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Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman retires, citing campaign of ‘bullying’ and ‘retaliation’ by Trump after i

Yep, me laughing too....another fun thought that will never happen.

Laughing too, you? Oh, mais yeah!...lol

If Trump resigns before the election, guess who will be president. Can you guess, or do you need a hint?
 
I understand what you are saying about officers hitting a wall on promotion, but it really doesn't apply here. Vindman was getting his promotion. He was set to go to training to set him up for future promotion. Whether he received the NEXT promotion, years from now, would be up to him. He won't be up for another until WELL after Trump leaves office, and I'm sure that any negative information in that one evaluation would be disregarded.

Again, something else is missing here. Most likely, he got a good job offer.

Here is the problem, I do not know when his last oer was, or whether he is in line with negative marks on it, but at the same time supposed defense officials claim he was on the promotion list but he also just decided to retire.

Superior officers have a lot of say in promotion, quite often it is not the secdef or the potus blocking it, but rather the officers superior who are doing the grading. Again I can not say for sure if this happened as I do not know id he had an oer pertaining in the time frame for the promotion board, however even if the oer occurred after, failing for promotion 2 times in a row past a certain rank as officer makes you frozen in your rank, as by that point being passed up for promotion is means you are a screwup.


The oer is different between ranks, an o-1-o3 have a very lenient oer and can usually progress even with negative reviews, o-4 and o-5 are much more critical, and it generally gets more so the higher the rank until you climb high enough up the ladder. A lieutenant can screwup bad and still get promoted after all they are the privates of the officer world, by the time you hit major or lt colonel you are held to much higher standards.


It is very likely despite the claims from supposed un named defense officials that he did not make the promotion list, or that he did and knew even if he made promotion his career was over and that that promotion would be his last and he would spend the rest of his days in a desk position.
 
You know how the system works Tang, you got passed over for SSG.

You know as well as I how the system works and since I wasn't ever a sergeant in the active duty force I was never passed over for SSG or any rank. I went through Junior Rotc in high school and senior Rotc at uni never getting passed over.

In fact I'll let you in on something you never knew or conceived of, which was the Army officer promotion schedule during the time I was in active duty. I was in from 1966-70 but the promotion policy for company grade officers preceded me and continued well after I had been honorably separated.

After one year exactly a 2LT got promoted to 1LT. After one year exactly a 1LT got promoted to captain. After that you were on your own yet during the Vietnam Era Army needed captains more than anything so you as a capt were kept in the rank and grade to the max. With the war going on lieutenants and captains were hard to come by and harder to keep, the life expectancy of a 2LT of Infantry in Vietnam being six months. So we as lieutenants got the bum's rush up to captain as fast as the Army could do it and get away with it, ie, nobody in those ranks was prepared to move up to the next rank, not after a single year in grade.

Nobody liked the mad rush promotion schedule of the time yet that's the way it was. Company grade officers of the time used to joke the only way to avoid being promoted was to go over the hill.
 
Don't throw Trump out yet. He may be America's last hope of avoiding future slavery to uncivilized despots currently being supported by rioters, thieves, arsonists, anarchists, murderers, and insurrectionists.

twump is a literal gangster, mob associate and Russian asset. It's why people like you support him and his treason.
 
Keep strawmanning, dude.



I didnt vote for Trump, so try again, cupcake.



Aww, Layne is upset again and throwing a tantrum, poor thing.



He made a biased claim that Trump was committing a crime.



What does the code have to do with him whining about being persecuted?

Your Dudley Do-Right impersonation, fails, as usual.

Keep pretending that an observation is a strawman, my dude, if it's all you've got.
 
LTC Vindman was assigned to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 2015 until into this year.

Vindman was detailed by chairman JCS to the WH NSC for Russia and Ukraine, in 2018. The detailing ended when Trump chased Vindman out of the WH, at which time Vindman returned to his assigned station with the chairman JCS (different general by this time).

No one in uniform interfered in Vindman's promotions or career. No one in uniform.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...um=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

An Army officer who played a high-profile role in President Trump’s impeachment proceedings is retiring from the military over alleged “bullying” and “retaliation” by the president, his lawyer said Wednesday.

Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who served as a national security aide at the White House until earlier this year and was up for promotion to colonel, will leave the military instead, his lawyer, David Pressman, said in a statement.
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Up for promotion to colonel, Vindman was harassed & intimidated for his testimony in the Trump impeachment trial.

Senator Duckworth threw him into the fire, not Donald Trump.
 
Here is the problem, I do not know when his last oer was, or whether he is in line with negative marks on it, but at the same time supposed defense officials claim he was on the promotion list but he also just decided to retire.

Superior officers have a lot of say in promotion, quite often it is not the secdef or the potus blocking it, but rather the officers superior who are doing the grading. Again I can not say for sure if this happened as I do not know id he had an oer pertaining in the time frame for the promotion board, however even if the oer occurred after, failing for promotion 2 times in a row past a certain rank as officer makes you frozen in your rank, as by that point being passed up for promotion is means you are a screwup.


The oer is different between ranks, an o-1-o3 have a very lenient oer and can usually progress even with negative reviews, o-4 and o-5 are much more critical, and it generally gets more so the higher the rank until you climb high enough up the ladder. A lieutenant can screwup bad and still get promoted after all they are the privates of the officer world, by the time you hit major or lt colonel you are held to much higher standards.


It is very likely despite the claims from supposed un named defense officials that he did not make the promotion list, or that he did and knew even if he made promotion his career was over and that that promotion would be his last and he would spend the rest of his days in a desk position.
I would bet money he's on the list. He is only months from going to NDU/War College. If I were he, I'd stick it out. War College is a good place to reset, stay low, and work contacts. I'm sure he hated the notoriety, and probably worries about his brother's career. He'll probably be an undersecretary at some point.
 
I would bet money he's on the list. He is only months from going to NDU/War College. If I were he, I'd stick it out. War College is a good place to reset, stay low, and work contacts. I'm sure he hated the notoriety, and probably worries about his brother's career. He'll probably be an undersecretary at some point.

But you are not understanding, an oer is written by his superior officers as grading and does not go away at his rank, it sticks until the end of his career. meaning if his superior officers grade him as bad for injecting politics into a sworn hearing, those bad grades follow him everywhere he goes.

In the officer world politics is a no go, atleast in official duty, and in the officer world not playing by the most basic rules is a dead end. Had he just testified what he knew and not injected his opinion on politics he would have been fine, but he defied the most basic rules, and for the officer world he condemned himself to a dead end profession, no matter who is potus. by his actions.
 
You know as well as I how the system works and since I wasn't ever a sergeant in the active duty force I was never passed over for SSG or any rank. I went through Junior Rotc in high school and senior Rotc at uni never getting passed over.

In fact I'll let you in on something you never knew or conceived of, which was the Army officer promotion schedule during the time I was in active duty. I was in from 1966-70 but the promotion policy for company grade officers preceded me and continued well after I had been honorably separated.

After one year exactly a 2LT got promoted to 1LT. After one year exactly a 1LT got promoted to captain. After that you were on your own yet during the Vietnam Era Army needed captains more than anything so you as a capt were kept in the rank and grade to the max. With the war going on lieutenants and captains were hard to come by and harder to keep, the life expectancy of a 2LT of Infantry in Vietnam being six months. So we as lieutenants got the bum's rush up to captain as fast as the Army could do it and get away with it, ie, nobody in those ranks was prepared to move up to the next rank, not after a single year in grade.

Nobody liked the mad rush promotion schedule of the time yet that's the way it was. Company grade officers of the time used to joke the only way to avoid being promoted was to go over the hill.

Trust me, I know all about that promotion schedule, I was commissioned RA in 1967, and went to Viet Nam after Ranger School as a Forward Observer, then Brigade LNO, after a short stint as Bn LNO, then as Battery Commander to end the tour. I was headed to Cambodia, but the Bn commander said my replacement was in, and that I was too short to go, so I spent my last two weeks in country manning the TOC and making sure the bullets got to the guns. What did you do with the Old Guard?
 
he was called before the court to testify and is required to do so by law...that is obeying the law.

How is it that Democrats forgot the actual charges Schiff made?
 
Good. The military doesnt need a 100% whiner.

Well thank goodness Trump had those bone spurs, he would not look good in Camo Depends.
 
But you are not understanding, an oer is written by his superior officers as grading and does not go away at his rank, it sticks until the end of his career. meaning if his superior officers grade him as bad for injecting politics into a sworn hearing, those bad grades follow him everywhere he goes.

In the officer world politics is a no go, atleast in official duty, and in the officer world not playing by the most basic rules is a dead end. Had he just testified what he knew and not injected his opinion on politics he would have been fine, but he defied the most basic rules, and for the officer world he condemned himself to a dead end profession, no matter who is potus. by his actions.
I couldn't disagree more regarding the politics. And I have no doubt he received a glowing OER, otherwise he wouldn't have been selected. He also had to have been boarded for War College (which was his next assignment). That means his paperwork was outstanding, and he was in the top half of his career group. Last year the Army instituted new procedures for below-zone consideration, among other things. I know for my last board fewer than 25% made the list, although it was higher both before my board and the next board. I opted to retire before my second board, as my wife had just been medically retired from her job and permanently disabled. Everyone makes personal choices. I had an excellent career, and my last assignment was outstanding. I just didn't need more administrative headaches that would come with promotion, and no longer had the desire for advancement, but I would have enjoyed another stint at NDU, which was a highlight for me.
 
Trust me, I know all about that promotion schedule, I was commissioned RA in 1967, and went to Viet Nam after Ranger School as a Forward Observer, then Brigade LNO, after a short stint as Bn LNO, then as Battery Commander to end the tour. I was headed to Cambodia, but the Bn commander said my replacement was in, and that I was too short to go, so I spent my last two weeks in country manning the TOC and making sure the bullets got to the guns. What did you do with the Old Guard?

You packed quite the action tour into your commission and the Nam so good on you. The Old Guard put me in Co. E Honor Guard Company, 3rd ptn ldr which is the firing party ptn of the premiere company. While TOG are 11 Inf and there is no ceremonial MOS, our principal ceremonial duty was military funerals in Arlington National Cemetery where on the north side of ANC a small brick wall separates Ft. Myer from the cemetery. Each company did funerals for a week in rotation, forever still. I figure I did a thousand funerals over 42 months, the vast majority being from the Nam. We filled 5 new sections with Nam KIA while I was there. With that many of those funerals you gotta be professional no matter how tough a given funeral might get -- keep your mind precisely on what you're doing instead.

The fun part were the various tattoos, other evening shows to also include day performances such as at Mt. Vernon, numerous holiday parades and the Sunday retreat parade, official ceremonies at WH, State Dept., Pentagon and so on. During winter which was off tourist season we went to Ft. A.P. Hill a miserable ****hole ha in central Virginia for two months to do infantry stuff, in the dark of night mostly and this was before night vision.

The god-colonel thought the sun shone out my ass so I got moved to XO and then to cpy cmdr; I finished off on 1st bn staff as asst adjutant cutting zzzzz's which is how that goes once you get put on a track. I was only one of three Rotc officers during my whole time there so I didn't complain. Boring job on staff but the officers and senior nco were a menagerie ha.

Thingy is TOG belongs to West Point where every colonel is an alum and most officers of all ranks originate, while Rotc guys such as myself used to have to jump through flaming hoops to get in. This is much less so in more recent decades as Rotc grads are well integrated across the armed forces to include TOG where the CO will nevertheless be from WP time immemorial. Still I was the first Rotc grad to command Honor Guard Company and while it's an ordinary thingy for TOG to do now, they just don't do it too often hah -- lest they risk a Black Knight Rebellion.
 
The next Potus/C'nC can activate Vindman to resume his career due to Vindman's clean record and distinguished service that includes being Russia adviser to the chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff before the chairman detailed LTC Vindman to the WH NSC as director of Russia-Ukraine-Eurasia.

After his wounds in Iraq Vindman who has a master's from Harvard in Russia and Eurasian Studies became politico-military attache' to the US embassy in Moscow and then the same in Kiev.

SecDef Esper signed off on Vindman's promotion to bird colonel as recommended by the colonel's promotion board at the Pentagon. Vindman's next assignment before his voluntary resignation was to one of the DoD advanced colleges for another master's degree, this time in International Security, which DoD advanced college still to be determined (Army War College; Command & General Staff College; National Defense University at Ft. McNair in Washington DC). My money says this time next year the reactivated to duty Colonel Vindman will be in the master's program at the NDU.

Why did he resign if he had the opportunity to 'voluntarily' resume his education while still in the military and having it paid for? Doesn't that sound kind of dumb to you?
I received seven years of college education on the government's dime and only put in 5.5 years.
Why quit when it's free?
 
Is this like the thread on racism? Where you dance and parry and won't ever say anything? Well, I'll be hornnswaggled. Vegas never having an opinion or cogent post? Whooda thunk? Getting accidentally injured is being a hero. No wonder McCain was so upset at Trump for saying he was no hero. Trump knew that based on that scenario, EVERYONE in the military should have purple hearts when they are injured and yet, they don't. Go figure, eh, Vegas. Whaddya think bout that?

Gabby Hayes and Walter Brennan used to say 'horn·swog·gled' in the movies.
A very funny word that doesn't sound so serious. Are you really that old?

to trick or deceive (someone) : bamboozle, hoax … trying to avoid getting hornswoggled by advertising claims
 
Why did he resign if he had the opportunity to 'voluntarily' resume his education while still in the military and having it paid for? Doesn't that sound kind of dumb to you?
I received seven years of college education on the government's dime and only put in 5.5 years.
Why quit when it's free?

Because he would never be really 'free' as long as Trump is the Commander in Chief and the Republicans are unwilling or too afraid to hold him to account.
 
First things first,marke. Do you have links to support your allegations against Vindman you put forth in your previous post?. It's a simple YES or NO question. If YES, present the links. If NO, simply admit what you posted is unfounded, biased BS, disrespecting a military veteran, and take your lumps.

Where to start? Let's try here:

Timothy Morrison, Alexander Vindman’s Boss, Reveals Problems They Had With Vindman | The Daily Wire

Senior NSC official Timothy Morrison, who is the former boss of Lt. Colonel Alexander Vindman, testified on Tuesday that Vindman’s bosses had numerous concerns and problems with him.
GOP counsel Steve Castor said, “You had indicated in your deposition that when you took over the [Ukraine] portfolio for Dr. Hill July 15 that you were alerted to potential issues in Colonel Vindman’s judgement?”
“Yes,” Morrison responded.
“Did she relay anything specifically to you why she thought that?” Castor asked.
Morrison responded that the concern apparently came from multiple officials and was an overall general concern about his judgment.
 
From my Post #59 which was before you parachuted into the thread:

Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff detailed Vindman to the WH National Security Council Staff as director of Ukraine-Russia. That was in 2018. Indeed Vindman was assigned by the Army to be Russia adviser to the Chairman JCS in 2015. CJCS in turn detailed Vindman to the NSC.

Once Trump rotated Vindman out of the WH after the impeachment testimony Vindman returned to his assignment with the CJCS. Vindman proceeded to be approved for the rank of colonel by the Pentagon Colonel's Promotion Board and assignment to a DoD senior college that awards master's degrees and doctoral degrees. Vindman's record is clean and upstanding and this is true despite the fierce campaign of the American Armband Right to assassinate Vindman's character, integrity, his stellar military record.

There's more yet all of this is bad news to PutinTrump so their Rowers are out in force at this thread and topic.

I'm sure sour-grape Vindman is sore at Trump for not falling down before him in the impeachment boondoggle, and resents being dismissed. But Vindman had a history of problems the democrats refuse to talk about. He was a bloated egotistical buffoon filled with his own supposed importance and standing. There are many examples. You mention his responsibilities as a diplomat. Vindman referred to himself as a diplomat with great importance in fashioning and implementing US diplomatic policy in Ukraine. That was a bunch of crap. Trump dictated policy and Vindman dismissed it like a tin-pot rebel insurrectionist.

Here is how the egotistical buffoon honored himself in testimony before Congress: "For over 20 years as an active duty United States Military Officer and diplomat, I have served this country in a nonpartisan manner..."

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6543468-Alexander-Vindman-Testimony

Is he stupid? He would have to be to think he was non-partisan or even a diplomat. What an egotistical moron. Although in further testimony he claimed he conducted diplomatic talks with Zelensky, that was never his job and he never actually did it anyway, he was just lying to make himself look good, the egotistical buffoon. He claimed to be a diplomat? Was that true? Only in the thinnest stretch of the term, and then his position was not very flattering in reality in terms of diplomatic title. Let's look at the real diplomat titles in foreign service. The diplomat body assigned to a foreign nation has as its head the Ambassador. Below that is what is called the Minister. Below that is what is called the Minister-Counsellor. Below that is the First Secretary. Below that is the Second Secretary. Below that is the Third Secretary. And, finally, right above the Assistant Attache is the Military Attache.

In modern diplomatic practice, there are a number of diplomatic ranks below Ambassador. Since most missions are now headed by an ambassador, these ranks now rarely indicate a mission's (or its host nation's) relative importance, but rather reflect the diplomat's individual seniority within their own nation's diplomatic career path and in the diplomatic corps in the host nation:

Ambassador (High Commissioner in Commonwealth missions to other Commonwealth countries); ambassador at large
Minister
Minister-Counsellor
Counsellor
First Secretary
Second Secretary
Third Secretary
Attaché
Assistant Attaché
The term attaché is used for any diplomatic agent who does not fit in the standard diplomatic ranks, often because they are not (or were not traditionally) members of the sending country's diplomatic service or foreign ministry, and were therefore only "attached" to the diplomatic mission.


Diplomatic rank - Wikipedia
 
Why did he resign if he had the opportunity to 'voluntarily' resume his education while still in the military and having it paid for? Doesn't that sound kind of dumb to you?
I received seven years of college education on the government's dime and only put in 5.5 years.
Why quit when it's free?

Because he got offered a six figure job
 
The Trumpists will cheer this result Trump's utter corruption.

Remember: the ugliness is the point.

...like we've stated before. You need to actually prove corruption in the first place...
 
He was called. He answered. He didn't call himself. It would help you greatly not to be so ignorant. But personally, I think you like hiding in ignorance as you lash out. It provides you excuses for the kinds of posts you make.

Are we supposed to be shocked that the guy who set this all up because he disagreed with Trump .............testified against Trump?

Is this the new Orwellian world where the obvious is a "surprise" to those who claim that others are ignorant? Has your section society as a whole flown over the cuckoos nest where something like an orchestrated and planned impeachment is to be considered an honorable and good thing because they don't like a president?

Wait! Don't answer that. I was just kidding. I know the answer. I'm not pretending like some others that Schiff and an attorney who openly advertised for people to bring him stuff to use against Trump "just happened" to represent someone who was never there.
 
Are we supposed to be shocked that the guy who set this all up because he disagreed with Trump .............testified against Trump?

Is this the new Orwellian world where the obvious is a "surprise" to those who claim that others are ignorant? Has your section society as a whole flown over the cuckoos nest where something like an orchestrated and planned impeachment is to be considered an honorable and good thing because they don't like a president?

Wait! Don't answer that. I was just kidding. I know the answer. I'm not pretending like some others that Schiff and an attorney who openly advertised for people to bring him stuff to use against Trump "just happened" to represent someone who was never there.

He told the truth. If the truth is against trump so be it
 
Are we supposed to be shocked that the guy who set this all up because he disagreed with Trump .............testified against Trump?

Is this the new Orwellian world where the obvious is a "surprise" to those who claim that others are ignorant? Has your section society as a whole flown over the cuckoos nest where something like an orchestrated and planned impeachment is to be considered an honorable and good thing because they don't like a president?

Wait! Don't answer that. I was just kidding. I know the answer. I'm not pretending like some others that Schiff and an attorney who openly advertised for people to bring him stuff to use against Trump "just happened" to represent someone who was never there.

Well that was a kitchen sink post of ignorance.
 
Here is the problem, I do not know when his last oer was, or whether he is in line with negative marks on it, but at the same time supposed defense officials claim he was on the promotion list but he also just decided to retire.

Superior officers have a lot of say in promotion, quite often it is not the secdef or the potus blocking it, but rather the officers superior who are doing the grading. Again I can not say for sure if this happened as I do not know id he had an oer pertaining in the time frame for the promotion board, however even if the oer occurred after, failing for promotion 2 times in a row past a certain rank as officer makes you frozen in your rank, as by that point being passed up for promotion is means you are a screwup.


The oer is different between ranks, an o-1-o3 have a very lenient oer and can usually progress even with negative reviews, o-4 and o-5 are much more critical, and it generally gets more so the higher the rank until you climb high enough up the ladder. A lieutenant can screwup bad and still get promoted after all they are the privates of the officer world, by the time you hit major or lt colonel you are held to much higher standards.


It is very likely despite the claims from supposed un named defense officials that he did not make the promotion list, or that he did and knew even if he made promotion his career was over and that that promotion would be his last and he would spend the rest of his days in a desk position.

OK. It's possible that the promotion was his last, but that's the case for most Colonels. It still would have made more sense to get the promotion and then retire. At least to wait 5 months and see if the political winds changed. Worth noting, the job he wanted was a desk job. :)

Again, my point is that there's more to the story. What Vindman claimed (or at least, what someone claimed for him) doesn't make sense.
 
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