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Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

You're just another horribly blind liberal.

Yes, because I won't buy into your Chavez/Hitler conspiracy nonsense I am blind. :roll:

Whatever. As I said before the majority, thank goodness, do not feel like you and I am glad you and others that think like you are in no position to do anything about it.
 
I'm saying that if the majority of his country want to keep him in office and they democratically choose to do so, that is up to them to decide.

I don't think Bush was good for our country, yet I wouldn't support the U.N. putting sanctions on the U.S. just because someone didn't like Bush in charge.
Well I don't know about the people wanting him to remain, but I don't believe in interfering in a fair democratic election process. Maybe we should send Jimmy Carter over there to monitor it. :lol:
 
A typical liberal reaction to a serious threat.

It's GOOD EVIDENCE of his INTENT. Why can you not seem to get that threw your head.

He is almost an EXACT DUPLICATE of Hitler. Indefinate power is BAD.

It's rather ignorant of you to assume that allowing a dictator to get into power would have no effect on this country.

Clearly, you have NO CLUE what constitutes a threat. Clearly, you are not looking at the BIG picture.

You can make all the excuses you want for your side; however, there is no question at all that your side is WRONG.

If Chavez goes unchecked, he WILL become a dictator. This has MANY international implications.

I challenge you to CAREFULLY study Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Min, and the government of China.

Look at the ways they came to power --- then look at what they did while in power. Then take a total count of all the deaths involved in the time they spent in power.

DO NOT try to tell me that a dictatorship in that region is NOT a problem for the world.

And thats the irony of the whole situation. Surely to get rid of Chavez you would have to liberate venuzuleans from the tyranny of their right to vote for who they wish to and put someone in power who they dont want. Surely that person would be a dictator. I challenge you to carefully study, General Pinochet and Carlos Castillo Armas,
 
Yea and against the majority vote of the people. And you dont find that odd? That someone who more people voted against gets the top job? As for the "state" comment.. just an excuse.

interesting. actually states' rights are pretty important to some people. see american civil war.

IMO the US needs to figure out if it is a country or 50 mini states and take the consequence. As it stands now, the political parties can use the "split" to their political favour, may it be getting elected, or getting through legislation over the head of the majority of people. And no I am not against local democracy and as much as possible locally with in reason.

I'm not sure what "split" you are referring to, unless you mean the privilege given to small states that permits them to have a fair say in the senate and in presidential elections even though they are small. if you do not see the political and historical relevance of states' rights in the united states I'm sure this seems very unfair to you, but the reason the senate was created was to allow states to be represented equally regardless of their population--because states had their own cultural identity independent of the american identity. as a compromise the house of representatives was designed to give states with more people more input, but it was never the intention to have the most populous states determine all of the elections, or the least populous states never would have ratified the constitution.

No, he wants to be able to stand for the job more than the term limit. That is NOT president for life. Are term limits great? Sure they are and I support them in any society and am against what Chavez is trying to change, but he is not rewriting the constitution to name him and his children as the only legal President. The amount of US anti Chavez propoganda is so funny and clouding the facts.

I didn't coin the phrase "president for life"--I'm pretty sure those are his own words.

Not qualified? So how involved in democracy have you been? Ever been an election official? Part of a political party? part of a political campaign? Have you voted? I have.. in 2 countries with very different political systems. I am not saying that this makes me all knowing, but it does qualify me at least a bit to discuss political electoral systems around the world, which includes the American.

certainly, but it doesn't qualify you to answer questions for me that regard my personal life and experience, like "does she even read the newspaper? does she prefer nazi blah blah blah?" I was merely pointing out that asking YOU about ME when we don't even know each other is inefficient and somewhat rude.

He brings up a very valid point. Your favourite system brought us Bush, the guy who more people voted against than for, and look what his dictatorial leadership has brought us?! A war that should never have happened, an economy in the tanks, curbed individual freedoms, massive waste and corruption and so on.

I don't think bush is solely responsible for the economy but regardless of all your accusations and whether or not they are true, one disastrous president does not mean the whole system doesn't work. we've had terrible presidents before, look at wilson or whatever, but presidential candidates from both major parties have an equal shot at winning until they open their mouths and neither party is favored by having an electoral vote rather than a popular vote.
 
Yes, because I won't buy into your Chavez/Hitler conspiracy nonsense I am blind. :roll:

Whatever. As I said before the majority, thank goodness, do not feel like you and I am glad you and others that think like you are in no position to do anything about it.

It's not nonsense. You're just unwilling to see the threat he posses. This is your failing not mine.

When Chavez becomes the next Hitler you will be proven wrong and your blindess will be proven.

I suggest you open your eyes and look at the big picture.
 
And thats the irony of the whole situation. Surely to get rid of Chavez you would have to liberate venuzuleans from the tyranny of their right to vote for who they wish to and put someone in power who they dont want. Surely that person would be a dictator. I challenge you to carefully study, General Pinochet and Carlos Castillo Armas,

No, Dave, that is wrong. That is typical liberal bull****. I merely suggested that the next Hitler be stopped before he starts. We are not talking about taking away anybodys rights.

We're talking about stopping the world's next Hitler.

For the record, Pinochet was a military dictator resposible for the deaths of thousands of people.... INCLUDING a few Americans who had the misfortune to be in his country during one of his "purges".

It's interesting that you would use a scumbag like Pinochet as an example. Blindness like yours led to the Nazi occupation of most of Europe during WWII. You really need to open your eyes and take a good look at history.
 
It's not nonsense. You're just unwilling to see the threat he posses. This is your failing not mine.

When Chavez becomes the next Hitler you will be proven wrong and your blindess will be proven.

I suggest you open your eyes and look at the big picture.

And I suggest you drop your paranoia. Hitler's situation is entirely different than this one. The fact you are trying to compare the two is ludicrous.

What has Chavez done to suggest he is the next Hitler? Is he wanting a master race? Is he doing experimentation on people?

The only thing you have is your hatred for Chavez because he is a socialist.
 
And I suggest you drop your paranoia. Hitler's situation is entirely different than this one. The fact you are trying to compare the two is ludicrous.

What has Chavez done to suggest he is the next Hitler? Is he wanting a master race? Is he doing experimentation on people?

The only thing you have is your hatred for Chavez because he is a socialist.

Chavez is seeking absolute power EXACTLY LIKE HITLER DID. Open your eyes and see the big picture.

Also ... Hitler didn't experiment on ANYBODY.... Josef Mengele did ... If you're going to quote history, have the class to quote it correctly.

The only ludicrous thing I see here is your absolute blind support for a would-be dictator.
 
No we're not, you're really bordering on hysteria here mate.

Maybe so, but I would rarther be a little hysterical if it means I do not have to leacture my children on a genocidal dictator who could've been stopped before he got started.

The bottom line is this: I do not want to see another holocaust occur because some people were to blind to see it.

:mrgreen:
 
Maybe so, but I would rarther be a little hysterical if it means I do not have to leacture my children on a genocidal dictator who could've been stopped before he got started.

The bottom line is this: I do not want to see another holocaust occur because some people were to blind to see it.

:mrgreen:

Are you actually being serious? Which people is he going to have a genocide against?

Chavez sucks(so does Gordan Brown though of course as does Bush.)
but he is not much of threat at the moment and certainly not even worth the dangers to liberty and security of most non-military interventions at the moment.
 
Are you actually being serious? Which people is he going to have a genocide against?

Chavez sucks(so does Gordan Brown though of course as does Bush.)
but he is not much of threat at the moment and certainly not even worth the dangers to liberty and security of most non-military interventions at the moment.

I agree with your assessment regarding the current world leadership; however, I believe that Chavez WILL kill ANYBODY who gets in his way. The same way General Penochet did many years ago in his own country.

I think seeking to eliminate term limits is a sign of a dictator in the making. I find this unacceptable and I think Chavez, who is allied with Iran, needs to be delt with before he causes any real trouble.
 
Chavez is seeking absolute power EXACTLY LIKE HITLER DID. Open your eyes and see the big picture.

Also ... Hitler didn't experiment on ANYBODY.... Josef Mengele did ... If you're going to quote history, have the class to quote it correctly.

The only ludicrous thing I see here is your absolute blind support for a would-be dictator.

LOL yes, I support Chavez because I don't want to go in there or sanction him. :roll: Gimme a break, do you always debate this terrible or make generalizations just because I believe your logic is flawed terribly? Just because I don't want to go in there and kill the guy or put sanctions on him doesn't me I support him. I support the right of the people in his country to vote how they want.

Sorry but Hitler had his opposition killed. Chavez has done nothing of the sort. I see you resort to insults when people do not agree with you.

Your hatred for Chavez is clearly your primary motivation and not facts. There is no comparison with Hitler that can be made.

Again, I am thankful noone with any power agrees with you. Carry on with your paranoia ranting.
 
I believe that Chavez WILL kill ANYBODY who gets in his way.

Sorry but your "belief" is not reason to kick Chavez out. Many in the world "believed" Bush was the next Hitler, I guess you support those people attacking the U.S. right? :roll:
 
No, Dave, that is wrong. That is typical liberal bull****. I merely suggested that the next Hitler be stopped before he starts. We are not talking about taking away anybodys rights.

We're talking about stopping the world's next Hitler.

For the record, Pinochet was a military dictator resposible for the deaths of thousands of people.... INCLUDING a few Americans who had the misfortune to be in his country during one of his "purges".

It's interesting that you would use a scumbag like Pinochet as an example. Blindness like yours led to the Nazi occupation of most of Europe during WWII. You really need to open your eyes and take a good look at history.

When did i endorse Pinochet? Try reading my posts. My point was that replaceing Chavez with someone the Venuzuelans didnt want to be there leader would be like what Pinochet and Carlos Armas did. by saying that the leader that the Venuzuleans elected 8 times should be taken away you are by definition, depriveing them of their right to vote for they want. Thus enstalling someone they did not want to in power i.e a dictator. This is exactly how the dictators i mentioned came to power, and many others like them. These leaders killed tens of thousands of people because people like you thought it was acceptable overide the decisions of foriegn electorates over how to run their own countrys. Yet im being painted as some sort of monster for saying people should be able to choose whatever leader they wish:roll:
 
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I agree with your assessment regarding the current world leadership; however, I believe that Chavez WILL kill ANYBODY who gets in his way. The same way General Penochet did many years ago in his own country.

I think seeking to eliminate term limits is a sign of a dictator in the making. I find this unacceptable and I think Chavez, who is allied with Iran, needs to be delt with before he causes any real trouble.

But it is none of our business. He has done little that shows him to be much of a threat and so going after him in interventionist style is a great risk to domestic liberty and external security. It is not our job to police the world.
 
Sorry but Hitler had his opposition killed. Chavez has done nothing of the sort. I see you resort to insults when people do not agree with you.

How do you know Chavez hasn't had his opposition killed? Unless your his major domo, you don't know. It's silly for you to assume that you do.

Your hatred for Chavez is clearly your primary motivation and not facts. There is no comparison with Hitler that can be made.

I do not hate Chavez. That is your arrogant, unfounded, and untrue assumption. Chavez allied himself with Iran. Clearly, he is a threat.

Again, I am thankful noone with any power agrees with you. Carry on with your paranoia ranting.

I am glad someone as blind an uneducated as you is not in a position to make decisions.
 
But it is none of our business. He has done little that shows him to be much of a threat and so going after him in interventionist style is a great risk to domestic liberty and external security. It is not our job to police the world.

He is allied with Iran. The fact that he allied himself and his country with a terrorist nation is sufficient cause for his removal from power.

When terror spreads it is EVERYBODIES business. I am sorry some European nations haven't yet figured out what is going on. The UK knows what is going on; that is why they stood with the USA in Iraq and it's why we stood with them when they were attacked by the ****bags that attacked the USA on September 11, 2001.

It surprises me that a man of your education could possibly be that blind. Terrorists accomplish what they do because people like yourself do not have the courage to stand up to them.

I am very disappointed in you.
 
He is allied with Iran. The fact that he allied himself and his country with a terrorist nation is sufficient cause for his removal from power.
I don't consider Iran much of a threat either and he isn't in much of an alliance with it. It is just anti-American posturing.

When terror spreads it is EVERYBODIES business. I am sorry some European nations haven't yet figured out what is going on. The UK knows what is going on; that is why they stood with the USA in Iraq and it's why we stood with them when they were attacked by the ****bags that attacked the USA on September 11, 2001.
You mean that is why Tony Blair stood by Bush. That ruined his reputation here. It is not our business to police the world or sacrifice all liberty to bogus claims of terrorism.

It surprises me that a man of your education could possibly be that blind. Terrorists accomplish what they do because people like yourself do not have the courage to stand up to them.

I am very disappointed in you.
What do they accomplish? Did you know that on the day 3,000 people died in the twin towers 30,000 children died of starvation? They haven't accomplished much at all except to serve as an excuse for some to threaten our liberties.

I'm not about to surrender domestic liberty or get involved in threats to external security because of the bogus war on terror.
 
When did i endorse Pinochet? Try reading my posts. My point was that replaceing Chavez with someone the Venuzuelans didnt want to be there leader would be like what Pinochet and Carlos Armas did. by saying that the leader that the Venuzuleans elected 8 times should be taken away you are by definition, depriveing them of their right to vote for they want. Thus enstalling someone they did not want to in power i.e a dictator. This is exactly how the dictators i mentioned came to power, and many others like them. These leaders killed tens of thousands of people because people like you thought it was acceptable overide the decisions of foriegn electorates over how to run their own countrys. Yet im being painted as some sort of monster for saying people should be able to choose whatever leader they wish:roll:

You are trying to push your liberal nonsense and it isn't working.

The world cannot allow Chavez to ballot box stuff his way into a dictatorship.

The world doesn't need another dictator ... and the world really doesn't need a dictator who is allied with the terrorist government in Iran.

I agree that people should choose their own leader; I never said anything to the contrary. I merely stated that Chavez is trying to become a dictator. The world cannot afford another dictator/terrorist supporter.

The people down in that country elected Chavez. I don't deny this at all. The people of Germany elected Adlof Hitler Chancellor of Germany in 1933. Hitler then seized total control and enslaved Germany and most of Europe.

Chavez is in a similar situation and is undoubtably seeking the same unchecked power.

Just as Hitler was aligned with terrorists (The Grand Mufti) Chaves is aligned with terrorists (Iran/Syria).

How can you sit there and be so incredibly blind?

Have you learned nothing from history?

Have you learned nothing from the Nazi occupation of Europe in 40s?

Why is it that you cannot see the similarities between what Hitler did in 1933 and what Chavez is trying to do today?
 
I don't consider Iran much of a threat either and he isn't in much of an alliance with it. It is just anti-American posturing.

Then you're blind. Iran is a terrorist jihad ****hole seeking nuclear arms. There is no greater threat than a collection of extremists with nuclear technology.

You mean that is why Tony Blair stood by Bush. That ruined his reputation here. It is not our business to police the world or sacrifice all liberty to bogus claims of terrorism.

The only bogus thing here is your lack of vision and courage. You should be ashamed of yourself.

What do they accomplish? Did you know that on the day 3,000 people died in the twin towers 30,000 children died of starvation? They haven't accomplished much at all except to serve as an excuse for some to threaten our liberties.

Yet more liberal rhetoric. Your example is inappropriate. Your country was attacked just as ours was and yet have the sheer unmitigated gaul to sit there and call it "bogus".

You're a disgrace mate.

I'm not about to surrender domestic liberty or get involved in threats to external security because of the bogus war on terror.

Again, more nonsensical liberal prattle. If you lack the courage to fight, just say so.
 
Then you're blind. Iran is a terrorist jihad ****hole seeking nuclear arms. There is no greater threat than a collection of extremists with nuclear technology.
Iran is an ancient, traditionalist albeit very authoritarian nation but poses little direct threat to Britain.



The only bogus thing here is your lack of vision and courage. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Nice argument there. I know I have little vision, no men do that is why I distrust crusades like yours.:yawn:



Yet more liberal rhetoric. Your example is inappropriate.
You are the liberal one wanting ideological, interventionist crusades.In some part I'm voicing the ancient conservative and Tory suspicion of foreign wars.

Your country was attacked just as ours was and yet have the sheer unmitigated gaul to sit there and call it "bogus".

You're a disgrace mate.
It was attacked by a few home-grown extremists. I want to reduce immigration but I'm not going to surrender

Again, more nonsensical liberal prattle. If you lack the courage to fight, just say so.
Are you in the military?

I lack the wish to risk my liberties on bogus neo-con/liberal crusades particularly against the likes of Chavez.
 
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You are trying to push your liberal nonsense and it isn't working.

The world cannot allow Chavez to ballot box stuff his way into a dictatorship.

The world doesn't need another dictator ... and the world really doesn't need a dictator who is allied with the terrorist government in Iran.

I agree that people should choose their own leader; I never said anything to the contrary. I merely stated that Chavez is trying to become a dictator. The world cannot afford another dictator/terrorist supporter.

The people down in that country elected Chavez. I don't deny this at all. The people of Germany elected Adlof Hitler Chancellor of Germany in 1933. Hitler then seized total control and enslaved Germany and most of Europe.

Chavez is in a similar situation and is undoubtably seeking the same unchecked power.

Just as Hitler was aligned with terrorists (The Grand Mufti) Chaves is aligned with terrorists (Iran/Syria).

How can you sit there and be so incredibly blind?

Have you learned nothing from history?

Have you learned nothing from the Nazi occupation of Europe in 40s?

Why is it that you cannot see the similarities between what Hitler did in 1933 and what Chavez is trying to do today?

Read this very slowly. IM
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DICTATORS
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I know dictators are bad. *That is my point*. By replacing someone a country *did vote for*, with someone they did not vote for. You are implementing a dictorship.

You have said that Chavez should be removed [by force if i got your gist]. By definition, you are saying the person the venuzuleans want to be president should not be president. This enivitably means you are saying that someone they do not want to be president, should be president. By definition you are argueing in favor of totalitarianism.

As regards the vote stuffing. Ild like to see some evidence of this. None of the many international observers sent in to monitor the elections have seen any evidence of this. On the contrary the elections have been described in glowing terms.

Also whom do you expect Chavez to align himself with?
 
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How do you know Chavez hasn't had his opposition killed?

Do you have any proof otherwise? Didn't think so. That's like me telling you to prove you are not killing your neighbors.

I do not hate Chavez. That is your arrogant, unfounded, and untrue assumption. Chavez allied himself with Iran. Clearly, he is a threat.

There are lots of countries allied with Iran, I do not see you calling for all their leaders to be disposed of. Oh and BTW, Iran is not a threat.

Your hatred for Chavez is quite clear and is shown.

I am glad someone as blind an uneducated as you is not in a position to make decisions.

Well considering noone is power is wanting to intervene against Chavez, I would say most everyone agrees with my assessment that he shouldn't be disposed of or taken out of power forcefully.
 
Do you have any proof otherwise? Didn't think so. That's like me telling you to prove you are not killing your neighbors.

There are lots of countries allied with Iran, I do not see you calling for all their leaders to be disposed of. Oh and BTW, Iran is not a threat.

Just because blind liberal cowards are unable to see Iran for the threat it is doesn't mean it's not a threat.

People like you are what lead to 9/11 and the attack in London.

Your hatred for Chavez is quite clear and is shown.

Your lack of ability to determine what is and is not a threat is clear and shown.

I servered in the military. I saw many interesting things that civilians like yourself never get to see. I know what a threat is and I have the courage to deal with it.

You clearly have no idea what a threat is and apparently you lack the courage to do what is necessary to preserve the free world.

Well considering noone is power is wanting to intervene against Chavez, I would say most everyone agrees with my assessment that he shouldn't be disposed of or taken out of power forcefully.

Considering only a few liberals have said anything that supports your side ... I would say ... again ... you have no clue what you're talking about.

Clearly, you are in favor of allowing a dictatorship be born.

That is sad ...

I just wanted make life difficult of a would-be dictator/terrorist ally.

Embargoing both Venezuela and Iran would be fine with me. Chavez is a wanna-be dictator. You're clearly not able to see it... because you choose not to see it. This is a side effect of excess liberalism.

While I am a centerist and I lean right in terms of national defense I should not be accused of being the boogey man.

I am merely stating a threat as I see it ... per my military training. Nothing more.

The key factor here is that I have had training ... you have not.

I know a threat when I see it. You know what you retarded liberal media buddies broadcast.
 
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