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Vindman is an American hero
 
vegas giants said:
Cadet bone spurs ran from his duty to his country
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Yes, it looks like he did try to avoid Vietnam, just like so many other of his fellow democrats did at the time, including Bill Clinton. Were all those medical holds illegitimate? I don't think so. There was a guy in my basic training unit (about half of the recruits in my basic training unit were sent to Vietnam after they finished training) flunked a physical while in basic training. I think we all knew the guy would never do well in the Army because he was clearly handicapped. But he begged the officers to let him stay and not let the Army put him out. Those of us who were recruits with him also pulled for him to be allowed to stay.

Surprisingly, the Army let him stay. He would have failed the physical testing as well as mental had not our trainers allowed him to slide by the cut-off standards to pass. He went on to further training after that and I never heard anything else about him. But I remember how hard he tried against all odds to pass the training so he could stay in the Army. I believe the officers did the right thing to allow him to stay in.
 
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marke said:
Yes, it looks like he did try to avoid Vietnam, just like so many other of his fellow democrats did at the time, including Bill Clinton.
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Yeah. Trump is a real coward. I agree
 
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vegas giants said:
Trump caused the coronavirus, the deaths, the business and economy shutdowns and the consequences, so elect Biden to rescue America from disaster.

Yes all this is true. Thanks
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I marvel at how stupid some Americans show themselves determined to be. We live in a strange time.
 
The AntiDonald said:
No maybe about it. Biden will have to appoint a new ambassador to Ukraine. Vindman has my support.
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Are you suggesting Hunter Biden may not be available for the job? He has proven himself to be quite knowledgeable in certain kinds of Ukrainian business affairs.
 
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman retires, citing campaign of ‘bullying’ and ‘retaliation’ by T

Jonsa said:
the last defense. Perhaps now some personal reflection would be in order.
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It's a play on the commercial "It's Miller Time". When people project who and what they are. I tell them it MIRROR time.
 
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marke said:
I marvel at how stupid some Americans show themselves determined to be. We live in a strange time.
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We call those stupid Americans trumpers. Lol
 
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Tangmo said:
Since 1620 folk have focused on the place as a commonwealth. From the War of Independence we celebrated just recently and with necessary adjustments we've been a republic and a commonwealth. We went through a civil war that you refuse to condemn for its secession and racism. Now you and your guys are busy Making America Hate Again.









Your avatar image makes me imagine a Cult Den thx.
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Get your head out of slavery and Jim Crow I don't give a crap about it. Don't you understand?? Quit playing the poor widdle victim card. It's babyish. All this nonsense about a commonwealth and republic. Who the eff CARES? Do you think BLM does?
 
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman retires, citing campaign of ‘bullying’ and ‘retaliation’ by T

Tangmo said:
Vindman's oath is to the Constitution which you guys hate along with the oath and the oath takers.
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I don't recall TDS being in any oath.
 
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AlphaOmega said:
I don't recall TDS being in any oath.
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No officer should be required to display trump devotion syndrome
 
marke said:
Vindman was a dud. He violated his oath of office. He disrespected and opposed his Commander-in-Chief, chiefly because he had no clue what official policy was supposed to be and knew nothing of the well-publicized issue of corruption in Ukraine involving Americans and other nations. He disrespected his superiors and violated his chain of command by bypassing Morrison and going to Morrison's boss with communications which were supposed to have been Morrison's responsibility. And then when Morrison's boss told Vindman to keep quiet about the secret government communications he went out and blabbed details to everybody he came across, including his brother and the ever primed radical democrat Trump-hating Schiff.
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Neither you nor any of your fellow Rightwingers in Congress can say what Vindman's chain of command was or whether Vindman had an organizational structure that could be called a chain of command.

So I'll say again what you and your fellow Rightwingers have missed is the complexity of in the gray area in which Vindman operated. Vindman is a politico-military officer from the Army Foreign Area Office. Vindman was assigned in 2015 to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as the chairman's principal officer for Russia. The chairman detailed Vindman to the White House National Security Council staff for Europe-Eurasia in 2018. The CJCS received Vindman on assignment to him by the Army chief of staff to begin with.

Neither you nor your brash Rightwing guys have any clue whether Vindman had a chain of command at all period. You can trot out your congress made charts yet that's political stuff for public consumption to support your attempts at character assassination of Vindman.

Neither would you know what Vindman's chain of command would have been if Vindman did in fact have a clear organizational and structural chain of command. You probably don't know either that if Vindman had a formal chain of command it would not have been the standard CofC Vindman had as an Infantry officer deployed abroad and where he earned numerous recognitions. That indeed would be the only chain of command you would know anything of and that absolutely does not apply in this instance.

You don't know for instance whether Vindman contacted the chairman of the Joint Chiefs about the phone call -- or about anything else for that matter. You don't know whether Vindman had general orders or specific orders to contact the CJCS or not to contact the CJCS. You don't know whether Vindman had classified orders from chairman of JCS or only verbal orders; or a silent understanding with the CJCS. And what about Vindman having contact or not having contact with the Army chief of staff. You don't know and neither do your Rightwing buddies in congress know.

All you and your fellow Rightwingers have are your tireless tirades of character assassination which people see through right away anyway.
 
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AlphaOmega said:
I don't recall TDS being in any oath.
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I'd invite you to read the following given that everything in the oath is to the Constitution, ie, "We the People," and to the Constitution only. That is, don't let the mention of the President in the enlisted oath be misunderstood. There is no oath to any individual person or office holder of the government or of anything. No one is above the Constitution and the rule of law despite the fiercest efforts of you PutinTrumpRowers to put your two guys up and over.



Officer Oath

One notable difference between the officer and enlisted oaths is that the oath taken by officers does not include any provision to obey orders; while enlisted personnel are bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice to obey lawful orders, officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States.[3]


I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.[1]


The oath is for an indeterminate period; no duration is specifically defined.


Officers of the National Guard of the various States, however, take an additional oath:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___, that I make this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the Office of [grade] in the Army/Air National Guard of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ upon which I am about to enter, so help me God.[4]






Enlisted Oath

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God)."

Or, if enlisting in the National Guard:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and of the State of (applicable state) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to them; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (applicable state) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. (So help me God)."


Trump is contrary to everything stated above.
 
vegas giants said:
Vindman is an American hero
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Yeah - maybe while we were still English colonies.

Vindman is a traitor of the highest order.

He was appointed to the NSC under Obama. That fact tells me all I need to know about the jackass.

Trump should have gotten rid of him on day #1.
 
Tangmo said:
Neither you nor any of your fellow Rightwingers in Congress can say what Vindman's chain of command was or whether Vindman had an organizational structure that could be called a chain of command.

So I'll say again what you and your fellow Rightwingers have missed is the complexity of in the gray area in which Vindman operated. Vindman is a politico-military officer from the Army Foreign Area Office. Vindman was assigned in 2015 to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as the chairman's principal officer for Russia. The chairman detailed Vindman to the White House National Security Council staff for Europe-Eurasia in 2018. The CJCS received Vindman on assignment to him by the Army chief of staff to begin with.

Neither you nor your brash Rightwing guys have any clue whether Vindman had a chain of command at all period. You can trot out your congress made charts yet that's political stuff for public consumption to support your attempts at character assassination of Vindman.

Neither would you know what Vindman's chain of command would have been if Vindman did in fact have a clear organizational and structural chain of command. You probably don't know either that if Vindman had a formal chain of command it would not have been the standard CofC Vindman had as an Infantry officer deployed abroad and where he earned numerous recognitions. That indeed would be the only chain of command you would know anything of and that absolutely does not apply in this instance.

You don't know for instance whether Vindman contacted the chairman of the Joint Chiefs about the phone call -- or about anything else for that matter. You don't know whether Vindman had general orders or specific orders to contact the CJCS or not to contact the CJCS. You don't know whether Vindman had classified orders from chairman of JCS or only verbal orders; or a silent understanding with the CJCS. And what about Vindman having contact or not having contact with the Army chief of staff. You don't know and neither do your Rightwing buddies in congress know.

All you and your fellow Rightwingers have are your tireless tirades of character assassination which people see through right away anyway.
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Vindman was supposed to take his concerns to Morrison, not to every leftist quack he could get in contact with. And he sat there before Congress bragging about always following the chain of command and faithfully executing his duties. He was a lying buffoon. He did not support Trump's policies in Ukraine, he deliberately undermined them. He should have been court-martialed.
 
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vegas giants said:
No officer should be required to display trump devotion syndrome
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You mean other than the oath he took. lol..priceless democrat fail here^
 
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman retires, citing campaign of ‘bullying’ and ‘retaliation’ by T

Tangmo said:
I'd invite you to read the following given that everything in the oath is to the Constitution, ie, "We the People," and to the Constitution only. That is, don't let the mention of the President in the enlisted oath be misunderstood. There is no oath to any individual person or office holder of the government or of anything. No one is above the Constitution and the rule of law despite the fiercest efforts of you PutinTrumpRowers to put your two guys up and over.



Officer Oath

One notable difference between the officer and enlisted oaths is that the oath taken by officers does not include any provision to obey orders; while enlisted personnel are bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice to obey lawful orders, officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States.[3]


I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.[1]


The oath is for an indeterminate period; no duration is specifically defined.


Officers of the National Guard of the various States, however, take an additional oath:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___, that I make this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the Office of [grade] in the Army/Air National Guard of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ upon which I am about to enter, so help me God.[4]






Enlisted Oath

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God)."

Or, if enlisting in the National Guard:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and of the State of (applicable state) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to them; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (applicable state) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. (So help me God)."


Trump is contrary to everything stated above.
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Where in the oath does it say its ok to attack a preaident because you don't like him. This lard ass is a known Trump hater.
 
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vegas giants said:
Actually he is an American hero who told truth to power
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If thats ttue Trump would have been removed from office. Since he wasn't it means no one believed the little left wing porka.
 
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AlphaOmega said:
If thats ttue Trump would have been removed from office. Since he wasn't it means no one believed the little left wing porka.
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I see. You think OJ was innocent. Lol


You think like a child. Lol
 
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AlphaOmega said:
You mean other than the oath he took. lol..priceless democrat fail here^
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Especially with the oath he took as an officer
 
jcgriff2 said:
Yeah - maybe while we were still English colonies.

Vindman is a traitor of the highest order.

He was appointed to the NSC under Obama. That fact tells me all I need to know about the jackass.

Trump should have gotten rid of him on day #1.
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He told truth to.power. He is a hero
 
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