Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

jallman · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
Oh and take note he has not ran to the West for shelter, he stayed within a Muslim country and faced the torture.
When Rushdie faces that is when i'll actually pay attention to what he says.

Translation: I can't wait to silence Rushdie like we do anyone who dares to criticize us. Bring on the riots.

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

I was implying Rushdie is a little *****, hiding in West and claiming he is something special when real moderate Muslims are being tortured in Muslim countries for their views. THOSE are the people i respect.

Half of those you named are worthless to me.

Oh and perhaps you Jailman and Jin can define for me a Moderate Muslim
What makes a Muslim moderate? If they accept homosexuality? Someone who sees no fault in the West? Someone who is Pro Israel?

Ofc not.
A only 'true' Moderate Muslim to alot of people is someone who renounces Islam and claims it is evil.
Why do you think that retarded E African Ayaan Hirsi Ali is doing so well in United States?

Her aim is to insult Muslims and Islam. She doesn't give a **** about Human rights or Somali women. The only reason we even know her name is because she made that film and her director got killed

"I think that we are at war with Islam. And there’s no middle ground in wars."

Of course you do dear, how much did she get paid to say that i wonder :roll:

jin1776 · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
I don't even view half of those you listed as Muslim therefore they are nothing special. A Non Muslim insulting Islam in the comfort of the US or the Western world. What a achievement ! :roll:

And why don't you consider them to be real Muslims? Perhaps because they don't subscribe to your Islamist orthodoxy and have the audacity to criticize Islam itself?

The image of a Moderate Muslim to me is Choudhury.
Pro-Israeli editor beaten in Bangladesh | International | Jerusalem Post

Oh and take note he has not ran to the West for shelter, he stayed within a Muslim country and faced the torture.
When Rushdie faces that is when i'll actually pay attention to what he says.

He had a Fatwa placed on his ****ing head!

Great, now i apparentley support killing innocent people.
Now you can back your accusation with a quote from me on that. Where have i stated i have supported Hezbollah and their actions?
I'll wait seeing you have alot of posts to trail through

Laila said:
I have no problem with Hezbollah being legalized. Its as legitimate as it can be, part of an army and Government.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...hezbollah-terrorist-group.html#post1057791599

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

jin1776 said:
He had a Fatwa placed on his ****ing head!

Rushdie? He did? News to me

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
I have no problem with Hezbollah being legalized. Its as legitimate as it can be, part of an army and Government.

How ridiculous.
This was in reference to a specific article about legitimizing it.
You also ignore the context of it and my posts after it.
How does that translate as me supporting their actions?
I stated in the same thread that what they do is illegal. If that is the best you can come up with, you may as well leave this discussion because it is pathetic.
My point is a legitimite one, Hezbollah got elected into parts of Government by democracy ... No one can dispute that fact

Ahmed Shaheen said:
yeah ,, but legalizing shoud also be under terms and observation ..

Laila said:
Ofc, it needs to observed and open to criticism - as it any other Government.

jin1776 · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
I was implying Rushdie is a little *****, hiding in West and claiming he is something special when real moderate Muslims are being tortured in Muslim countries for their views. THOSE are the people i respect.

Ya it's not like millions of Muslims around the globe would sooner cut his head off as look at him or anything.

Half of those you named are worthless to me.

Oh and perhaps you Jailman and Jin can define for me a Moderate Muslim
What makes a Muslim moderate? If they accept homosexuality?

Perhaps they can take a lesson from the evangelicals who say that they hate the sin but love the sinner, perhaps not hanging them for being gay would be a good place to start.

Someone who sees no fault in the West? Someone who is Pro Israel?

Ofc not.
A only 'true' Moderate Muslim to alot of people is someone who renounces Islam and claims it is evil.

They must support pluralistic secular governance and equality for all regardless of sex or creed this would entail rejecting sharia law on anything more than a personal level not at the community or national level IE they must support the complete separation of church and state IE in my book political Islam = radical Islam. In addition they must totally reject any calls for the limiting of free speech which does not call for violence, that means insults to the prophet are not to be met with violence, they must recognize that I have a right to free speech and they have absolutely 0 right not to be offended. And of course they must renounce the expansion of dar al-Islam through offensive Jihad and reject all groups who support this end. Now I am rather new to this forum and have only seen a few of your posts, however, I have already ascertained with my limited knowledge of your debate history that you have failed the third part of this litmus test with your showing of support for Hezbollah.

Why do you think that retarded E African Ayaan Hirsi Ali is doing so well in United States?

She's an atheist. And just what the hell does being E African have to do with it? Your Arab supremacism is showing.

Her aim is to insult Muslims and Islam. She doesn't give a **** about Human rights or Somali women. The only reason we even know her name is because she made that film and her director got killed

Of course you do dear, how much did she get paid to say that i wonder :roll:

So what would you like to see done with her? Would you like her to share the fate of Theo Van Ghogh? You seem to truly dislike that poor woman.

jin1776 · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
Rushdie? He did? News to me

You're joking right? Ayatollah Khomeni declared it himself when Rushdie printed "The Satanic Verses".

Kandahar · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
I was implying Rushdie is a little *****, hiding in West and claiming he is something special when real moderate Muslims are being tortured in Muslim countries for their views. THOSE are the people i respect.

How would the world be a better place if Salman Rushdie went to Iran and got tortured to death? When one is dead, there is very little one can do to make one's views known.

Laila said:
Oh and perhaps you Jailman and Jin can define for me a Moderate Muslim
What makes a Muslim moderate? If they accept homosexuality? Someone who sees no fault in the West? Someone who is Pro Israel?

A good start would be:
1. Condemning terrorist attacks committed by fellow Muslims, even if they're committed against non-Muslims.
2. Believing that men and women are equal.
3. Not believing that all or most non-Muslim countries are involved in a grand conspiracy to destroy Islam.
4. Not supporting the total annihilation of Israel.
5. Tolerating the views of non-Muslims and Muslims alike, even if one believes that they are offensive to Islam. (Note: Tolerating is not the same as respecting)
6. Stop making excuses for Muslim extremists, as you are doing right now.

Laila said:
Ofc not.
A only 'true' Moderate Muslim to alot of people is someone who renounces Islam and claims it is evil.
Why do you think that retarded E African Ayaan Hirsi Ali is doing so well in United States?

Because it's such a novelty to hear a Muslim actually speak out against terrorism that it's a newsworthy event when it happens.

Laila said:
Her aim is to insult Muslims and Islam.

You criticize HER for insulting Islam with her words, yet not a word about the terrorists who commit much greater insults against Islam by their actions.

Laila said:
She doesn't give a **** about Human rights or Somali women. The only reason we even know her name is because she made that film and her director got killed

And who killed her director? A Chinese Buddhist?

jin1776 · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
How ridiculous.
This was in reference to a specific article about legitimizing it.
You also ignore the context of it and my posts after it.
How does that translate as me supporting their actions?
I stated in the same thread that what they do is illegal.

And yet you support recognizing their legitimacy.

If that is the best you can come up with, you may as well leave this discussion because it is pathetic.
My point is a legitimite one, Hezbollah got elected into parts of Government by democracy ... No one can dispute that fact

So did the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

jin1776 said:
Ya it's not like millions of Muslims around the globe would sooner cut his head off as look at him or anything.

If you want Muslims to respect you, go face them.
Don't do so in the comfort and security of the west.

Perhaps they can take a lesson from the evangelicals who say that they hate the sin but love the sinner, perhaps not hanging them for being gay would be a good place to start.

Hanging Gays is wrong, not every Muslim country does that.

In addition they must totally reject any calls for the limiting of free speech which does not call for violence, that means insults to the prophet are not to be met with violence, they must recognize that I have a right to free speech and they have absolutely 0 right not to be offended.

I support Freedom of speech and always have done so but i disagree, we have every right to be offended if someone insults our Prophets. We just don't have the right to suppress it.

Now I am rather new to this forum and have only seen a few of your posts, however, I have already ascertained with my limited knowledge of your debate history that you have failed the third part of this litmus test with your showing of support for Hezbollah.

So you are new and by that you have missed me condeming terrorists, me supporting Israel's right to exist, me saying freedom of speech should also be upheld despite what European Muslims think, expressing a desire for Hadiths to be amended and Qu'ran verses to be condemned by Imam's worldwide ....

Your ignorance in judging me by 1 post is showing.

She's an atheist. And just what the hell does being E African have to do with it? Your Arab supremacism is showing.

She is an Athiest. EXACTLY.
She is no moderate MUSLIM.
She is someone who hates Islam and is making a living off insulting it.
Many Athiests bash Islam, what makes her so damn special?

Arab Supremacism?
Dude, im an E African not Arab
Hence why i have 'Somali' on my profile :roll:

So what would you like to see done with her? Would you like her to share the fate of Theo Van Ghogh? You seem to truly dislike that poor woman.

I do not wish death on anyone.
Just don't insult true Moderate Muslims by putting her as an example of it seeing she doesn't even follow Islam.

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

Kandahar said:
How would the world be a better place if Salman Rushdie went to Iran and got tortured to death? When one is dead, there is very little one can do to make one's views known.

The true Moderate i named is being tortured, its an insult that Rushdie is more well known than him.
He stood up for his beliefs and has had his kneecaps broken and has faced jail in defending it. What has Rushdie done? Write a book and he has a knighthood ... Disgusting :/

A good start would be:
1. Condemning terrorist attacks committed by fellow Muslims, even if they're committed against non-Muslims. Done.
2. Believing that men and women are equal. Some Muslim countries do that.
3. Not believing that all or most non-Muslim countries are involved in a grand conspiracy to destroy Islam. Already we all know that
4. Not supporting the total annihilation of Israel. Iran does not represent 1.2 billion of us
5. Tolerating the views of non-Muslims and Muslims alike, even if one believes that they are offensive to Islam. (Note: Tolerating is not the same as respecting) I tolerated the Danish Cartoons and books such as Infidel
6. Stop making excuses for Muslim extremists, as you are doing right now. Where did i make excuses for blowing someone up? I have said again and again, suicide is forbidden in Islam.

Because it's such a novelty to hear a Muslim actually speak out against terrorism that it's a newsworthy event when it happens.

She is not Muslim

You criticize HER for insulting Islam with her words, yet not a word about the terrorists who commit much greater insults against Islam by their actions.

Ofc they do and i have continually denounced them, ignoring me does not mean i have never said it.

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
I would have no issues with all religious items being banned in Government buildings/schools tbh but for now, i don't mind hijabs but i do have problems with the Niqab and Abaya [full body cover]
Niqabs on a 5yr old should never be tolerated.
I hate both of them and because they have no actual basis on the Qu'ran or Hadiths - it is not mandatory and not needed

Laila said:
Im a Muslim yes and i don't see where anyone would get the impression Muslims as a whole would agree with any form of attack on civilians.
I think its disgusting what has occured and i hope UK Government aids India in catching these criminals and bringing them to justice.

Laila said:
Interpretations of texts is what is the problem and yes, i do believe Islam needs to be reformed to not only prevent extremists exploiting certain verses but also to bring it more into the modern world. Ishallah i hope my Imams will clarify the Qu'ran's position on suicide bombings and killing innocent people lowering the chances of Muslims believing that interpretation of the Qu'ran.

I do want certain verses in my holy book denounced world wide but not removed and i would rather we start seeing a united condemntation by all Muslim countries of actions done in Islams name.

Laila said:
I want the British Government to say 'This is UK, This is how we do things. If you don't like it; leave'

Laila said:
I was disgusted at the cartoons.
But i felt physically ill when the cartoons was supressed by the Media.
The same rights that allow me to sit here and speak my mind should equally protect those bashing any religion they please.

Thats freedom and some European Muslims do need to realise they cannot have it both ways. They cannot benefit from those freedoms when it suits them without respecting those rights even if its something they do not like being said.

The Governments let me down as a moderate Muslim for not telling those Muslims protesting violently to shut up and sit down and if they do not like it; to get out of Europe.

Especially for you Jin seeing you are 'new' and haven't seen my range of posts in its proper format.
I suggest you actually read my posts before judging me on one post.

Wessexman · Dec 4, 2008

In Britain and Australia I recall seeing quite a few Muslim community leaders condemning extremist and terrorism on television.

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

Wessexman said:
In Britain and Australia I recall seeing quite a few Muslim community leaders condemning extremist and terrorism on television.

Within 24 hours of India's attacks, Muslim Council of Britain condemned it.

MCB Condemns Terrorist Attacks in Mumbai, Extends Condolences to Victims' Families

The Muslim Council of Britain this evening condemned unequivocally the terrorist attacks in Mumbai that has resulted scores of deaths. The brutal murder of Indians and foreign nationals is unacceptable, there is no excuse for such acts, whatever the cause may be. Expressing his shock, Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain said "I condemn this heinous act and extend my sympathies and condolences to the bereaved. Many Britons have deep links with the city of Mumbai and India and I join them in this hour of sadness and anxiety."

Wessexman · Dec 4, 2008

I've never understood this strange hatred of Islam even with the terrorist attacks.

I'm a very particularist or parochial kind of a person and the traditions and heritage of England and particularly(in some ways almost entirely.) the South-West is the most dear to me by far but still Islam I find interesting enough, particularly the sufi kind. I don't know why it should be despise so much(unless you were a zoroastrian maybe.).

Which is your branch, of Islam Laila?

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

Wessexman said:
Which is your branch, of Islam Laila?

Sunni Muslim =D
I like Sufi style Islam but the traditions of being Sunni has been with me since birth so no point

Oh its an excuse to hate Islam, i think it just secretley means they hate Muslims but its too 'controversial' to say that so they'd rather say they hate the religion

Kandahar · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
The true Moderate i named is being tortured, its an insult that Rushdie is more well known than him.

But he is. Which just proves my point: When one is dead, one can do very little good.

Laila said:
He stood up for his beliefs and has had his kneecaps broken and has faced jail in defending it. What has Rushdie done? Write a book and he has a knighthood ... Disgusting :/

He stood up for his beliefs in the face of death too. There's a difference between risking your life (such as continuing to voice one's opinion despite having an Iranian bounty on one's head) and WASTING your life (as Rushdie would be doing if he surrendered himself to Iran, as you want).

Laila said:
A good start would be:
1. Condemning terrorist attacks committed by fellow Muslims, even if they're committed against non-Muslims. Done.

Condemning terrorist attacks means more than a token "Done" when asked for a condemnation. You seem to expend a lot more energy denouncing Salman Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali than you do denouncing Hamas, al-Qaeda, and Hezbollah.

Laila said:
2. Believing that men and women are equal. Some Muslim countries do that.

I can count the number on one hand. And still have fingers left over.

Laila said:
3. Not believing that all or most non-Muslim countries are involved in a grand conspiracy to destroy Islam. Already we all know that

Do you deny that that's a commonly-held view in the Muslim world?

Laila said:
4. Not supporting the total annihilation of Israel. Iran does not represent 1.2 billion of us

Very true. This particular point applies more to the Arab world and the Iranian government than it does to, say, Muslims in Indonesia. However, anti-semitism is very widespread throughout the Muslim world.

Laila said:
5. Tolerating the views of non-Muslims and Muslims alike, even if one believes that they are offensive to Islam. (Note: Tolerating is not the same as respecting) I tolerated the Danish Cartoons and books such as Infidel

Was that before or after you decided Salman Rushdie was a ***** for not voluntarily submitting himself to torture?

Laila said:
6. Stop making excuses for Muslim extremists, as you are doing right now. Where did i make excuses for blowing someone up? I have said again and again, suicide is forbidden in Islam.

The fact that you consider the problem with suicide bombings to be suicide, rather than bombing, speaks miles about you.

Laila said:
Ofc they do and i have continually denounced them, ignoring me does not mean i have never said it.

This will be a lot more credible when you start going after Islamic terrorists with the same vitriol you go after Islamic apostates.

Wessexman · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
Sunni Muslim =D
I like Sufi style Islam but the traditions of being Sunni has been with me since birth so no point

Oh its an excuse to hate Islam, i think it just secretley means they hate Muslims but its too 'controversial' to say that so they'd rather say they hate the religion

I personally see no reason for it.

I'm very attached to British culture and my local region and I wouldn't want to see those greatly altered in an Islamic fashion in the same way as I wouldn't want them altered in a Hindu or Polish fashion. I don't mind a Mosque or temple being built but I would no want it vying for attention with Salisbury Cathedral for instance within the Salisbury skyline. Likewise I would not wish to see Islamic or Polish heritage completely altered for that of the US or West in Warsaw or Jordan.

So I can understand apprehension by some at the changes in recent decades in some parts of the west, although it is far from limited to Muslims, but why this means you have to despise Islam I don't know nor can I think of other decent reasons.

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

Kandahar said:
But he is. Which just proves my point: When one is dead, one can do very little good.

Erm ... he is still alive :S

Condemning terrorist attacks means more than a token "Done" when asked for a condemnation. You seem to expend a lot more energy denouncing Salman Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali than you do denouncing Hamas, al-Qaeda, and Hezbollah.

Muslims condemn. Western media ignores. Not my fault.
I have denounced Al Qaeda more than enough and im getting fed up of having to repeat my positions. Go back and read my posts

Do you deny that that's a commonly-held view in the Muslim world?

Absolutely.
A vocal minority does not represent the majority.

Very true. This particular point applies more to the Arab world and the Iranian government than it does to, say, Muslims in Indonesia. However, anti-semitism is very widespread throughout the Muslim world.

Well im African so it doesn't count for me.

Was that before or after you decided Salman Rushdie was a ***** for not voluntarily submitting himself to torture?

He is a ***** for not doing that in a Muslim country.
I can go US and denounce Islam and call it evil because im protected.
Those who should be truley respected are those Muslims doing so in a Muslim country.

The fact that you consider the problem with suicide bombings to be suicide, rather than bombing, speaks miles about you.

Im not even going to bother.
I have said enough times what i think about suicide bombers, i am not going to waste my time repeating it.

This will be a lot more credible when you start going after Islamic terrorists with the same vitriol you go after Islamic apostates.

Oooh LOL
Don't call them Moderate Muslims and it'll be fine,

donsutherland1 · Dec 4, 2008

I can't comment on much of the report, as I have not yet read details on those sections, but I was surprised that the section on the Arab-Israeli conflict appeared to contain fundamental misjudgments. Two points in particular are:

1. "Encourage the continuation of a Lebanese national unity government and its participation in negotiations with Israel."

The problem with the unity government is that the Hezbollah terrorist organization has gained a functional veto over major decisions. That terrorist organization has remained an implacable enemy of Israel, rejected peace negotiations between Lebanon and Israel (something Lebanon's government has also done) and has shown no meaningful indications of a willingness to accept a peace agreement.

2. "Washington should support concilition between Fatah and Hamas as a way to diminish the Islamists' incentive to undermine negotiations..."

The Hamas terrorist group's charter makes abundantly clear that the terrorist organization does not recognize Israel's right to exist and that it rejects any compromises with Israel. Even when the Madrid Quartet offered Hamas a path to become involved in negotiations, Hamas rejected it. Hamas has repeatedly reaffirmed positions consistent with its Charter despite significant international isolation. Fatah-Hamas conciliation would more than likely increase the Palestinian intransigence that has minimized prospects for a final settlement and limit any chances that a negotiated agreement could be reached.

The report also misses an opportunity to call on the U.S. to inject realism into the negotiating process. Unfortunately, even as the report calls for the new U.S. President to "hold Israel to its commitment to freeze new construction of Jewish settlements," and that's a position Israel has accepted, it contains no language to the effect of pressing the Palestinians to abandon their unwavering insistence that Palestinian refugees be settled in Israel. A policy that seeks to create a realistic framework for peace would seek to knock down positions that are dealbreakers. If implemented, the Palestinians' demand concerning refugees would put at risk Israel's status as a Jewish majority state.

Kandahar · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
Erm ... he is still alive :S

Rushdie is alive, and Rushdie's views are well-known. Some random dissident executed by some Arab dictator years ago can't do very much to make his views known.

Your declaration that he's a "*****" for not submitting himself to torture and execution is absurd.

Laila said:
Muslims condemn. Western media ignores. Not my fault.
I have denounced Al Qaeda more than enough and im getting fed up of having to repeat my positions. Go back and read my posts

You make excuses for Muslim extremists. You're doing it right now, by blaming Salman Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - instead of the people trying to murder them - for Islam's bad reputation.

Laila said:
He is a ***** for not doing that in a Muslim country.
I can go US and denounce Islam and call it evil because im protected.
Those who should be truley respected are those Muslims doing so in a Muslim country.

Hypocrite. You live in one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, and yet you STILL make excuses for medieval thugs. What's YOUR excuse?

Laila said:
Im not even going to bother.
I have said enough times what i think about suicide bombers, i am not going to waste my time repeating it.

Ya, you said that you disapprove of them because suicide is a sin. I guess as long as they only blow up infidels and not themselves, it's A-OK with you?

Laila · Dec 4, 2008

Kandahar said:
Rushdie is alive, and Rushdie's views are well-known. Some random dissident executed by some Arab dictator years ago can't do very much to make his views known.

I was not referring to Rushdie.

You make excuses for Muslim extremists. You're doing it right now, by blaming Salman Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - instead of the people trying to murder them - for Islam's bad reputation.

I made no excuses.
I don't blame Rushdie or Hirsi Ali for terrorism

I just think they do not deserve recognition for doing nothing.

Hypocrite. You live in one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, and yet you STILL make excuses for medieval thugs. What's YOUR excuse?

Hypocrite? I have not stated i support Islamic extremists, on the contrary, i have provided quotes that show the opposite.

Ya, you said that you disapprove of them because suicide is a sin. I guess as long as they only blow up infidels and not themselves, it's A-OK with you?

Erm ... No it is not :/
Im against killing any civilians. The Qu'ran forbids it.

jin1776 · Dec 4, 2008

Laila said:
If you want Muslims to respect you, go face them.
Don't do so in the comfort and security of the west.

:roll: Ya go face them so they can cut your head off, good call.

Hanging Gays is wrong, not every Muslim country does that.

Name a Muslim country where homosexuality is not outlawed.

I support Freedom of speech and always have done so but i disagree, we have every right to be offended if someone insults our Prophets. We just don't have the right to suppress it.

I said you don't have a right "not to be offended" you can be offended all you want just don't riot in the streets.

So you are new and by that you have missed me condeming terrorists, me supporting Israel's right to exist, me saying freedom of speech should also be upheld despite what European Muslims think, expressing a desire for Hadiths to be amended and Qu'ran verses to be condemned by Imam's worldwide ....

Your ignorance in judging me by 1 post is showing.

So do you or do you not condemn Hezbollah and do you recognize them as legitimate? They can be a an armed organization or a political party they can not be both.

She is an Athiest. EXACTLY.
She is no moderate MUSLIM.
She is someone who hates Islam and is making a living off insulting it.
Many Athiests bash Islam, what makes her so damn special?

What makes her special is that because she is critical of Islam she is under the threat of death.

Arab Supremacism?
Dude, im an E African not Arab
Hence why i have 'Somali' on my profile :roll:

I do not wish death on anyone.
Just don't insult true Moderate Muslims by putting her as an example of it seeing she doesn't even follow Islam.

Read the post that started this I didn't mention Hirsi Ali YOU DID!

Laila · Dec 6, 2008

jin1776 said:
:roll: Ya go face them so they can cut your head off, good call.

Nah, go face them and get their respect.
Do not leave Islam, Go US, Insult Islam and my Prophets and expect Muslims to give a **** about what you say.
Its insulting to say the least.

Name a Muslim country where homosexuality is not outlawed.

I haven't heard of any Gays being hanged recentley in Turkey or Jordan for example.

So do you or do you not condemn Hezbollah and do you recognize them as legitimate? They can be a an armed organization or a political party they can not be both.

I condemn them when they kill civilians, I do not when they fund hospitals and schools and give aid to families.

What makes her special is that because she is critical of Islam she is under the threat of death.

Please, As if other Athiests haven't been threatened when insulting Islam.
Face it, she is nothing special. She is a disgrace, she didn't really think Muslims would be "cool" with her calling Islam evil right?
Pity her education didn't teach her to be more subtle :roll:
The only reason she hates Islam is because of what happened to her as a child - No need to blame Islam because you ran away from a forced marriage.

How is she meant to help Africans or Somalis with Circumcision? She ensured that her words would make her hated. How clever ! :doh

REAL Moderate Muslim females who should be admired by all Muslims.
Female Imams

Raheel Raza leads Canada's first mixed-gender Friday prayers outdoors in Toronto

Nakia Jackson leads prayers in Cambridge in celebration of Eid al-Fitr

Laila · Dec 6, 2008

Pamela Taylor (left) leading Muslims in prayer in Toronto

Laury Silvers giveing a sermon to a group of men and women in Cambridge for Eid.

Nakia Jackson leading a mixed-gender group in prayer for Eid

Raheel Raza gives a sermon and leads Friday prayers for a group that includes men and women in Toronto

Those are females who im proud to say are Muslims, they are the ones who will make a change in Islam.

If you want Islam to reform, support those who are still Muslims not the cowards who run away from it and then claim to want to change it from the outside - It is not possible.

Those images above show a breaking of 1,500 year old traditions within Islam which gave Men the entire lead and authority within prayers. Its a very great period to be alive, i saw the first female to lead prayers in UK and prayed along side her with men for the first time.

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