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More Voters Rule Out Trump Than Biden

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Logophile said:
I'm going to say this again: he's not "Dad."
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He's the POTUS. And the it's his job to lead the nation. You want to have have it both ways (ignore the trash he did say and so who cares when he didn't convey the science and unite the country).

Why do you need Trump to tell you to social distance??
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If he was smart, he would have embraced this stance. Instead, he told people to take hydroxychloroquine!
 
ElChupacabra said:
Yeah, it's clear he's just on a mission to defend his preferred candidate and the attacks against him which is fine. I'm just not a fan of selective use of data to push narratives, which is why I challenge that kind of thing.
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Same. I'll combat the use of lies and propaganda when i come in contact with it.
 
Logophile said:
I'm going to say this again: he's not "Dad."
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No, and I don't think that's what people expect. In any crisis people are looking for reassurance and most importantly stability and a sense that people in authority know what they're doing. By presenting conflicting information through his rhetoric, he failed to take advantage of his position to help reinforce the measures which would likely have kept the country going in the right direction. Other industrialized nations seemed to have sorted this out; somehow we seem incapable of that same level of success.

If you want to blame somebody, blame that lovely totalitarian Asian nation for withholding information and unleashing this awful pandemic on the world. Trump is not Santa Claus. He can't make the pandemic go away because you want him to. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is the key to not getting the bug. You read the news. Why do you need Trump to tell you to social distance?? Some Americans need to grow up and take some personal responsibility. Thanks!!
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One can certainly blame the handling of the virus early on by China, but in the same spirit of "personal responsibility", it's on each nation to handle the pandemic in order to prevent it from creating lasting health and economic impacts. Where the president can take a lead is in reinforcing the message because there are people who listen to the president more than others. We are now seeing the impact of this double messaging and how it can fail. As for personal responsibility, Trump himself said:

Trump said:
Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible. If it doesn’t happen, you’re responsible
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Kushinator said:
Same. I'll combat the use of lies and propaganda when i come in contact with it.
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The interesting thing is I'm sure Conservative thinks I do it because of politics alone, but it's really about misusing data and not being able to defend a position using data honestly. I'm not a partisan in the way he might think I am; there's plenty of failure to go around from a political standpoint. I just think it's dishonest to push the idea that one party has all of the solutions and is beyond reproach; especially in light of how so many accomplishments in this nation have been through the mixture of ideas.
 
Kushinator said:
He's the POTUS. And the it's his job to lead the nation. You want to have have it both ways (ignore the trash he did say and so who cares when he didn't convey the science and unite the country).



If he was smart, he would have embraced this stance. Instead, he told people to take hydroxychloroquine!
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And if he had been the Nanny President you would prefer, you would have criticized him every step of the way, challenging everything he said with the accusation that he was deep down a fascist which is why he wants everybody to wear masks and wash their hands, so he could turn them into sheeple. I mean, do you really need a President of a free country to tell you what to do when there's a virus going around?? I don't. I didn't need any "instruction." I read the news and stayed home when I could. When I pumped gas, I wiped my hands off with alcohol. When I went to a store, I wore a mask. How hard is that?? I didn't NEED him to tell me to wash my hands and wear a mask. It's a free country. The protesters didn't stay home, and they didn't exercise social distancing. Was that Trump's fault, too??
 
Logophile said:
And if he had been the Nanny President you would prefer, you would have criticized him every step of the way, challenging everything he said with the accusation that he was deep down a fascist which is why he wants everybody to wear masks and wash their hands, so he could turn them into sheeple.
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Are you seriously going to play the victim card for Trump after he has gone on the record giving conflicting advice only to now say he supports masks and social distancing?

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No... your bull**** scenario where Trump does the right thing and still gets criticized resides only in your mind.

I mean, do you really need a President of a free country to tell you what to do when there's a virus going around??
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You had no problem with him pushing hydroxychloroquine.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Yeah, it's clear he's just on a mission to defend his preferred candidate and the attacks against him which is fine. I'm just not a fan of selective use of data to push narratives, which is why I challenge that kind of thing.
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No I am on the mission to tell people what you support and the difference. I am not going to change your mind or you mine so again here is the choice

Tell you what, You tell me

The party that supports the defunding of police?

The Party that wants to take away your freedom of Choice

The party that the anarchists, radicals, racists are going to support

the party that kneels for the National Anthem and promotes the BLM national Anthem

The party that supports BLM while ignoring that ALL lives matter including the unborn

The party that doesn't condemn the destruction of U.S. Monuments

The party that promotes Class envy

The Party that participates in the politics of personal destruction

The party that promotes Jealousy and totalitarianism

The party that had the most violent and most actual protests, looting, and destruction of property

I will be voting and supporting the other party
 
Kushinator said:
Stop lying. You only give a damn about polls that are favorable for Trump. Everything else is



I predict it goes to 45% before the election.



By all means, you are free to Texas sharpshooter severely incomplete data sets.
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LOL, here is your problem, you think you can change minds when you cannot even post data in context. then there is this and the choice the American people have along with mine

The party that supports the defunding of police?

The Party that wants to take away your freedom of Choice

The party that the anarchists, radicals, racists are going to support

the party that kneels for the National Anthem and promotes the BLM national Anthem

The party that supports BLM while ignoring that ALL lives matter including the unborn

The party that doesn't condemn the destruction of U.S. Monuments

The party that promotes Class envy

The Party that participates in the politics of personal destruction

The party that promotes Jealousy and totalitarianism

The party that had the most violent and most actual protests, looting, and destruction of property

I will be voting and supporting the other party
 
calamity said:
Trump is getting his ass handed to him.

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Deny away, but Trump's numbers are absolutely horrible. And, Republicans know it.

GOP operatives worry Trump will lose both the presidency and Senate majority
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Love those polls in June and obviously the election is over and you are going to get your nanny state. In spite of that I have a choice and will choose per the following

The party that supports the defunding of police?

The Party that wants to take away your freedom of Choice

The party that the anarchists, radicals, racists are going to support

the party that kneels for the National Anthem and promotes the BLM national Anthem

The party that supports BLM while ignoring that ALL lives matter including the unborn

The party that doesn't condemn the destruction of U.S. Monuments

The party that promotes Class envy

The Party that participates in the politics of personal destruction

The party that promotes Jealousy and totalitarianism

The party that had the most violent and most actual protests, looting, and destruction of property

I will be voting and supporting the other party
 
Michael Cole said:
More Voters Rule Out Trump Than Biden | Monmouth University Polling Institute

A comprehensive poll from Monmouth, with many interesting results and trends.

A couple things...

West Long Branch, NJ – Half of the nation’s electorate says they have ruled out voting for Donald Trump in November, while 4 in 10 say the same about Joe Biden.

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“Half of all registered voters have ruled out backing Trump. Trump showed in 2016 that he can thread the needle, but these results suggest the president has even less room for error in 2020. He must convert some of those unlikely supporters if he is to win a second term,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

A key difference from four years ago is that fewer voters have a negative opinion of the Democratic nominee. Biden’s rating stands at 44% favorable and 44% unfavorable. It was 42%–49% in early June. Hillary Clinton’s rating in July 2016 was 34% favorable and 52% unfavorable. Trump currently has a negative 38% favorable and 55% unfavorable opinion. It was 38%–57% in early June. As a candidate four years ago, he held a 31% favorable and 53% unfavorable rating.

Trump's favorability is way under water, and with half the electorate having ruled out voting for Trump, what strategy can Trump possibly use to turn things around at this stage? People who have ruled out Trump are not going to change their minds easily, and barring some unforeseen event, I fail to see how Trump moves his favorability rating in a positive direction.

Though Trump's rating is a bit better than in 2016, Biden pulling even at 44/44 is a 7 point swing from last month. Combined with fund raising totals, Biden has the clear momentum.
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You are getting that from the same silly opinion polls that told you in 2016 that the hildabeast was going to be your next president. At this point in 2016, your party's polling averages were giving Trump a 16% chance of winning the election. Go figure!
 
Kushinator said:
I get to use you as an example of ignorance, dishonesty, and intolerance.
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Right and I will continue to confuse you with facts, logic, and common sense. Guess you support the following, I don't

The party that supports the defunding of police?

The Party that wants to take away your freedom of Choice

The party that the anarchists, radicals, racists are going to support

the party that kneels for the National Anthem and promotes the BLM national Anthem

The party that supports BLM while ignoring that ALL lives matter including the unborn

The party that doesn't condemn the destruction of U.S. Monuments

The party that promotes Class envy

The Party that participates in the politics of personal destruction

The party that promotes Jealousy and totalitarianism

The party that had the most violent and most actual protests, looting, and destruction of property

I will be voting and supporting the other party
 
Michael Cole said:
More Voters Rule Out Trump Than Biden | Monmouth University Polling Institute

A comprehensive poll from Monmouth, with many interesting results and trends.

A couple things...

West Long Branch, NJ – Half of the nation’s electorate says they have ruled out voting for Donald Trump in November, while 4 in 10 say the same about Joe Biden.

...and

“Half of all registered voters have ruled out backing Trump. Trump showed in 2016 that he can thread the needle, but these results suggest the president has even less room for error in 2020. He must convert some of those unlikely supporters if he is to win a second term,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

A key difference from four years ago is that fewer voters have a negative opinion of the Democratic nominee. Biden’s rating stands at 44% favorable and 44% unfavorable. It was 42%–49% in early June. Hillary Clinton’s rating in July 2016 was 34% favorable and 52% unfavorable. Trump currently has a negative 38% favorable and 55% unfavorable opinion. It was 38%–57% in early June. As a candidate four years ago, he held a 31% favorable and 53% unfavorable rating.

Trump's favorability is way under water, and with half the electorate having ruled out voting for Trump, what strategy can Trump possibly use to turn things around at this stage? People who have ruled out Trump are not going to change their minds easily, and barring some unforeseen event, I fail to see how Trump moves his favorability rating in a positive direction.

Though Trump's rating is a bit better than in 2016, Biden pulling even at 44/44 is a 7 point swing from last month. Combined with fund raising totals, Biden has the clear momentum.
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Trumps lack of leadership, and crisis management skills are glaring. The average American can now see Trump is not up to the job. We could go on about Biden this or that, but it's not a factor. It's a referendum on Trump. I will add, no President has won reelection with less than 47% approval rating. I don't see this trend being broken in Nov.
 
yankintx said:
Trumps lack of leadership, and crisis management skills are glaring. The average American can now see Trump is not up to the job. We could go on about Biden this or that, but it's not a factor. It's a referendum on Trump. I will add, no President has won reelection with less than 47% approval rating. I don't see this trend being broken in Nov.
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So you think the average American will ignore the following? I won't. You leftist focus solely on one issue not the big picture and what really matters to the American people, safety and security. Trump not being up to the job??? I have seen no proof of that and I see people voting for Trump because of the following

The party that supports the defunding of police?

The Party that wants to take away your freedom of Choice

The party that the anarchists, radicals, racists are going to support

the party that kneels for the National Anthem and promotes the BLM national Anthem

The party that supports BLM while ignoring that ALL lives matter including the unborn

The party that doesn't condemn the destruction of U.S. Monuments

The party that promotes Class envy

The Party that participates in the politics of personal destruction

The party that promotes Jealousy and totalitarianism

The party that had the most violent and most actual protests, looting, and destruction of property

I will be voting and supporting the other party
 
Conservative said:
So I remain waiting for you to give me the qualifications you want from a President and the metrics that you will judge performance on? All I see from you is hatred of Trump never discussion on results
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Recently, Hannity gave trump a softball question regarding his plan for his second term. trump responded with his usual bull**** indicating he has no clue what he's doing. To claim that this criminal, incompetent administration has yielded any "results" that have put America in a better place is laughable.
 
lurchadams said:
Recently, Hannity gave trump a softball question regarding his plan for his second term. trump responded with his usual bull**** indicating he has no clue what he's doing. To claim that this criminal, incompetent administration has yielded any "results" that have put America in a better place is laughable.
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Most CEO's have no idea what they are going to do even if they have a plan as they react to the situation. You seem to believe that a term limited President has the power and authority to provide for all your personal responsibility issues. Tell me which of the following resonates with the AVERAGE American?

The problem of leadership isn't Trump it is with Democratic Mayors promoting liberal ideology and so called tolerance

The party that supports the defunding of police?

The Party that wants to take away your freedom of Choice

The party that the anarchists, radicals, racists are going to support

the party that kneels for the National Anthem and promotes the BLM national Anthem

The party that supports BLM while ignoring that ALL lives matter including the unborn

The party that doesn't condemn the destruction of U.S. Monuments

The party that promotes Class envy

The Party that participates in the politics of personal destruction

The party that promotes Jealousy and totalitarianism

The party that had the most violent and most actual protests, looting, and destruction of property

I will be voting and supporting the other party
 
HumblePi said:
If we look at the breakdown of voters who supported Trump in 2016, the largest groups of voters sorted by age, were in the range of people age 50 to 65+. These are the people that are the most vulnerable if infected with Covid-19. These are the voters that know Trump let them down. And these are the voters that will make Trump a one-term president.

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That take is hilarious and ignorant. You do not even understand the history of your own ideology. The 65 plus folks are the baby boom generation that authored the progressive movement to begin with.Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, etc are the children of the 60s.The left wing of the baby boom generation were the anarchists of that era fighting against the establishment. Now they are the establishment they fought against. And you are proving that you truly do not know what hit you in 2016. It was not just about Trump. It was not the 50 to 65+ crowd that elected Trump. It was working class Americans. You should have figured that out from the so-called blue firewall states flipping from blue to red. The hildabeast campaign on killing on phasing out one or more of the industries those areas exist on.....coal mining is one example.
 
Michael Cole said:
More Voters Rule Out Trump Than Biden | Monmouth University Polling Institute

A comprehensive poll from Monmouth, with many interesting results and trends.

A couple things...

West Long Branch, NJ – Half of the nation’s electorate says they have ruled out voting for Donald Trump in November, while 4 in 10 say the same about Joe Biden.

...and

“Half of all registered voters have ruled out backing Trump. Trump showed in 2016 that he can thread the needle, but these results suggest the president has even less room for error in 2020. He must convert some of those unlikely supporters if he is to win a second term,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

A key difference from four years ago is that fewer voters have a negative opinion of the Democratic nominee. Biden’s rating stands at 44% favorable and 44% unfavorable. It was 42%–49% in early June. Hillary Clinton’s rating in July 2016 was 34% favorable and 52% unfavorable. Trump currently has a negative 38% favorable and 55% unfavorable opinion. It was 38%–57% in early June. As a candidate four years ago, he held a 31% favorable and 53% unfavorable rating.

Trump's favorability is way under water, and with half the electorate having ruled out voting for Trump, what strategy can Trump possibly use to turn things around at this stage? People who have ruled out Trump are not going to change their minds easily, and barring some unforeseen event, I fail to see how Trump moves his favorability rating in a positive direction.

Though Trump's rating is a bit better than in 2016, Biden pulling even at 44/44 is a 7 point swing from last month. Combined with fund raising totals, Biden has the clear momentum.
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Another factor you liberal activists want to ignore when touting polls. The silent majority will take our country back

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Cultural tyranny reigns in America, the last step before full-fledged political tyranny.

Lurking beneath the surface of virtue signaling leftists are tyrants seeking to exert their will over those they despise. The defining leftist culture enables them to ruthlessly use all the power at their disposal, both real and imagined, to enforce a single acceptable viewpoint on society.
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Michael Cole said:
I'm beyond impressed with the Democrats this cycle. I think they chose the perfect candidate, and he's being handled with great skill and precision. I always expect the Democrats to blunder somewhere along the way, but so far Biden is batting 1.000
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Biden is not even living in his own head. He is a place holding with rapidly declining cognitive abilities. Any chance the democrats have in 202 will depend solely on who they pick as Biden's running mate....that is if they do not drop him before the convention.
 
uptower said:
Entirely possible, but to come back to victory from a double-digit lag means a lot of things have to go very right for Trump and go very badly for Biden in the next few months. Trump has no chance of winning the popular vote and if turnout is high, the gap will be bigger than between him and Clinton.

Now on squeezing through via the electoral college again, who knows...
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We do not elect presidents by popular vote. Have you heard of the electoral college?
 
ObamacareFail said:
That take is hilarious and ignorant. You do not even understand the history of your own ideology. The 65 plus folks are the baby boom generation that authored the progressive movement to begin with.Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, etc are the children of the 60s.The left wing of the baby boom generation were the anarchists of that era fighting against the establishment. Now they are the establishment they fought against. And you are proving that you truly do not know what hit you in 2016. It was not just about Trump. It was not the 50 to 65+ crowd that elected Trump. It was working class Americans. You should have figured that out from the so-called blue firewall states flipping from blue to red. The hildabeast campaign on killing on phasing out one or more of the industries those areas exist on.....coal mining is one example.
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Just like a Trumper, argue with facts and statistics. I think to ignore facts is ignorant.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Biden is not even living in his own head. He is a place holding with rapidly declining cognitive abilities. Any chance the democrats have in 202 will depend solely on who they pick as Biden's running mate....that is if they do not drop him before the convention.
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Run with that, or should I say keep running with that. Because it's worked so well thus far.
 
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