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Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

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December 2, 2008

Catherine Philp in Washington

Iran poses the greatest foreign policy challenge to the new president with Tehran on course to produce a nuclear bomb in the first year of an Obama administration, an unprecedented coalition of top think tanks warned yesterday.
Barack Obama must follow through on his promises of direct talks with Tehran and engage the Middle East region as a whole if he is to halt a looming crisis that could be revisited on the United States, the experts warned.
“Diplomacy is not guaranteed to work: it is not,” Richard Hass, one of the authors said. “But the other options – military action or living with an Iranian weapon are sufficiently unattractive for it to warrant serious commitment.”
The warnings came in a report called “Restoring the Balance,” a Middle East strategy for the incoming president drafted by the Council for Foreign Relations and the Brookings Institution. Gary Samore, one of the authors, said the level of alarm over the “hornet’s nest” facing the new president in the Middle East, and the need for the swift adoption of previously untested approach, had inspired the unprecedented decision to write policy for him. “New administrations can choose new policies but they can’t choose next contexts,” Mr. Samore said. “This is what they inherit.”
I guess Biden was right, but it's easy to predict the likely.
 
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I guess Biden was right, but it's easy to predict the likely.

"Diplomacy is not guaranteed to work" Say it aint so!!! :shock:

You still don't get it do you American; this is OBAMA we're talking about. The smoothest talking, smartest thinking, slickest politician this side of the Mississippi. The mere mention of his name causes despots like Ahmendinejad to quake with fear.

You infidels still don't get it; Obama is the BOMB man!

:donkeyfla Obama ==> :beatdeadhorse <===Ahmandinijad

Get it? Carry on. :2wave:
 
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I guess Biden was right, but it's easy to predict the likely.

Absolutely right. Sadly, at this point I think we may be too late for diplomacy to work. I'm not saying that we should go to war with Iran, but I don't hold out too much hope for Iran abandoning its nuclear program at this point.

In all likelihood, I think we're just going to have to learn to live with Iranian nukes.
 
I think US along with EU should use its leverage and influence to strike a deal with Iran.
Force Israel to remove its Nukes and Iran will have no reason for it as no one in that region will have those weapons anymore.

Or second option, we just accept Iran will have nukes.
 
I think US along with EU should use its leverage and influence to strike a deal with Iran.
Force Israel to remove its Nukes and Iran will have no reason for it as no one in that region will have those weapons anymore.

Or second option, we just accept Iran will have nukes.

There is a third option. We give Israel the go ahead to make strategic strikes against all of their known nuclear facilities and then we back them up if Iran is stupid enough to try to go to war over it.
 
I think US along with EU should use its leverage and influence to strike a deal with Iran.
Force Israel to remove its Nukes and Iran will have no reason for it as no one in that region will have those weapons anymore.

Or second option, we just accept Iran will have nukes.

That would be an excellent deal if it could work...unfortunately, neither Israel nor Iran would agree to it in a million years.
 
In this area as in most others, obama has NO idea what he's doing. He'll just follow the advice of his appeaser staff, and disaster will reign in the middle east. (Anyone care to make a bet about that?) Of course, when it happens, obama's Kindergarten Krew will just say "It's Bush's fault!"
 
There is a third option. We give Israel the go ahead to make strategic strikes against all of their known nuclear facilities and then we back them up if Iran is stupid enough to try to go to war over it.

Wouldn't work. Geography makes this plan unfeasible; Iran is simply too big and too distant from Israel. Israel simply does not have the military capability of taking out Iran's nuclear program. For that matter, neither does the United States (short of a full-scale invasion). We don't even know where all of Iran's nuclear sites are.

Also, what do you mean by "we back them up"? Invade and occupy Iran?
 
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I think US along with EU should use its leverage and influence to strike a deal with Iran.
Force Israel to remove its Nukes and Iran will have no reason for it as no one in that region will have those weapons anymore.

Or second option, we just accept Iran will have nukes.


Or third option we unleash our Israeli pitbull and have them blow the **** out of the Mullah mother ****ers!!!
 
Wouldn't work. Geography makes this plan unfeasible; Iran is simply too big and too distant from Israel. Israel simply does not have the military capability of taking out Iran's nuclear program. For that matter, neither does the United States (short of a full-scale invasion). We don't even know where all of Iran's nuclear sites are.

Also, what do you mean by "we back them up"? Invade and occupy Iran?

I think between us and Israel we could put a serious dent in Iran's nuclear ambitions.

And I mean we defend Israel against invasion by Iran. But yeah, invade and occupy Iran works for me, too.
 
I think between us and Israel we could put a serious dent in Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Mostly just us. Not Israel. And it would come at quite a steep price.

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And I mean we defend Israel against invasion by Iran.

Iran couldn't invade Israel any more than Israel could destroy Iran's nuclear program. Neither of them have the military might for that sort of thing.

jallman said:
But yeah, invade and occupy Iran works for me, too.

With what forces? And at what cost to American power and geopolitical capital? Our military is stretched beyond the breaking point as it is. And neither the American public nor our allies have the stomach for another preemptive war.

American power is not infinite.
 
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Or third option we unleash our Israeli pitbull and have them blow the **** out of the Mullah mother ****ers!!!

LOL
And US risk its oil intake?
Yeah right.
Republican or Democrat in office, they will not risk it.

Unleash Israel, don't bitch when the region goes down and terrorism increases a million times over. It'll be American troops and money that will be used, not Israeli or Arab

That would be an excellent deal if it could work...unfortunately, neither Israel nor Iran would agree to it in a million years.

Sadly yes.
If we remove Israel's Nukes. No one can accuse US of being hypocritical but as long as another country within Middle East has Nukes. Then Iran, like it or not has a legitimitate reason to also want access to those weapons.

Im not happy with Israel having Nukes.
I do not want anyone in Middle East to have it. But i want a ME country to neutralize Israel, if they want to continue having Nukes.

Israel has US who has God knows how many weapons, that should be enough.
Nucleur Iran will be inevitable otherwise and we all should start getting used to that idea.

But yeah, invade and occupy Iran works for me, too.

US with the help of coalition cannot even invade and occupy and deal with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran will be impossible. I suggest you get rid of that notion, unless every American male is forced into the miltary, where are you supposed to get the troops from?
 
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I guess Biden was right, but it's easy to predict the likely.

Clinton warned Bush about AQ and OBL and look what he did with that info. :doh

Watch how Obama treats intelligence in an "intelligent" manner.

You gonna like the difference. I guarantee it! :mrgreen:
 
Clinton warned Bush about AQ and OBL and look what he did with that info. :doh

Watch how Obama treats intelligence in an "intelligent" manner.

You gonna like the difference. I guarantee it! :mrgreen:




Yes look at how clinton "treated that info"..... :roll:
 
LOL
And US risk its oil intake?
Yeah right.
Republican or Democrat in office, they will not risk it.

We don't get a drop of our oil from Iran and haven't since the Iranian revolution. And FYI Iran is completely reliant on refined oil imports.

Nucleur Iran will be inevitable otherwise and we all should start getting used to that idea.

It won't be allowed to happen, we will destroy that country 100 times over before we allow for a nuclear armed terror state.

US with the help of coalition cannot even invade and occupy and deal with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Iraq wars over, Afghanistan will be done shortly once the battle hardened Iraq war vets are redeployed to secure the border region. And don't forget we overthrew both governments with some of the smallest casualty figures in the history of warfare. We push a single button and Iran's economy is completely destroyed and I'm not talking about a nuke I'm talking about a single missile destroying their loan oil refinery, just think about that for a second.
 
Clinton warned Bush about AQ and OBL and look what he did with that info. :doh

Watch how Obama treats intelligence in an "intelligent" manner.

You gonna like the difference. I guarantee it! :mrgreen:

I just can't wait....too bad he can't just take over NOW huh? :cool:
 
The removal of the Iranian government is also an option. While the US military probably couldn't handle another war of occupation and attrittion, it could definitely dismantle a government.
 
US with the help of coalition cannot even invade and occupy and deal with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran will be impossible. I suggest you get rid of that notion, unless every American male is forced into the miltary, where are you supposed to get the troops from?

I suggest you get rid of the notion that the US can or won't accomplish a goal it sets out to accomplish. Besides, who says we really need to fight the war on the ground? Round the clock air raids for a couple of weeks would go a long way toward breaking the will of the Iranian government.

I'm over the nonsense. If Iran won't play nice with the rest of the world, there is no reason to play nice with Iran. It would seem to me that if there are these mythical moderate Muslims who decry the violence, then they would be standing up for the cause of removing the craziest extremist country threatening the world right now and making Muslims look bad.
 
I suggest you get rid of the notion that the US can or won't accomplish a goal it sets out to accomplish. Besides, who says we really need to fight the war on the ground? Round the clock air raids for a couple of weeks would go a long way toward breaking the will of the Iranian government.

I'm over the nonsense. If Iran won't play nice with the rest of the world, there is no reason to play nice with Iran. It would seem to me that if there are these mythical moderate Muslims who decry the violence, then they would be standing up for the cause of removing the craziest extremist country threatening the world right now and making Muslims look bad.

She is a supposed "moderate Muslim" just like Ahmed, the only problem is they both support Hezbollah.
 
Wouldn't work. Geography makes this plan unfeasible; Iran is simply too big and too distant from Israel. Israel simply does not have the military capability of taking out Iran's nuclear program. For that matter, neither does the United States (short of a full-scale invasion). We don't even know where all of Iran's nuclear sites are.

Also, what do you mean by "we back them up"? Invade and occupy Iran?
You have proof we don't know where the nuke sites are?
 
She is a supposed "moderate Muslim" just like Ahmed, the only problem is they both support Hezbollah.

That's something I recognized about her a long time ago. All the moderate muslims are hanging out somewhere with the tooth fairy and santa clause, I guess.
 
That's something I recognized about her a long time ago. All the moderate muslims are hanging out somewhere with the tooth fairy and santa clause, I guess.

At least the tooth fairy and santa clause don't get caught months after they profess their moderation praising the "glorious 19", lol. But seriously though there are some moderate Muslims out there though they are on the fringes of their respective societies; such as, Irshad Manji, Asra Nomani, Salmon Rushdie, Michael Muhammad Knight, or Dr. Tawfik Hamid, but what makes them moderate is not their unwillingness to blow themselves up for Jihad but that they are actually reformers willing to challenge the status quo and mainstream Islam which is in fact wahhabist/salafist/twelver Islam.

And I just came across this historical reformer one wonders why this guy isn't as reveered in the Muslim world as much as fascist ****s like Qutb and al-Banna:

Mahmoud Mohamed Taha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The removal of the Iranian government is also an option. While the US military probably couldn't handle another war of occupation and attrittion, it could definitely dismantle a government.

How could we dismantle the government without occupying the country? We've had a policy of supporting regime change and resistance groups in Iran...but the government is still there.
 
You have proof we don't know where the nuke sites are?

Pretty much every credible intelligence analyst says as much. Iran learned from Iraq's mistakes in the early 80s. Instead of having one prominent nuclear site, Iran has thousands of underground nuclear sites. I've never seen any credible analyst who claims that we know where all of them are.
 
At least the tooth fairy and santa clause don't get caught months after they profess their moderation praising the "glorious 19", lol. But seriously though there are some moderate Muslims out there though they are on the fringes of their respective societies; such as, Irshad Manji, Asra Nomani, Salmon Rushdie, Michael Muhammad Knight, or Dr. Tawfik Hamid, but what makes them moderate is not their unwillingness to blow themselves up for Jihad but that they are actually reformers willing to challenge the status quo and mainstream Islam which is in fact wahhabist/salafist/twelver Islam.

I don't even view half of those you listed as Muslim therefore they are nothing special. A Non Muslim insulting Islam in the comfort of the US or the Western world. What a achievement ! :roll:

The image of a Moderate Muslim to me is Choudhury.
Pro-Israeli editor beaten in Bangladesh | International | Jerusalem Post

Oh and take note he has not ran to the West for shelter, he stayed within a Muslim country and faced the torture.
When Rushdie faces that is when i'll actually pay attention to what he says.

That's something I recognized about her a long time ago. All the moderate muslims are hanging out somewhere with the tooth fairy and santa clause, I guess.

She is a supposed "moderate Muslim" just like Ahmed, the only problem is they both support Hezbollah.

Great, now i apparentley support killing innocent people.
Now you can back your accusation with a quote from me on that. Where have i stated i have supported Hezbollah and their actions?
I'll wait seeing you have alot of posts to trail through
 
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