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DC protesters try tearing down Andrew Jackson statue at Lafayette Park, set up 'BHAZ' near White Hou

If there's a next time attempt the incompetent radical Trump is highly likely to be advised it's an illegal order.

I doubt Trump will try that again given this was made clear to him by Pentagon and JCS.

Because DC is not a state its National Guard is under the direct command of the Secretary of the Army so Trump would need to fire him first to try to get active duty federal troops into DC again, nevermind activate DCNG troops. Neither will U.S. active duty armed forces be assaulting civilian society protesters short of the extreme requirements of the Insurrection Act which anyway applies to the Confederate Trump first and foremost.






Francis Scott Key who has a bridge across the Potomac named after him once commanded the DC National Guard as a militia force. Key Bridge connects the Georgetown section of Washington to the Rosslyn section of Arlington, Va. and the George Washington Parkway into Virginia alongside sections of the Potomac.

Oh.. I thought that you were going to tell me it was illegal because of Posse Comitatus.

If the radical anarchists come to DC and do what they've done in Seattle, I think that many Americans would not care if Trump called out Federal Troops to place a ring of steel around the area.

I am not suggesting that US Army personnel fix bayonets, shoot anyone or injure anyone.

It is just apparent to me that the do-nothing democratic mayor of DC will do just that - Nothing.
 
Oh.. I thought that you were going to tell me it was illegal because of Posse Comitatus.

If the radical anarchists come to DC and do what they've done in Seattle, I think that many Americans would not care if Trump called out Federal Troops to place a ring of steel around the area.

I am not suggesting that US Army personnel fix bayonets, shoot anyone or injure anyone.

It is just apparent to me that the do-nothing democratic mayor of DC will do just that - Nothing.

The Insurrection Act is the standard for active duty troops to be deployed and DC isn't anywhere near the conditions and requirements of the Act. Neither is the country. You're nowhere near the mark on this one as you focus instead on the mayor of DC who you hate instead of the law and the Constitution. You need to acquire a professional attitude toward active duty troops and their deployment rather than view the same as your personal racial and rightwing political means.
 
The statue vandalism needs to end. Now. It's becoming a broken window thing and contributing to the chaos.

If you don't like a statue then do the GD work. Start a petition, collect signatures, persuade the city council to remove it. It's not your f-ing right to decide for everyone what goes in the public spaces.

Next time someone tags or pulls one down there should be consequences. Fines and possible jail time.
 
The Insurrection Act is the standard for active duty troops to be deployed and DC isn't anywhere near the conditions and requirements of the Act. Neither is the country. You're nowhere near the mark on this one as you focus instead on the mayor of DC who you hate instead of the law and the Constitution. You need to acquire a professional attitude toward active duty troops and their deployment rather than view the same as your personal racial and rightwing political means.


The Act - wiki - Insurrection Act of 1807 - Wikipedia

The Act empowers the U.S. president to call into service the U.S. Armed Forces and the National Guard:

"when requested by a state's legislature, or governor if the legislature cannot be convened, to address an insurrection against that state (§ 251),
to address an insurrection, in any state, which makes it impracticable to enforce the law (§ 252), or
to address an insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination or conspiracy, in any state, which results in the deprivation of Constitutionally-secured rights, and where the state is unable, fails, or refuses to protect said rights (§ 253)."

DC is not a state, so there may be a problem with the Act's language.

Trump will find a way to send troops in if he feels it is necessary.
 
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Some of us are looking forward to an autonomous country filled with women in shorts and tank tops.
 
Are you claiming men are too slow to put together two pieces of bread with a slice of meat in between them?

Why are you so anti-men you think they are incapable of taking care of children or putting together a simple meal to eat while the mother/wife/female is out protesting?

A wife who goes out and protest is neglecting her family responsibilities.
 
The Act - wiki - Insurrection Act of 1807 - Wikipedia

The Act empowers the U.S. president to call into service the U.S. Armed Forces and the National Guard:

"when requested by a state's legislature, or governor if the legislature cannot be convened, to address an insurrection against that state (§ 251),
to address an insurrection, in any state, which makes it impracticable to enforce the law (§ 252), or
to address an insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination or conspiracy, in any state, which results in the deprivation of Constitutionally-secured rights, and where the state is unable, fails, or refuses to protect said rights (§ 253)."

DC is not a state, so there may be a problem with the Act's language.

Trump will find a way to send troops in if he feels it is necessary.

Trump can't find his arse with both hands and blindfolded.

Big as his arse is. So you can put away your magic wand because no he won't "find a way."

SecDef Esper said publicly the conditions to employ the Insurrection Act are nowhere near the statutory standard that authorizes it. Not even close. You need to face that Trump is moving toward issuing an order -- whatever it may be -- the Pentagon is going to tell him is illegal. Neither does anyone at Pentagon need to resign because it is the duty of the armed forces to identify, report and resist an illegal order. It is the obligation of the armed forces to stand up to an illegal order, to stand it down and to return to normalcy however it is defined under the circumstance.
 
Trump can't find his arse with both hands and blindfolded.

Big as his arse is. So you can put away your magic wand because no he won't "find a way."

SecDef Esper said publicly the conditions to employ the Insurrection Act are nowhere near the statutory standard that authorizes it. Not even close. You need to face that Trump is moving toward issuing an order -- whatever it may be -- the Pentagon is going to tell him is illegal. Neither does anyone at Pentagon need to resign because it is the duty of the armed forces to identify, report and resist an illegal order. It is the obligation of the armed forces to stand up to an illegal order, to stand it down and to return to normalcy however it is defined under the circumstance.

It’s not secretary Esper’s decision to make. The statute never provides any power of the Secretary of Defense in this manner. Only the president.
 
Is it just me, or have you gotten more hostile lately?

I've developed a low tolerance for people who have no idea what they are talking about.
 
It’s not secretary Esper’s decision to make. The statute never provides any power of the Secretary of Defense in this manner. Only the president.

Only two people in the government can issue official orders to the armed forces: Potus and Secretary of Defense. No other office holder in the government has the authority. So you're wrong, ie, Esper is the other major figure and the other major figure indeed.


'I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act': Defense Secretary Esper breaks with Trump on use of troops

Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Wednesday he opposes using the U.S. military to quiet domestic unrest in a break with President Donald Trump who threatened to deploy federal troops to "dominate the streets." "I say this not only as secretary of defense, but also as a former soldier, and a former member of the National Guard: The option to use active-duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now," Esper said. "I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act."


Esper said the National Guard is best suited for domestic situations in support of law enforcement. Trump and Esper have differed sharply and publicly in the past. Esper contradicted the president’s threat to target Iranian cultural sites, saying the United States would “follow the laws of armed conflict.” "For over two centuries, the United States military has earned the respect of the American people by being there to protect and serve all Americans," he said. "We will safeguard the hard-earned trust and confidence of the public as our nation's most respected institution."

George Floyd: Mark Esper opposes use of troops to quell protesters



Trump as Potus has said a couple of dozen things that if he turned 'em into an order to the armed forces would be patently and unmistakably illegal and Trump would absolutely be told the fact and the order rejected by the military chiefs and commanders. Absolutely so. Further, Americans do not want the Army invading their state or community. Crucially, neither does the Army want to do that, as we saw when active duty troops were deployed and their feedback to commanders was that they didn't belong there. Moreover, Trump's assumption the armed forces will obey any command he gives is wrong wrong wrong.
 
Chaz will be ending soon. Trump will not. You own his worthless ass.

In that he seems to be the only one with the balls to speak out against attempts to tear down our country, I’ll happily own that. This was never just about the Confederacy as we’re seeing now. Our choice is between believing that, while the US is far from perfect, it is basically good and worth preserving as founded and those that feel this country is irredeemable and needs to be dismantled to be replaced with who knows what.
 
Upside to all of this anarchy is it means Donald Trump is going to win. So the last laugh will be on the protesting anarchy loving left.

If you’re right, and I hope you are, can you even imagine all the exploding heads? It’ll be worse than 2016 and that’s saying something.
 
Trump can't find his arse with both hands and blindfolded.

Big as his arse is. So you can put away your magic wand because no he won't "find a way."

SecDef Esper said publicly the conditions to employ the Insurrection Act are nowhere near the statutory standard that authorizes it. Not even close. You need to face that Trump is moving toward issuing an order -- whatever it may be -- the Pentagon is going to tell him is illegal. Neither does anyone at Pentagon need to resign because it is the duty of the armed forces to identify, report and resist an illegal order. It is the obligation of the armed forces to stand up to an illegal order, to stand it down and to return to normalcy however it is defined under the circumstance.


It wouldn't be an illegal order. Here's their oath: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed"

BLM is a domestic enemy intent on overthrowing our government. Their founders are trained Marxist organizers. This is an insurrection. It's is exactly what the insurrection act is for. There is a core group of Marxists pulling the strings on these willing dupes to bring down our government to make way for a Marxist style of socialism. They don't care about black lives , or any other race that stands in there way. Their goal is to use class warfare to reform our system. The violence is one of their favorite tactics to affect change.
 
Didn't Occupy Wall Street do autonomous zones, too?

I don't think autonomous zones are an effective method of protest...not to mention they're unsanitary....especially during a plague.

It's not good, that's for sure. OWS did a bunch of stuff, I think there was a fundamental issue there that could have been discussed. But there was no leadership, and no real plans, no coherent message, and too many competing groups within it. And they were rather disgusting. I think CHOP suffers from the same thing, and it why it will ultimately fall apart. But doing this in middle of a global pandemic really runs the risk of exacerbating Covid.

I don't think these "autonomous" zones will last much longer.
 
I am thinking it is a Poe. The posts are too much like a cartoonish depiction of the Right from a Lefty. It would also be strange for someone that believes like they do to actually be from Seattle, Washington of all places.

Or maybe he really is that way because he is in or from Seattle surrounded by the same type of people who think creating a police free area is a good idea. :lol:
 
I am being 100% serious.

The breakdown of traditional family and social structures is creating violent and irrational people who can’t function in society.

If the women in this group were in traditional marriages this group wouldn’t exist. We need to address the root causes and not just sarcastically mock these people while feminists are radicalizing more of these every day.

Holy ****, dude, you must love the taste of foot. I pity your wife...if you have one.
 
If you’re right, and I hope you are, can you even imagine all the exploding heads? It’ll be worse than 2016 and that’s saying something.

Expect it to happen. These younger liberals have been conditioned to think and act like spoiled 2 year olds over two full generations now. They are incapable of processing disappointment, acknowledging accountability, never being told the word NO, and actually believing they are special because they are indoctrinated to be victims. Just like that child who is told it's bedtime and complains "that's not fair!" When everyone gets a trophy even for losing, no wonder they act EXACTLY like a 2 year old emotionally. Throwing tantrums is just the beginning.

We all know the best way to deal with a spoiled child and it isn't saying "no" 100 more times and then putting them on time out. Somebody needs a spanking... a hard spanking.

Check out this video and hear the voices. You can just see the crazy in the eyes of these adults who speak, react, and feel like infants. On one hand it is funny to point to them and laugh, but in reality it is actually very scary. A lost generation, and chances are good WHEN Trump wins again their heads will explode, but probably in more violence like we are seeing right now.

How does an adult actually allow the words of "not my president" come out of their mouths? YES, he is YOUR president even if YOU didn't vote for him. Same way Obama was our president for 8 years.

Liberals are clearly people with some switches thrown the wrong way.

 
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BLM is a Marxist movement exploiting racism to transform our government to a Marxist style system. That’s why they are tearing down ALL monuments, statues, or anything that would reflect our history. They want to wipe it out by changing the narrative. Hollywood, rioters and the democrat party are willing dupes, as they believe the movement won’t turn on them. Lol

Everything looks like Marxism even when it's not. Michelle Nickerson did a pretty interesting dive into this phenomenon in her monograph Mothers of Conservatism: Women and the Postwar Right, where many of the social and political changes that were occurring in or outside of California were conflated with political or intellectual Marxism.

Marxists look at the class struggle as the ultimate issue of History (capital h) and dismiss issues related to gender, race, sexuality, disability, whatever as distractions intentionally created by the upper crusts to keep the working classes divided, feuding, and exploited.

The Marxist view of History and society has tended to lead to conflict between minorities and Marxists, because Marxists tend to dismiss the grievances and experiences of those folks and tell them to focus their attention on the class struggle instead.
 
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It's not good, that's for sure. OWS did a bunch of stuff, I think there was a fundamental issue there that could have been discussed. But there was no leadership, and no real plans, no coherent message, and too many competing groups within it. And they were rather disgusting. I think CHOP suffers from the same thing, and it why it will ultimately fall apart. But doing this in middle of a global pandemic really runs the risk of exacerbating Covid.

I don't think these "autonomous" zones will last much longer.

If I recall correctly as well, at times you also had an issue where men in those zones were sexually assaulting women and given the group dynamics involved, were not good at supporting women's safety or self-policing group behavior.
 
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