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POTUS Holds Press Brief-- Jobs Report Blowout

Covid-19 is the issue.

Biden will confront it.

Trump continues to ignore it.

Yes it is the issue today but as usual you focus on the negatives not the recoveries or the immune systems working. What is the Biden solution to the pandemic?? MORE Testing? Great, how do you get people to get tested without taking away their freedom, and what good is testing without social distancing which isn't something the Federal gov't can enforce. Personal responsibility issues confuse you

Waiting for exactly what Biden will do to confront it? what is legal?
 
Guess you didn't see the jobs report of jobs returning and markets opening up

I guess you missed the point where unemployment is 11%. The virus is what matters, not your obsession with drawing bullseyes around cherry-picked data.
 
I guess you missed the point where unemployment is 11%. The virus is what matters, not your obsession with drawing bullseyes around cherry-picked data.

Didn't miss it at all, guess you missed the BIPARTISAN Shutdown that you now want to blame on Trump. There is quite a difference between the pre pandemic results created by economic policies of Trump vs the pandemic results caused by COVID19. Seems that opening up the country really bothers you as your partisanship is showing

I continue to notice that you refuse to offer any justification for voting for Biden other than out of pure hatred of Trump. The 78 year old Biden has to have a plan to make the country better and safer, what is it? Testing?? LOL, how do you force people to get tested and what good is testing without social distancing and masks? tough questions for liberals like you who focus solely on rhetoric and never actual laws
 
I don't lie

You falsely claimed that i've ignored data even though there are multiple responses in this thread that address your picked cherries.

you have completely ignored the pandemic results and policies that generated those results calling them a continuation of the Obama economy.

That's how an objective person would view the economy during Trump. It grew in parallel with the deficit, failing to deliver on promises of 3%/4%/5% rGDP growth. You label this a success by lowering the standard you set during the Obama administration... it's called hypocrisy, and you surely do not have the courage to admit as much.

That is a downright lie totally ignoring the Trump EO's right after taking office and the reaction by the private sector to those EO's, then the tax cuts which you blame for the deficits, a blatant lie on your part. Tax cuts don't cause deficits they stimulate economic activity proven by consumer spending and consumption

Trumps own words:

On a yearly basis, as you know, the last administration during an eight-year period never hit 3 percent, so we're really on our way. And I happen to be one that thinks we can go much higher than 3 percent. There's no reason why we shouldn't.

You can try to move the goalposts all you want, and push every single fallacy at your disposal... it doesn't negate Trump's failures to deliver on the economy.
 
Didn't miss it at all, guess you missed the BIPARTISAN Shutdown that you now want to blame on Trump.

The economy was going to collapse with or without a shutdown. Many businesses voluntarily shut down prior to any mandates. People are spending less because they are afraid.

Seems that opening up the country really bothers you

It really bothers you that Texas had to claw back reopening. Do you cheer for the fact that Texas has implemented a mask mandate?

I continue to notice that you refuse to offer any justification for voting for Biden

Again... he isn't Trump. That's all he needs given the disaster Trump has been.
 
Kushinator;1072200792]You falsely claimed that i've ignored data even though there are multiple responses in this thread that address your picked cherries.

Your inability to refute the data is the point as you claim the results were a continuation of the Obama economy, that is false and a lie as the EO's prove


That's how an objective person would view the economy during Trump. It grew in parallel with the deficit, failing to deliver on promises of 3%/4%/5% rGDP growth. You label this a success by lowering the standard you set during the Obama administration... it's called hypocrisy, and you surely do not have the courage to admit as much.

again 530 billion per year GDP Growth for Obama, 900 billion per year GDP Growth for Trump. 300 billion per year in Consumer spending/consumption for Obama 600 billion per year for Trump. That is success and what you want to ignore

Deficits? You want to ignore the line items which created those deficits obviously ignoring what line items the President controls


You can try to move the goalposts all you want, and push every single fallacy at your disposal... it doesn't negate Trump's failures to deliver on the economy.

it is you moving the goalposts refusing to discuss the actual verifiable results and any alternative to Trump that will make the country better. I am convinced your entire issue is the Trump tax cuts where you aren't allowed to deduct your high state and local taxes in their entirety from your federal return. There is a solution for you, do what many people in Illinois are doing, MOVE!!
 
Kushinator;1072200820]The economy was going to collapse with or without a shutdown. Many businesses voluntarily shut down prior to any mandates. People are spending less because they are afraid.

And that is Trump's fault? Waiting for you to explain what Trump did wrong and especially be the first liberal to explain how testing serves any purpose without social distancing and wearing a mask? People are spending less but getting sick and tired of liberals taking away freedoms even freedoms to make bad choices



It really bothers you that Texas had to claw back reopening. Do you cheer for the fact that Texas has implemented a mask mandate?

Doesn't bother me at all, most of the mandates in TX are VOLUNTARY!!



Again... he isn't Trump. That's all he needs given the disaster Trump has been.

No he isn't, he is a 78 year old multi millionaire career public servant that helped give us the worst recovery from a recession in modern history. His focus on the public sector will be like Obama's and we are a private sector economy
 
Yes it is the issue today but as usual you focus on the negatives not the recoveries or the immune systems working. What is the Biden solution to the pandemic?? MORE Testing? Great, how do you get people to get tested without taking away their freedom, and what good is testing without social distancing which isn't something the Federal gov't can enforce. Personal responsibility issues confuse you

Waiting for exactly what Biden will do to confront it? what is legal?

Leadership isn't just about making people do stuff, it's also about setting a personal example and using persuasion.

One of the reasons why you're seeing such huge rises in Republican states is that Trump supporters and consumers of Fox News propaganda have it drilled into their heads that masks, social-distancing, and testing aren't important.

Trump has never taken Covid-19 seriously, and for the purposes of improving his own chances at winning re-election he has repeatedly downplayed Covid-19's risks in public.

One of the many things that Biden would do differently is to remind people to wear a mask in public...by doing things like wearing a mask in public:

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That's one thing...

Another thing is to allow the CDC and people like Fauci to publicly communicate to the American public what should be done without constantly trying to hide them or rebut the good advice they are giving the American people.

Where is the CDC? How Trump sidelined the public health agency in a pandemic | World news | The Guardian

As Trump’s Hostility to Masks Fuels a Public-Health Nihilism, Fauci Issues a New Plea | The New Yorker

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So, those are two concrete things that Biden would do differently.
 
Leadership isn't just about making people do stuff, it's also about setting a personal example and using persuasion.

One of the reasons why you're seeing such huge rises in Republican states is that Trump supporters and consumers of Fox News propaganda have it drilled into their heads that masks, social-distancing, and testing aren't important.

Trump has never taken Covid-19 seriously, and for the purposes of improving his own chances at winning re-election he has repeatedly downplayed Covid-19's risks in public.

One of the many things that Biden would do differently is to remind people to wear a mask in public...by doing things like wearing a mask in public:

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That's one thing...

Another thing is to allow the CDC and people like Fauci to publicly communicate to the American public what should be done without constantly trying to hide them or rebut the good advice they are giving the American people.

Where is the CDC? How Trump sidelined the public health agency in a pandemic | World news | The Guardian

As Trump’s Hostility to Masks Fuels a Public-Health Nihilism, Fauci Issues a New Plea | The New Yorker

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So, those are two concrete things that Biden would do differently.

Your opinion is just that an opinion, there is no proof that Biden would do anything you claim nor legal authority to do much of it. You keep placing blame and ignoring actual results, the death percentages continue to drop, you totally ignore recovery as well as totally ignoring personal responsibility issues. You keep placing blame and never offering a legitimate viable alternative

Your articles are biased out of context and basically irrelevant. The federal gov't is required to adhere to the Constitution and the Constitution is quite clear, anything that isn't in there is a state responsibility and personal responsibility issues aren't there nor the fact that the federal gov't is a first responder
 
Your opinion is just that an opinion, there is no proof that Biden would do anything you claim nor legal authority to do much of it.

Well, the President does have the legal authority to wear a mask in public, and I posted an image of Biden wearing a mask in public. The President also has the legal authority to refrain from sidelining the CDC and to refrain from hiding Fauci from the public. So I don't know quite what you're talking about unless your post is really nothing more than an attempt to distract people.

You keep placing blame and ignoring actual results, the death percentages continue to drop, you totally ignore recovery as well as totally ignoring personal responsibility issues. You keep placing blame and never offering a legitimate viable alternative

We do have an actual result. The actual result is a huge increase in the number of Covid-19 cases. The huge increase in the number of Covid-19 cases is a direct result of Trump's failed leadership on the issue. I am placing blame directly where it lies, and offering a legal alternative which strangely you seemed to have ignored and put up a strawman in response.

This is kind of a pattern with you throughout your posts on different topics.

Your articles are biased out of context and basically irrelevant. The federal gov't is required to adhere to the Constitution and the Constitution is quite clear, anything that isn't in there is a state responsibility and personal responsibility issues aren't there nor the fact that the federal gov't is a first responder

What specific problems do you have with the articles I posted?

You seem completely incapable of straying from the same pro-Trump talking points you post in every thread.
 
IDK, ask your Democrat elected leadership of the county, Mayor and Governor states? All liberal crap holes.

So New York City is a "crap hole"? Where do you live? Why don't you list it on your profile? Embarrassed? NYC is one of the world's greatest cities inhabited by people from all over the world - it is what America is - a melting pot. Where do you live? Your posts are so incredibly mean, divisive and angry almost always. It's the 4th of July and I'm grateful for being an American where the majority of people respect others regardless of where they're from. I don't judge someone based on where they live. I judge them on who they are. You, on the other hand, just like Trump, are prejudiced against someone simply by their location. We know who you are
 
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Your inability to refute the data

The pathetic and desperate argument you've put forth has been easily refuted... you simply refuse to acknowledge your error out of pettiness.

is the point as you claim the results were a continuation of the Obama economy, that is false and a lie as the EO's prove

Executive orders don't prove anything. Where is the Trump bump?

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again 530 billion per year GDP Growth for Obama, 900 billion per year GDP Growth for Trump.

Again, comparing nominal data is a statistically invalid method when doing so on a historical basis. It's been explained to you dozens of times... and still you refuse to admit to your errors in reasoning.

Slow learner learns slow.

Deficits? You want to ignore the line items which created those deficits obviously ignoring what line items the President controls

I didn't ignore anything. Deficits are stimulative, as they necessarily draw from a stock of funds and inject that into the real economy. Without deficits, tax cuts would be sterilized.

it is you moving the goalposts

I've remained consistant throughout the Trump Presidency... it's you that has changed direction. When Trump didn't deliver on what he (and you!) promised, a bullseye was drawn around the data and you underwhelmingly proclaimed victory. It won't work because, as has been stated a plethora of times, it's statistically invalid.

I am convinced your entire issue is the Trump tax cuts where you aren't allowed to deduct your high state and local taxes in their entirety from your federal return.

It has nothing to do with me, and no amount of detraction from the topic negates this fact. The economy didn't grow the way you and Trump envisioned and now you're taking it out on everyone else with these mindless copypasta rants.
 
W_Heisenberg;1072201002]Well, the President does have the legal authority to wear a mask in public, and I posted an image of Biden wearing a mask in public. The President also has the legal authority to refrain from sidelining the CDC and to refrain from hiding Fauci from the public. So I don't know quite what you're talking about unless your post is really nothing more than an attempt to distract people.

the President has the same freedoms Americans have to not wear a mask, noticed you didn't have a problem with all the protesters not wearing a mask. The President didn't sideline the CDC and nothing changes the reality that your state is responsible for implementing CDC recommendations not the Federal Gov't



We do have an actual result. The actual result is a huge increase in the number of Covid-19 cases. The huge increase in the number of Covid-19 cases is a direct result of Trump's failed leadership on the issue. I am placing blame directly where it lies, and offering a legal alternative which strangely you seemed to have ignored and put up a strawman in response.

And yet the death percentage continues to drop. You won't get the disease if you wear a mask, practice social distancing regardless of what others do


What specific problems do you have with the articles I posted?

Taking away individual freedoms to make personal choice issues even if bad none of which affect you if you wear a mask and practice social distancing

You seem completely incapable of straying from the same pro-Trump talking points you post in every thread.

Spent 35 years in the private sector actually managing people and showing leadership none of which resonates with you. Never had a problem with being challenged but required an alternative not just whining and complaining like you and the left does
 
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The pathetic and desperate argument you've put forth has been easily refuted... you simply refuse to acknowledge your error out of pettiness.



Executive orders don't prove anything. Where is the Trump bump?

fredgraph.png




Again, comparing nominal data is a statistically invalid method when doing so on a historical basis. It's been explained to you dozens of times... and still you refuse to admit to your errors in reasoning.

Slow learner learns slow.



I didn't ignore anything. Deficits are stimulative, as they necessarily draw from a stock of funds and inject that into the real economy. Without deficits, tax cuts would be sterilized.



I've remained consistant throughout the Trump Presidency... it's you that has changed direction. When Trump didn't deliver on what he (and you!) promised, a bullseye was drawn around the data and you underwhelmingly proclaimed victory. It won't work because, as has been stated a plethora of times, it's statistically invalid.



It has nothing to do with me, and no amount of detraction from the topic negates this fact. The economy didn't grow the way you and Trump envisioned and now you're taking it out on everyone else with these mindless copypasta rants.

Thanks for again showing an inability to offer a viable alternative to Trump or a reason to vote for Biden

There seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to debt and the results generated from that debt thus showing that all debt isn't equal. What exactly did the American taxpayers get out of the Obama debt??

1. The worst recovery from a major recession in modern history
2. Employment not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014
3. Record numbers of part time for economic reason employment meaning part time jobs thus lower taxpaying jobs
4. 500 billion average annual GDP growth for 8 years(4.0 Trillion GDP growth)
5. 9.3% U-6 Unemployment rate
6. Bail out of the pubic sector and claimed saved jobs which didn't generate the promised new jobs thus new taxpayers from 842 billion dollar shovel ready jobs stimulus

What have we gotten for the Trump debt

1. Strong economic growth, 900 billion average GDP growth 2017-2018-2019(2.7 trillion growth)
2. Employment of 6.6 million jobs created in 3 years vs. 6 million jobs created prior to taking office the last 9 years
3. 6.9% U-6 vs. 9.3% that he inherited
4. 1.4 million fewer part time for economic reason employees than inherited
5. 6% African American unemployment vs. the 8% inherited
6. Record state and local tax revenue due to consumer spending as a result of the tax cuts
7. No massive Gov't stimulus program pre pandemic
 
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And that is Trump's fault?

It's Trump's fault for not being prepared. It's Trump's fault for making light of the situation early on, where drastic measures like social distancing and mandatory wearing of masks in public would have saved thousands of lives. Not in late March... i'm talking about early February. The POTUS had a chance to bring the country together in an effort to combat this virus, and instead made the choice to divide and push false information.

People are spending less

Which causes the economy to contract.

but getting sick and tired of liberals taking away freedoms even freedoms to make bad choices

You don't speak for anyone other than yourself and a few fringe extremists.

Doesn't bother me at all, most of the mandates in TX are VOLUNTARY!!

Try walking into a grocery store in Houston without wearing a mask, and then review the definition of voluntary. :)
 
You want someone to tell you what to do, Americans want the freedom to make that choice. Personal responsibility issues aren't the role of the President

Bulls***! If you were around for WWII you would have been considered a traitor for not supporting the war and the war effort. Covid-19 is A WAR! Even the ***** Trump called himself a "wartime President" LOL! In times of war Americans should suck it up and do what's best for everyone and for Covid that means wear a mask without whining like a 2 year old and professing that your personal freedom is more important that what's good for the nation. BTW - you ignored my question earlier in this thread as I knew you would so I'll ask it again:


Yesterday, 05:01 PM
jakiejakester replied to a thread POTUS Holds Press Brief-- Jobs Report Blowout in Breaking News* - Mainstream Media
I knew you would ignore my question to you which was "What states that Hillary won in 2016 does Trump have a chance in? Do you dare to answer or will you ignore like you do when you're losing the debate?" C'mon, answer the question!
 
You are placing blame on the President of the United States for people making bad personal choices. That is what liberals like you do, never accept responsibility

BS again! You claim liberals never accept personal responsibility but people who believe like you do are so weak that you won't even wear a mask because you don't like it and accept no responsibility for the greater good.
 
Bulls***! If you were around for WWII you would have been considered a traitor for not supporting the war and the war effort. Covid-19 is A WAR! Even the ***** Trump called himself a "wartime President" LOL! In times of war Americans should suck it up and do what's best for everyone and for Covid that means wear a mask without whining like a 2 year old and professing that your personal freedom is more important that what's good for the nation. BTW - you ignored my question earlier in this thread as I knew you would so I'll ask it again:


Yesterday, 05:01 PM
jakiejakester replied to a thread POTUS Holds Press Brief-- Jobs Report Blowout in Breaking News* - Mainstream Media
I knew you would ignore my question to you which was "What states that Hillary won in 2016 does Trump have a chance in? Do you dare to answer or will you ignore like you do when you're losing the debate?" C'mon, answer the question!

My father served at Pearl Harbor, My father in law on Omaha Beach giving you the right to make an ass out of yourself. I am waiting for you to tell me why Biden is your choice and what he will do to make things better for this country? Results matter except to people like you where feelings trump results
 
BS again! You claim liberals never accept personal responsibility but people who believe like you do are so weak that you won't even wear a mask because you don't like it and accept no responsibility for the greater good.

People like me value individual freedoms to make choices even bad ones. You obviously never accept responsibility for if you wear a mask, practice social distancing you aren't going to get the virus regardless of what someone else does. You are in no position to tell anyone else what the greater good is on personal responsibility issues
 
There is going to come a time when you have to discuss the Biden Alternative and I look forward to hearing from you what a Biden Presidency would do to make life better for Americans

You keep passing on blame never accepting responsibility and never addressing actual issues
Here you go - all the answers to what Biden will do for US when he's elected in 122 days:

Joe Biden Views on 2020 Issues: A Voter’s Guide - POLITICO

BTW - why won't you answer my question to you? What states that Hillary won in 2016 will Trump win in 2020?
 
Here you go - all the answers to what Biden will do for US when he's elected in 122 days:

Joe Biden Views on 2020 Issues: A Voter’s Guide - POLITICO

BTW - why won't you answer my question to you? What states that Hillary won in 2016 will Trump win in 2020?

LOL, yep rhetoric trumping substance, you buy rhetoric and ignore results, typical liberals but not American

Your question is a bogus one and there is no answer, it is July 4 not November 4 and you still won't discuss issues. Posting liberal propaganda doesn't change the fact that the Obama/Biden results have to be answered for, the worst recovery from a major recession in U.S. history.

I am waiting for you to answer the question what is it that Biden offers that will make this country stronger and better with actual affects on you and your family
 
Stop asking the same idiotic question! Here's your answer please read it so you lose one of your few talking points:

Joe Biden Views on 2020 Issues: A Voter’s Guide - POLITICO

Save me the propaganda and answer these questions for Biden with results pre pandemic

Question 1: During your career you have, or had, the power to change many of the things you now say are wrong with America. Why didn’t you?

Question 2 (for Joe Biden): You and President Obama, for a time, had a Democratic majority in Congress. Why didn’t you reform immigration laws and address homelessness? Your administration deported a lot of people who were in the country illegally, so why criticize President Trump for wanting to follow your example? Do our laws mean nothing?

Question 3: During the second debate, you raised your hand when asked if you would provide free health care to immigrants who are here illegally. Aren’t you inviting even more to come to America with such a policy, and wouldn’t that add to our already staggering debt? Follow-up: Trump said we should take care of Americans first. Why would you use American tax dollars to pay for people who break our laws?

Question 4: Is there anything Trump has done that you could praise? Many of you talk as if unemployment hasn’t declined — especially for minorities — and wages haven’t risen. Unemployment is at, or near, record lows and wages are up.

Question 5: The Democratic Party believes raising taxes again is a good idea, but with $22 trillion in federal debt and with record amounts of revenue already coming into Washington, isn’t the real problem uncontrolled spending? Follow-up: Are there any government programs you would cut or eliminate?


Question 6: Many of you have a lot of complaints about the United States. Is there anything positive you could say?

Question 7: Many of you have criticized President Trump for confronting Iran and withdrawing from the nuclear deal. Iran is a major sponsor of terrorism in the world and its leaders say they have a religious mandate to wipe out Israel and impose Islamic law on everyone. How would you negotiate with their leaders and what is your plan for fighting terrorism?

Question 8: Some of you say Russia is the greatest existential threat and others name China. Russia has been supporting the Syrian regime of Bashar Assad and the crumbling dictatorship of Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela. Russia has also sent a warship to Cuba. How would you oppose Russia’s adventurism and China’s expansionism? How would you deal with China spying on us?

Question 9 During your time in the Senate much was done for civil rights efforts can you explain what policies you supported that have raised the African Americans out of poverty and out of dependence on gov’t social programs. Further can you explain why Trump is being called a racist with African American unemployment at pre pandemic historic lows, much better than Obama’s
 
the worst recovery from a major recession in U.S. history.

This is a lie. The lowest level of real gross domestic product percentage growth since World War II. But then again, you don't adhere to such statistics, and so you cannot make this argument given the garbage you continue to spew.
 
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