More Voters Rule Out Trump Than Biden

Michael Cole said:

More Voters Rule Out Trump Than Biden | Monmouth University Polling Institute

A comprehensive poll from Monmouth, with many interesting results and trends.

A couple things...

West Long Branch, NJ – Half of the nation’s electorate says they have ruled out voting for Donald Trump in November, while 4 in 10 say the same about Joe Biden.

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Mmm hmmm...

DEMOGRAPHICS (weighted)
REGISTERED VOTERS

29% Republican
38% Independent
33% Democrat

And a polling company based out of New Jersey...

I wonder if they called a small sample of Republicans in the Northeast and then weighted the sample, to avoid calling Republicans in the rural areas of the country

Hmmm...

Sanjja said:

This isn't surprising at all. But I think it might still be possible that polls will narrow down as we get closer to election day.

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Yeah just depends on how much

Michael Cole said:

So what are the odds an October vaccine will convert the older voters? What are the odds of an October vaccine? Will Trump try to sell more HCQ-style snake oil?

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If a vaccine is out by then he'll claim credit - even if it was developed in China. If it isn't, he'll definitely push another unproven 'cure' like HCQ in the hopes that a brief spike in optimism gets him a few new votes. I won't half be surprised if he announces on the eve of election they've created a vaccine and will start delivering and forgets the day after. He simply doesn't care who he lies to or what about if it helps him in the moment.

calamity said:

Trump has completely alienated the independent vote. It's almost like he believed his own rhetoric, and thought his base could carry him to victory. He is going to be humiliated in Nov.

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I agree that Trump's antics, his obnoxious, uncouth personality, his very unpresidential behavior have driven many independents away from him. The strange thing is independents are fairly split on his policies, for some, against some, more or less 50-50 support/oppose. Yet only 34% of independents have an favorable view of him, 55% unfavorable. There's a disconnect in how independents see or like what Trump has done as president and how they like/dislike him as a person. Question 83A. When a group is basically 50-50 on policy, one expects that group to be 50-50 on favorable/unfavorable if their view of Trump was based on policy and his stances on the issues as president. They aren't.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/cjd35jrh5o/econTabReport.pdf

Then you have who independents plan on voting for, 35% of independents say Trump, 43% say Biden, 9% state other or third party with the rest undecided. Question 58. Compare those numbers to 2016, Trump vs. Clinton, 46% of independents voted for Trump, he's at minus 11 from 4 years ago. 42% voted for Hillary Clinton, Biden at 43% is up one from her numbers of four years ago. That's a swing of 12 points in the Democrats favor. 9% say third party/other, that's down 3 from 2016. We still have the undecided's, but they usually break for the challenger, against the incumbent. I'd say Biden is in pretty good shape among independents. At least as of today.

But the election is 4 months away, these numbers are dynamic and change constantly, but nonetheless, Biden is in a very good position. We still don't know how this CoronaVirus is going to effect the general election campaign, the debates and the voting in November. We do have a lot of unknowns and unanswered questions.

Michael Cole said:

So what are the odds an October vaccine will convert the older voters? What are the odds of an October vaccine? Will Trump try to sell more HCQ-style snake oil?

The irony of Trump's base turning on him because of covid is brilliant.

This Tweet expresses my opinion:
Old people relate to Biden, not Trump. Also, his policies (or lack thereof) are killing them.

I was thinking the same thing. Trump's criticisms of Biden's mental capacity may be backfiring on him, as Joe Biden simply acts old, not demented.

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Whether or not there is a vaccine by October, Trump will lie and claim there is one. Just watch.

I imagine that once the replay of yesterday’s lousy speech hits to airwaves even more Never Trumpers will be born. I’m beginning to see Biden getting 75 million votes while Trump won’t even break 50.

Perotista said:

I agree that Trump's antics, his obnoxious, uncouth personality, his very unpresidential behavior have driven many independents away from him. The strange thing is independents are fairly split on his policies, for some, against some, more or less 50-50 support/oppose. Yet only 34% of independents have an favorable view of him, 55% unfavorable. There's a disconnect in how independents see or like what Trump has done as president and how they like/dislike him as a person. Question 83A. When a group is basically 50-50 on policy, one expects that group to be 50-50 on favorable/unfavorable if their view of Trump was based on policy and his stances on the issues as president. They aren't.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/cjd35jrh5o/econTabReport.pdf

Then you have who independents plan on voting for, 35% of independents say Trump, 43% say Biden, 9% state other or third party with the rest undecided. Question 58. Compare those numbers to 2016, Trump vs. Clinton, 46% of independents voted for Trump, he's at minus 11 from 4 years ago. 42% voted for Hillary Clinton, Biden at 43% is up one from her numbers of four years ago. That's a swing of 12 points in the Democrats favor. 9% say third party/other, that's down 3 from 2016. We still have the undecided's, but they usually break for the challenger, against the incumbent. I'd say Biden is in pretty good shape among independents. At least as of today.

But the election is 4 months away, these numbers are dynamic and change constantly, but nonetheless, Biden is in a very good position. We still don't know how this CoronaVirus is going to effect the general election campaign, the debates and the voting in November. We do have a lot of unknowns and unanswered questions.

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A question worth looking into: how many people identifying as GOP in 2016 now call themselves Independent? My guess is those numbers have soared.

Michael Cole said:

More Voters Rule Out Trump Than Biden | Monmouth University Polling Institute

A comprehensive poll from Monmouth, with many interesting results and trends.

A couple things...

West Long Branch, NJ – Half of the nation’s electorate says they have ruled out voting for Donald Trump in November, while 4 in 10 say the same about Joe Biden.

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“Half of all registered voters have ruled out backing Trump. Trump showed in 2016 that he can thread the needle, but these results suggest the president has even less room for error in 2020. He must convert some of those unlikely supporters if he is to win a second term,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

A key difference from four years ago is that fewer voters have a negative opinion of the Democratic nominee. Biden’s rating stands at 44% favorable and 44% unfavorable. It was 42%–49% in early June. Hillary Clinton’s rating in July 2016 was 34% favorable and 52% unfavorable. Trump currently has a negative 38% favorable and 55% unfavorable opinion. It was 38%–57% in early June. As a candidate four years ago, he held a 31% favorable and 53% unfavorable rating.

Trump's favorability is way under water, and with half the electorate having ruled out voting for Trump, what strategy can Trump possibly use to turn things around at this stage? People who have ruled out Trump are not going to change their minds easily, and barring some unforeseen event, I fail to see how Trump moves his favorability rating in a positive direction.

Though Trump's rating is a bit better than in 2016, Biden pulling even at 44/44 is a 7 point swing from last month. Combined with fund raising totals, Biden has the clear momentum.

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Bring it on, Liberals, you want to defund our police, tear down statutes, destroy anyone who gets in your way, the silent majority isn't going to allow that to happen

Your problem continues to be one of context, you seem to believe that hatred is going to drive people to the polls in November and you are probably right, you and the rest of the left are galvanizing the silent majority and the left will take our country back in November

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calamity said:

A question worth looking into: how many people identifying as GOP in 2016 now call themselves Independent? My guess is those numbers have soared.

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when asked what a President Biden Presidency would look like and do to make things better for the American people, all I get are people like you demonizing Trump. You and others refuse to answer that question or maybe you are giving me the right answer, silence!

The American people will have a choice in November, vote for the party of hatred, rioting, looting, defunding police, racism or the party of patriots, pro private sector economic policies, freedoms, support for the police, support for the rule of law, anti anarchists in spite of personal dislike for Trump. the choice then is clear, Trump in a landslide

Liz Peek: Left silences silent majority – but watch for this in November | Fox News

calamity said:

A question worth looking into: how many people identifying as GOP in 2016 now call themselves Independent? My guess is those numbers have soared.

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On 11 Dec 2016 Gallup put party affiliation at 28% Republican, 39% independent, 29% Democrat. As of 4 Jun 2020, Gallup has the numbers 25% Republican, 40% Independent, 31% Democrat. A slight change, nothing wholesale, but these numbers are very dynamic and change all the time. Back on 15 Jan 2020 Gallup had the numbers at 27% Republican, 45% independent, 27% Democratic. Since the 1 Jan 2020, the Republican high has been 33%, their low 25% which is where the GOP is at today, 25%. The Democrats have ranged from a high of 31% to a low of 27% since the first of the year. The Democrats are at their high point today.

The thing is as of today, the Democrats have a 6 point advantage in party affiliation which is huge. Especially since independents are leaning toward Biden. But like everything else, these numbers are dynamic and change constantly. If the election were held today, I'd say Biden is a shoe in, the Democrats take back the senate and increase slightly their numbers in the House. But the election isn't today, it's four months off. Anything can happen between now and then. It usually does.

Mmm... trump unable to string a sentence of logical words in a sentence, and Biden, aye, Biden, keep the man away from children and women.....are you saying there is no-one in America better than these cretins? This is the best America can produce? Please!
A seventy eight old man with limited abilities, who has informed you..... it's a secret who he's going to have as a running mate....are Americans stupid children to be treated in this manner. You are adults, and can be treated like adults, not backward children frightened of shadows.

Perotista said:

On 11 Dec 2016 Gallup put party affiliation at 28% Republican, 39% independent, 29% Democrat. As of 4 Jun 2020, Gallup has the numbers 25% Republican, 40% Independent, 31% Democrat. A slight change, nothing wholesale, but these numbers are very dynamic and change all the time. Back on 15 Jan 2020 Gallup had the numbers at 27% Republican, 45% independent, 27% Democratic. Since the 1 Jan 2020, the Republican high has been 33%, their low 25% which is where the GOP is at today, 25%. The Democrats have ranged from a high of 31% to a low of 27% since the first of the year. The Democrats are at their high point today.

The thing is as of today, the Democrats have a 6 point advantage in party affiliation which is huge. Especially since independents are leaning toward Biden. But like everything else, these numbers are dynamic and change constantly. If the election were held today, I'd say Biden is a shoe in, the Democrats take back the senate and increase slightly their numbers in the House. But the election isn't today, it's four months off. Anything can happen between now and then. It usually does.

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There is going to come a time when actual issues have to be addressed by the Democrats as the hate Trump rhetoric will only go so far. You can never change the mind of a radical on either side but I still believe there are enough Americans who will focus on the issues and vote for their own self interests in November and that doesn't bode well for Biden.

Those that blame Trump for the COVID19 aren't going to change their minds but eventually will look at their own economic situation, hold their nose and vote for Trump or may even stay home and that doesn't bode well for Biden.

I keep asking the left the question what would a President Biden do to make this country, our family, and us better since obviously economic results don't matter to many who apparently are very comfortable with being told what to do and having their own personal responsibility issues managed by someone else

Highlanders said:

Mmm... trump unable to string a sentence of logical words in a sentence, and Biden, aye, Biden, keep the man away from children and women.....are you saying there is no-one in America better than these cretins? This is the best America can produce? Please!
A seventy eight old man with limited abilities, who has informed you..... it's a secret who he's going to have as a running mate....are Americans stupid children to be treated in this manner. You are adults, and can be treated like adults, not backward children frightened of shadows.

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So who is your ideal candidate and why? Is there ever going to come a time when you and the left actually discuss issues and offer alternatives to Trump to generate better economic results and what would those results be since apparently the Pre pandemic results aren't it

GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?
2014 17527.3 +742.0
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0+487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison through February 2020. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility. GDP components are personal consumption, business investment, government spending, and net exports. Obama's GDP growth was 4.3 trillion 8 years, Trump 2.7 trillion three, Obama's due to gov't spending, Trump consumer spending

Apps Test | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Unemployment Rate(U3) 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% February 2020-U-3


Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million February 2020 so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!!


U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed


Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office


African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?

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Conservative said:

There is going to come a time when actual issues have to be addressed by the Democrats as the hate Trump rhetoric will only go so far. You can never change the mind of a radical on either side but I still believe there are enough Americans who will focus on the issues and vote for their own self interests in November and that doesn't bode well for Biden.

Those that blame Trump for the COVID19 aren't going to change their minds but eventually will look at their own economic situation, hold their nose and vote for Trump or may even stay home and that doesn't bode well for Biden.

I keep asking the left the question what would a President Biden do to make this country, our family, and us better since obviously economic results don't matter to many who apparently are very comfortable with being told what to do and having their own personal responsibility issues managed by someone else

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I think you and most of Trump supporters completely overlook the cumulative effect of his obnoxious personality, his very unpresidential behavior, his more or less of his in your face persona. You had Trump having a 55% approval on the economy in Nov 2018, his over all job approval was at 43%. I never seen such a gap in my life. Usually the job approval on the economy and overall are within a couple of points of each other. There had to be a reason. A much overlooked reason. The good economy numbers didn't stop a blue wave in the 2018 midterms. An election where independents switch from voting GOP, Trump 46-42 to voting against GOP congress critters 42-54. The good economy didn't save the GOP congress critters. I doubt it will save Trump this year either.

I think independents have deserted Trump more on his antics, his distasteful persona he presents to one and all than anything he has done or didn't do as president. More on a WWE persona than his policies, his stances on issues and yes, the economy. I think quite a lot of independents who voted for Trump in 2016 are sick and tired of his very unpresidential behavior and will either vote for Biden or third party if they dislike both major party candidates as 12% of independents did in 2016.

Reelections are always more about the incumbent than about the challenger. If one is happy with the incumbent, they vote that way. If they're unhappy with the incumbent, they look toward the challenger to see where he fits in the scheme of things. If they're then happy with the challenger, they vote for him or if dissatisfied with both, vote against both by voting third party or voting for the candidate they least want to lose. Not win, but least want to lose. Right now, a lot more independents are dissatisfied with Trump than Biden. But we still have 4 months to go, a lot can change in four months.

Bottom line, if the election were held to day, Biden in a landslide and the GOP loses the senate. But it's not. My prediction for November, none. Unknown. I seen quite a few candidates with leads the first week of July fall apart and lose in November to make a prediction. But I don't think Trump will win in November due to the small pool of undecided's in 2020. This is way too long, so the undecided's will have to wait.

Perotista said:

I think you and most of Trump supporters completely overlook the cumulative effect of his obnoxious personality, his very unpresidential behavior, his more or less of his in your face persona. You had Trump having a 55% approval on the economy in Nov 2018, his over all job approval was at 43%. I never seen such a gap in my life. Usually the job approval on the economy and overall are with a couple of points of each other. There had to be a reason. A much overlooked reason. The good economy numbers did stop a blue wave in the 2018 midterms. An election where independents switch from voting GOP, Trump 46-42 to voting against GOP congress critters 42-54. The good economy didn't save the GOP congress critters. I doubt it will save Trump this year either.

I think independents have deserted Trump more on his antics, his distasteful persona he presents to one and all than anything he has done or didn't do as president. More on a WWE persona than his policies, his stances on issues and yes, the economy. I think quite a lot of independents who voted for Trump in 2016 are sick and tired of his very unpresidential behavior and will either vote for Biden or third party if they dislike both major party candidates as 12% of independents did in 2016.

Reelections are always more about the incumbent than about the challenger. If one is happy with the incumbent, they vote that way. If they're unhappy with the incumbent, they look toward the challenger to see where he fits in the scheme of things. If they're then happy with the challenger, they vote for him or if dissatisfied with both, vote against both by voting third party.Right now, a lot more independents are dissatisfied with Trump than Biden. But we still have 4 months to go, a lot can change in four months.

Bottom line, if the election were held to day, Biden in a landslide and the GOP loses the senate. But it's not. My prediction for November, none. Unknown. I seen quite a few candidates with leads the first week of July fall apart and lose in November to make a prediction. But I don't think Trump will win in November due to the small pool of undecided's in 2020. This is way too long, so the undecided's will have to wait.

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Actually an obnoxious personality serves this country quite well in a very dangerous world. There has to be an alternative to Trump that will generate positive results and a charming personality isn't it

Biden isn't even the candidate today and you completely under estimate the American people where results matter. Still waiting for an issues debate and what Biden will do to make this country better and safer, appeasement of China?

btthegreat said:

I was very nervous about this nominee, and now I am less so. He always had natural advantages because he already had established his 'image' ( harder for negative ads to create something on a pre-painted canvas. It certainly takes up a lot more money to do so) and it is far different from Hillary's because his includes a self effacing sense of humor ( no arrogance in Joe), he's harder to pin a scandal on, and he does 'empathy' well. He is stronger with unions and white men which helps in those purple states. Even prickly old Bernie likes Joe and that shows in his willingness to take on the 'Bernie or Bust' types

It is a very disciplined campaign. Evidently he has another advantage I had not thought about that you are pointing out. The guy listens to advice, AND HE TAKES IT. The Clintons always assumed they were the political geniuses of their time, and as for Donald....

So each day, Biden comes out to make a couple of videos for fundraising and makes an appearance where he takes his pot shots at Trump, looking Presidential, and talks about his subject of the day. He is actually staying on message, and reduces his risk of overexposure and offers the GOP a target an inch sized target , while he watches as Donald gives him a barn sized one, and flounders.

Not sure how long this will last, because more will be expected as we close in on convention time but we just might have a lot more to thank the good voters in the Carolinas for, than I realized.

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Sorry for the double reply, but I want to compliment you on what I've bolded. The fact that Biden presents this inch-sized target is what makes him the best candidate to beat Trump. Trump knows this, and got himself impeached over it. This isn't to say other candidates couldn't have won as well, but in this age of attack politics (which is Trump's forte), the candidate with the smallest target takes the most wind out of Trump's campaign strategy. With the covid economy remaining sluggish and recovery uncertain, the Trump campaign has essentially been rendered impotent by the Democrats.

Yes, thank you South Carolina. What we're witnessing is almost stranger than fiction. Biden was on life support after Nevada, but I remember his words, "Wait until South Carolina." What we saw wasn't accomplished by one man. It wasn't accomplished by ideology. It wasn't voters' opinions on policy. It was a combined party effort - from top to bottom, including voters - to win. Thank you Jim Clyburn. The trust instilled in this man from his constituents is admirable, and as we now can see, very wise.

This is what impresses me about the party this time around. The storybook irony of Democrats fighting like Republicans, with the help of several (ex)GOP headed PACs, to defeat a phony Republican incumbent, will surely be studied by future historians.

Conservative said:

Actually an obnoxious personality serves this country quite well in a very dangerous world. There has to be an alternative to Trump that will generate positive results and a charming personality isn't it

Biden isn't even the candidate today and you completely under estimate the American people where results matter. Still waiting for an issues debate and what Biden will do to make this country better and safer, appeasement of China?

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I'm not sure an issues debate will matter. History shows that on average 90% of Republicans and Democrats will vote for their candidate regardless of who that candidate is. What we don't know is how independents, the swing voters will vote for. Now independents are political junkies like those of us on this site. They don't pay much attention to politics in Washington at all until an election rolls around. They're too busy making ends meet, taking care of family, watching and rooting for their favorite sports team or watching their favorite shows on TV.

To many independents elections are a beauty contest. It's all about their perceptions of the candidates, the political parties, how they arrive at their perceptions, there a thousand different ways. I think Trump personality played a much bigger roll in the 2018 midterms than any policy or what the Republican controlled congress did or didn't do. I think his persona, his unpresidential behavior when it comes to those independents who view the presidential election as a beauty contest will be their persuadable factor. Not issues, not policy, but personality.

Usually the candidate with the most charisma wins these voters. Biden nor Trump in my opinion have an ounce of charisma. So perhaps these independents, these swing voters will base their vote on who they judge is the adult in the room. Maybe, I don't know that. Perhaps the bottom line is these independents are tired of Trump's childish behavior as president and will be will to vote for a bland, vanilla, gaff prone, non-charismatic individual. Maybe after four years of Trump, bland will do nicely.

Time will tell.

Conservative said:

when asked what a President Biden Presidency would look like and do to make things better for the American people, all I get are people like you demonizing Trump. You and others refuse to answer that question or maybe you are giving me the right answer, silence!

The American people will have a choice in November, vote for the party of hatred, rioting, looting, defunding police, racism or the party of patriots, pro private sector economic policies, freedoms, support for the police, support for the rule of law, anti anarchists in spite of personal dislike for Trump. the choice then is clear, Trump in a landslide

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That has nothing to do with my post.

Perotista said:

On 11 Dec 2016 Gallup put party affiliation at 28% Republican, 39% independent, 29% Democrat. As of 4 Jun 2020, Gallup has the numbers 25% Republican, 40% Independent, 31% Democrat.

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Thanks for digging that up.

A slight change, nothing wholesale, but these numbers are very dynamic and change all the time. Back on 15 Jan 2020 Gallup had the numbers at 27% Republican, 45% independent, 27% Democratic. Since the 1 Jan 2020, the Republican high has been 33%, their low 25% which is where the GOP is at today, 25%. The Democrats have ranged from a high of 31% to a low of 27% since the first of the year. The Democrats are at their high point today.

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Given the current state of affairs, this makes sense. I'd say the GOP is on a hard downward slide. Maybe, this culture war crap can limit the damage Trump is doing to the party. But, I sort of doubt it. I can see GOP sliding to below 23% over the next few months, as the deaths from COVID soar and the economy tanks as a result.

The thing is as of today, the Democrats have a 6 point advantage in party affiliation which is huge. Especially since independents are leaning toward Biden. But like everything else, these numbers are dynamic and change constantly. If the election were held today, I'd say Biden is a shoe in, the Democrats take back the senate and increase slightly their numbers in the House. But the election isn't today, it's four months off. Anything can happen between now and then. It usually does.

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Yes, when we look at the aggregate, 6 points out of 120,000,000 voters is an astounding 7 million votes. That would push Trump's popular vote totals down into the low 50-million range, and Biden up to well over 70.

FYI: I do not see COVID improving before November, but I do see it getting worse. Much worse. So, like I said in a post earlier. I predict Trump receives fewer than 50 million votes in November.

Conservative said:

Actually an obnoxious personality serves this country quite well in a very dangerous world. There has to be an alternative to Trump that will generate positive results and a charming personality isn't it

Biden isn't even the candidate today and you completely under estimate the American people where results matter. Still waiting for an issues debate and what Biden will do to make this country better and safer, appeasement of China?

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Being obnoxious serves no one. It just pisses people off. It's good only for professional athletes, and Trump's style is akin to WWE, as Perotista mentioned. It only works politically with a divided nation, as we see now. Most are tired of the division and the attack nature of Trumpism. Trump's obnoxious persona serves himself and his base, not the country. "Dangerous world" players don't fear it, they mock it.

The only issues on people's minds are covid, the economy, and racial justice. Trump is doing very poorly with all three. People overwhelmingly trust Biden over Trump on two of these issues, and as Pero noted, the good economy didn't save the GOP in 2018. We don't yet have a recovery, so Trump has no economy to promote. It's a total loss for Trump, and that's exactly what this polling shows.

calamity said:

That has nothing to do with my post.

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certainly does, the silent majority won't make a mistake in electing another career public servant

Michael Cole said:

Being obnoxious serves no one. It just pisses people off. It's good only for professional athletes, and Trump's style is akin to WWE, as Perotista mentioned. It only works politically with a divided nation, as we see now. Most are tired of the division and the attack nature of Trumpism. Trump's obnoxious persona serves himself and his base, not the country. "Dangerous world" players don't fear it, they mock it.

The only issues on people's minds are covid, the economy, and racial justice. Trump is doing very poorly with all three. People overwhelmingly trust Biden over Trump on two of these issues, and as Pero noted, the good economy didn't save the GOP in 2018. We don't yet have a recovery, so Trump has no economy to promote. It's a total loss for Trump, and that's exactly what this polling shows.

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People like you get pissed off easily, I prefer results as results matter

Perotista said:

I'm not sure an issues debate will matter. History shows that on average 90% of Republicans and Democrats will vote for their candidate regardless of who that candidate is. What we don't know is how independents, the swing voters will vote for. Now independents are political junkies like those of us on this site. They don't pay much attention to politics in Washington at all until an election rolls around. They're too busy making ends meet, taking care of family, watching and rooting for their favorite sports team or watching their favorite shows on TV.

To many independents elections are a beauty contest. It's all about their perceptions of the candidates, the political parties, how they arrive at their perceptions, there a thousand different ways. I think Trump personality played a much bigger roll in the 2018 midterms than any policy or what the Republican controlled congress did or didn't do. I think his persona, his unpresidential behavior when it comes to those independents who view the presidential election as a beauty contest will be their persuadable factor. Not issues, not policy, but personality.

Usually the candidate with the most charisma wins these voters. Biden nor Trump in my opinion have an ounce of charisma. So perhaps these independents, these swing voters will base their vote on who they judge is the adult in the room. Maybe, I don't know that. Perhaps the bottom line is these independents are tired of Trump's childish behavior as president and will be will to vote for a bland, vanilla, gaff prone, non-charismatic individual. Maybe after four years of Trump, bland will do nicely.

Time will tell.

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The instant gratification people who rely on feelings and ignoring results will get exactly what they deserve, terrible economic and social results. People better wake up, BLM are racists, anarchists control the Democratic Party, Defunding police hurts seniors and security, massive gov't spending takes away individual freedoms and that isn't what this country was built on

Conservative said:

certainly does, the silent majority won't make a mistake in electing another career public servant

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:lamo

Conservative said:

The instant gratification people who rely on feelings and ignoring results will get exactly what they deserve, terrible economic and social results. People better wake up, BLM are racists, anarchists control the Democratic Party, Defunding police hurts seniors and security, massive gov't spending takes away individual freedoms and that isn't what this country was built on

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I love the smell of GOP desperation in the morning. I suggest gaining some Independence on this day commemorating it.

Conservative said:

certainly does, the silent majority won't make a mistake in electing another career public servant

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Leave it to Trump to bring old Nixon phrases back into popularity. This isn't 1969. The "silent majority" isn't a majority anymore. This is the information age. Very few of us are silent. There's more to public display than protests, and Trumpists were doing some protesting themselves a couple months ago anyway.

Like everything else Trump attempts, the "silent majority" meme is DOA.