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Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

RealityNow said:
That's way more true than many want to acknowledge and its already showing how many are being left flat out destitute, behind this debacle Trump has made.
First He gives the Wealthy A Massive Tax Break, then in the Middle of a Pandemic, he gives the Wealthy Hard Currency as a Gift.

He could have "frozen ALL mortgage and Rent Payments... and he also could have provided "Tyvek Suits" to Every Employee in the meat packing plants and to every person who works in the Fields picking the vegetables and provided the same to EVERY person working in any kind of Food Production Facility.

His focus was to give money to wealthy corporations, and they still have not provided any just compensation to the employees who continued to work through all of this.

Every Medical Person and Every First Responder could have been provided Tyvek Suits....

He could have Mandated that Corporations "Modify their works spaces" in every kind of Food Production Facility.... yet, they left it the same with some non effective partition, because they did not improve the Air Filtration Systems or Space The People Out... Many Facilities could have been fully remodeled with the money he gave to the wealthy in the form of Cash to do with as they please.
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Only the Contributor Class counts any more. And I mean BIG contributors.
The harsh assumptions at work right now are:

1) Enough voters are angry and easily manipulated to hate minorities, illegal aliens, foreigners, gays, Dems, liberals, and whoever we tell them to.
2) We have a great disinformation mechanism that pumps out our attacks round the clock, including Putin's online army, and a deep team of ultra-Right media allies.
3) Our followers want to believe us because they believe they have been victimized by the minorities, foreigners, gays, Dems, liberals, and whoever we tell them to.
4) Our followers see us as their champions because we don't take crap from the minorities, foreigners, gays, Dems, liberals, NATO, the EU.
5) Our people will stick with us no matter what!
 
jmotivator said:
Nah, we just like pointing out how easily the left flip flops about outrage over states that kill US troops. 4 years ago you didn't give a **** even when Obama was sending Iran money that they were using to pay people to kill US troops. It was no secret that Iran was funding violence against US troops, and Obama sent them billions of dollars... you defended it, it was and is disgusting. You lack the moral position after your support of the Iran deal to suddenly think you can lecture anyone on this subject.

I never said a single thing about what I think of Russia paying people to kill US troops, I am simply pointing out your disgusting hypocrisy on this subject as it suits you politically.

And, by the way, that war in Syria that Democrats started and then you tried to blame Trump for? Yeah, funded by the Iran deal money... that went from the US, to Iran to Syria to Russia.
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Why the moronic lie?
 
PeteEU said:
And so what? You guys seem to not understand that many nations have very very very long memories and they play the long game... Not to mention, does that excuse the US action? No. We just accept it as part of the overall strategy to fight the Soviets, just as Russia sees this as part of the over all strategy to destabilise long standing alliances and unions. It does not make it right.... but you cant come and be outraged when you yourself has been doing similar things for decades...

I dont like Putin one bit, but from a tactical standpoint, what he has been doing for the last 20 years is borderline genius. Funding and back destabilising aspects of European and US politics to drive a wedge between allies in the biggest alliance in modern history. Divide and conquer...very Julius Ceasar.

Of course that does not excuse or help Trump in his lack of reaction... but on a whole the US political system should not be throwing rocks in a glass house. It is a bit like the US criticising Iran for a lack of democracy after the 2000 election..... all the Iranians had to do was to point out that Gore won the popular vote, which they did. And since then the US has had zero credibility in the promotion of democracy in the "undemocratic" areas of the world.
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Sorry, but I'm not outraged. It's simply a matter of professional perspective. In the 1980's the US supported indigenous Afghan resistance fighting a hostile occupying power against whom we were fighting the Cold War.
In the recent episode (if the story is true) the Russians solicited the Taliban as surrogates to kill Americans engaged in counterterrorist operations with allies as a service of common concern benefiting, ironically, the Russians themselves among others.
The Cold War is over. The Russians can't expect to be treated like a "normal" country when (if) they do stuff like this.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, given that the Democrats sent pallets of money to a state sponsor of terrorism who paid terrorists to do that very thing, I would assume this means the Democrats and Russians can now be friendly again. :roll:

I mean, ****, the Obama Iran deal handed Iran the cash that they used to fund terrorist activities against US troops... AND the Democrats lost their marbles when Trump dared authorize the strike on the Iranian General who coordinated all that funding and funneled it into murdering Americans.

What I'm saying is sit down Democrats, you don't rise to the moral level to have an opinion here.
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You have a friend on the thread who makes the same mischaracterization of Iran's frozen assets being returned. Maybe you can have a beer together or something. ;)
 
You could say it's turned a 180 degrees as America did the same with the Soviet union in Afghanistan and openly boasted about it .... they also gave the afghans including bin laden large cache of weapons so if the Russians (which i very much doubt Russians hate Taliban they are sworn enemies) are "paying" the Taliban to kill US forces .... then they are only returning the favour .... sounds like CIA are desperate to keep US soldiers in Afghanistan
 
JMR said:
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says - The New York Times

According to this report, a series of response options was developed in March, but to date no action has been authorized by the White House. Putin's press secretary claims Moscow has not been informed of this intelligence. It will be interesting to see how this situation is handled by the hawkish Pompeo and the conciliatory Trump.
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Did all 17 of our Intelligence Agencies come to the same conclusion on this?

What about a few trusted agencies like the the UK's MI-6; Israel's Mossad and others that we have a good relationship with?

I personally do not believe that Putin placed a bounty on our (US) soldier's lives in Afghanistan or anywhere else.
 
jcgriff2 said:
Did all 17 of our Intelligence Agencies come to the same conclusion on this?

What about a few trusted agencies like the the UK's MI-6; Israel's Mossad and others that we have a good relationship with?

I personally do not believe that Putin placed a bounty on our (US) soldier's lives in Afghanistan or anywhere else.
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It is your prerogative to believe whatever you would like.
 
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Trump Got Written Briefing in February on Possible Russian Bounties, Officials Say
The investigation into Russia’s suspected operation is said to focus in part on the killings of three Marines in a truck bombing last year, officials said.
American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, two officials familiar with the matter said.

The investigation into the suspected Russian covert operation to incentivize such killings has focused in part on an April 2019 car bombing that killed three Marines as one such potential attack, according to multiple officials familiar with the matter.
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jcgriff2 said:
I personally do not believe that Putin placed a bounty on our (US) soldier's lives in Afghanistan or anywhere else.
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Of course not. However, I personally believe that had it happened under President Hillary Clinton, you'd now be ranting, raving, and tearing your hair out over the crass carelessness and incompetence of our president. Reference: Benghazi.
 
Schism said:
As a general rule of thumb, the Five Eyes can't be unilaterally trusted as they have their own agendas; namely survival and power.

The CIA has instigated more atrocities and human rights violations than the nazis at the height of their rein.
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So your argument here is the cia is worse than nazis..
1) trump should use this
2) holy **** that's stupid
3) see 1
 
Plasmaball said:
So your argument here is the cia is worse than nazis..
1) trump should use this
2) holy **** that's stupid
3) see 1
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Oh no, no. Nazi Germany tops the list of atrocities. Then theres's the Soviets, Mongols, and Cambodians. The CIA is way down the list.

It's okay if you still root for them. Their body count is only in the hundreds of thousands.
 
jpn said:
Of course not. However, I personally believe that had it happened under President Hillary Clinton, you'd now be ranting, raving, and tearing your hair out over the crass carelessness and incompetence of our president. Reference: Benghazi.
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And holding endless hearings, not one of which ever produced any significant new information.
 
sanman said:
And meanwhile Obama-Biden-Kerry are going out of their way to appease Iran.
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Evidence? Maybe next semester you can write a history of US-Iranian relations. It's pretty complex. It would help talking to people who actually live there. Try seeing things from other than the heavily varnished, culturally myopic, intellectually limited "America's Number One!" perspective.
 
jpn said:
Evidence? Maybe next semester you can write a history of US-Iranian relations. It's pretty complex. It would help talking to people who actually live there. Try seeing things from other than the heavily varnished, culturally myopic, intellectually limited "America's Number One!" perspective.
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Uhh, do you have amnesia, or some ridiculously short memory?? You don't remember the hundreds of millions in cash that were sent to Iran? You don't see the ridiculous concessions that were made to Iran by Obama-Biden-Kerry in their nuclear deal with Iran?

And then you're absurdly asking for evidence of something that's so well-known and plain as daylight? Come on, you sound like a child who knows nothing about contemporary politics.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Okay? So? Even if we want to assume your point is valid / true / worthwhile, what is Trump going to do about Russia?
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The Russians haven't done anything - what's happened is that NYT finds some Russia-hater in the intelligence agencies, and gets them to spew some unsubstantiated allegation, to then stir up some artificial Russia controversy.

NYT is doing this because China's been hitting the headlines recently with its big bullying spree around its periphery. They've been building out their bases in South China Sea, launched a huge crackdown in HongKong, issuing threats of force to Taiwan and sanctions against Australia, they've raided a Malaysian oil platform, they've intruded into Indonesia waters, they've kidnapped Canadians to hold them hostage over the Huawei arrest, they've told their North Korean puppets to act up against South Korea, they've killed 20 soldiers on the border with India.

So because of all this **** the Chinese are pulling, the NATO/Europe lobby is scared that they're being de-prioritized. So they need to gin things up on their own side, to remind everyone of "big bad Russia".
The reality is that Russia is far below China in terms of a threat. China's economy is FIFTEEN TIMES the size of Russia's. China is way above Russia in terms of threat capability.
China has also been ducking all the latest nuclear arms talks, because they're trying to radically build up their arsenal to challenge the USA. They're literally becoming the new Soviet threat, only much more economically powerful.
It's stupid to keep the crosshairs fixated on Russia, when China is far bigger and more dangerous, and increasingly on the prowl.
The US should do a reverse of Nixon, and mend ties with Russia in order to increase cooperation on China containment.

But I wouldn't expect you to do the sensible thing, because you're retarded. You want to wallow in your ignorance, and then when bad **** inevitably results, you'll be like "I never said any of that stuff. I was saying the opposite all along."
 
sanman said:
The Russians haven't done anything - what's happened is that NYT finds some Russia-hater in the intelligence agencies, and gets them to spew some unsubstantiated allegation, to then stir up some artificial Russia controversy.

NYT is doing this because China's been hitting the headlines recently with its big bullying spree around its periphery. They've been building out their bases in South China Sea, launched a huge crackdown in HongKong, issuing threats of force to Taiwan and sanctions against Australia, they've raided a Malaysian oil platform, they've intruded into Indonesia waters, they've kidnapped Canadians to hold them hostage over the Huawei arrest, they've told their North Korean puppets to act up against South Korea, they've killed 20 soldiers on the border with India.

So because of all this **** the Chinese are pulling, the NATO/Europe lobby is scared that they're being de-prioritized. So they need to gin things up on their own side, to remind everyone of "big bad Russia".
The reality is that Russia is far below China in terms of a threat. China's economy is FIFTEEN TIMES the size of Russia's. China is way above Russia in terms of threat capability.
China has also been ducking all the latest nuclear arms talks, because they're trying to radically build up their arsenal to challenge the USA. They're literally becoming the new Soviet threat, only much more economically powerful.
It's stupid to keep the crosshairs fixated on Russia, when China is far bigger and more dangerous, and increasingly on the prowl.
The US should do a reverse of Nixon, and mend ties with Russia in order to increase cooperation on China containment.

But I wouldn't expect you to do the sensible thing, because you're retarded. You want to wallow in your ignorance, and then when bad **** inevitably results, you'll be like "I never said any of that stuff. I was saying the opposite all along."
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Talk about wallowing in ignorance that's quite an imagination you have.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Ah so you're going the conspiracy theory route. Typical.
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Atomic Kid said:
Talk about wallowing in ignorance that's quite an imagination you have.
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These are content-free dumb replies, which indicate that you're just replying for the sake of replying, and you've no idea about the geopolitical reality.
When it comes to geopolitics, you're out of your depth. Just stick to tearing down statues, since that's all your tiny brains can process.
 
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