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Supreme Court rules Trump cannot end DACA in big win for 'Dreamer' legal immigrants

You are either mischaracterizing or twisting the meaning of “equal protection.” Equal protection doesn’t mean that all state laws must be the same. It simply means no state may deny citizens rights arbitrarily.

Logically of course it does. Thats why the demand for gay marriage nationally by the courts ect.
The original understanding of the 14th Amendment had been that rights and laws had to be equal within the individual states.
 
Then I suggest that you complain to the Supreme Court that they don’t know as much as you about constitutional law and separation of powers as you claim to know.

Justice Thomas is correct when he said that this whole issue was a political issue. The problem with the 700,000 folks is a Congressional and presidential issue to solve, not a judicial one.
Should President Trump lose in November, will he issue various EO's and memorandums during the transition for how the government will continue to operate in the Biden Admin, acts that the court is now saying that Mr. Biden would need their approval to undo, assuming he is inclined to do so?
Bad decision by the courts.
 
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I mean what Obama tried to get the GOP congress and senate to do. The Senate has had three years and nothing yet. The house passed a bill McConnell won’t bring it to the floor
That is the process, and it is designed to be cumbersome.
While I actually think it is the right thing to do, to allow the illegals brought here as children to remain,
I question the court ruling that Obama' s executive order, cannot be removed by another executive order.
It is basically saying that a popular executive order, has the same weight as a law passed by both houses
of congress and approved by the President.
This may sound fine, until it is exercised in a way that you do not like!
 
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So he will try again to shut it down, but I don't know - it's hard to get your case heard the first time through SCOTUS. I'm not sure - can you appeal a SCOTUS decision?

The tactic is generally to pick another case that is similar and make a different argument to get the same results you want.
 
That will be possible after McConnell loses his majority and Biden will sign it too. Meanwhile most all of America is sick to death of Trump. He is an anathema to all decent Americans.
This contains two large assumptions. Biden may be slightly favored at this point, but he is running behind where Hillary was four years ago. McConnell is an even longer shot. Democrats have to pick up a seat in a state like Kansas or Montana, in addition to sweeping the competitive races.

Meanwhile, the ruling is more a hiccup than a set back. Like the LGBTQ ruling, it was decided on the written language, ie a conservative reading of the law. It's may not be conservative politically, but liberals are also allowed to appeal to existing law. That's life.
 
Justice Thomas is correct when he said that this whole issue was a political issue. The problem with the 700,000 folks is a Congressional and presidential issue to solve, not a judicial one.
Should President Trump lose in November, will he issue various EO's and memorandums during the transition for how the government will continue to operate in the Biden Admin, acts that the court is now saying that Mr. Biden would need their approval to undo, assuming he is inclined to do so?
Bad decision by the courts.
I agree the issue was political.

Roberts to Trump: " 'Because Obama' Isn't a Good Enough Reason."
 
Upholding rights for gays and allowing Dreamers to stay are both popular with the public. I really don’t mind the GOP going into an election on the wrong side of the public.
Trump is promising that he’ll now get rid of DACA. I can’t think of a better way to get Hispanics motivated to vote against him. It may turn Texas blue.
 
Upholding rights for gays and allowing Dreamers to stay are both popular with the public. I really don’t mind the GOP going into an election on the wrong side of the public.
Trump is promising that he’ll now get rid of DACA. I can’t think of a better way to get Hispanics motivated to vote against him. It may turn Texas blue.

You’d be surprised how many Hispanics are against DACA and immigration in general.

Trump has actually increased his support among Latinos over the last four years.
 
Well unless conservatives grow a spine and start appointing actual conservative judges, then that ruling will stand it. The Democrats are basically now royalty without to find right. They can rule by personal rule the country they don’t need Congress the legislation they can just make an executive order with the law they want.


This is exactly why you people are so lost anymore. Anybody who does not tow the radical right-wing line is a "rino" and any judge who does not rule in accordance to radical right-wing agendas is not an "actual conservative judge." When it comes to conservatism, you people have completely lost the plot.

The GOP has been stacking courts for years in the hopes that partisanship, not constitution, will carry them to victories. The Republicans even refused to consider a seated President's nominee for the Supreme Court in 2016, for an entire year, which was a first in American history. This is what Ralph Reed said in regards to this latest disappointment:

“The left and the right are playing to a different set of rules,” said Ralph Reed, chairman of the Faith & Freedom Coalition, a conservative religious group, after the Gorsuch ruling on Monday. “They seem to be able to appoint people who largely if not universally hew to the party line. On the right it feels sometimes that at best you are batting .500 sometimes.”

Judges are clearly not hewing to a party line. The fact that these judges keep doing their jobs properly, even with conservatives expecting political rulings from conservative judges, is clear evidence of which political side has their heads up their asses. Judges are merely ruling in accordance to their actual duties, which shows that it is "the left" that is consistently on the right side of history. Conservatives have routinely chosen to be on the wrong side of history, which is why you people are always looking for partisan fixes, while trying to pass yourselves off as constitutionally minded. From this, you delude yourselves into thinking that a ruling against you simply must be political, not simply correct.

And ultimately, this is why you people cheer for a radical right-wing President who routinely attacks the judicial system, the media, and all other democratic institutions. You all don't want democracy. You want a perverted right-wing nation, with actual conservatism sacrificed, and where all other voices are silent. In other words, you want an autocracy.
 
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That is the process, and it is designed to be cumbersome.
While I actually think it is the right thing to do, to allow the illegals brought here as children to remain,
I question the court ruling that Obama' s executive order, cannot be removed by another executive order.
It is basically saying that a popular executive order, has the same weight as a law passed by both houses
of congress and approved by the President.
This may sound fine, until it is exercised in a way that you do not like!

It is not cumbersome. The house passes a bill and then McConnell brings it to the floor of the senate. What’s cumbersome about that. The SCOTUS explained why Obama’s executive order cannot be removed by the orange man’s executive order. Trump is an authoritarian idiot and does not know how to do anything with decency and order
 
It is not cumbersome. The house passes a bill and then McConnell brings it to the floor of the senate. What’s cumbersome about that. The SCOTUS explained why Obama’s executive order cannot be removed by the orange man’s executive order. Trump is an authoritarian idiot and does not know how to do anything with decency and order
You left out a few steps there! The process is designed to get agreement from different bodies representing different groups of citizens and states.
In the Senate, if they choose to look at it, it would go to a committee, to draw up a Senate version, that would then need to be voted out of the committee.
the full Senate would then need to vote on the Senate version, and if that vote passes, a house and senate conference committee would be formed,
to draw up a conference bill, that would then need to be voted out of the conference committee, and then voted on by both houses.
I sure wish they still taught civics in schools!
 
This is exactly why you people are so lost anymore. Anybody who does not tow the radical right-wing line is a "rino" and any judge who does not rule in accordance to radical right-wing agendas is not an "actual conservative judge." When it comes to conservatism, you people have completely lost the plot.

The GOP has been stacking courts for years in the hopes that partisanship, not constitution, will carry them to victories. The Republicans even refused to consider a seated President's nominee for the Supreme Court in 2016, for an entire year, which was a first in American history. This is what Ralph Reed said in regards to this latest disappointment:



Judges are clearly not hewing to a party line. The fact that these judges keep doing their jobs properly, even with conservatives expecting political rulings from conservative judges, is clear evidence of which political side has their heads up their asses. Judges are merely ruling in accordance to their actual duties, which shows that it is "the left" that is consistently on the right side of history. Conservatives have routinely chosen to be on the wrong side of history, which is why you people are always looking for partisan fixes, while trying to pass yourselves off as constitutionally minded. From this, you delude yourselves into thinking that a ruling against you simply must be political, not simply correct.

And ultimately, this is why you people cheer for a radical right-wing President who routinely attacks the judicial system, the media, and all other democratic institutions. You all don't want democracy. You want a perverted right-wing nation, with actual conservatism sacrificed, and where all other voices are silent. In other words, you want an autocracy.

Blah blah blah

What law authorized Obama to grant a visa program like DACA in excess of visa quotas in the INA?

Title and chapter please
 
Equal protection has absolutely nothing to do with marriage which historically has been left to the states and the same holds true of sexual orientation. Quite frankly I don't give a damn if you marry your dog as this issue is of no interest to me my point was the 6-3 vote was boosted by two Justices that the left tried to destroy with politics of personal destruction showing that the left will destroy anyone that gets in their way then turn on a dime when they get one to support an issue of importance to them

My take is you are a radical left leaning individual whose entire issue is anti conservative, anti American, and anti Constitution making it out to be a document that is in invisible ink being what you want it to be when you want it to serve your purpose. The true role of the Federal Gov't is to PROVIDE for the common defense and promote Domestic welfare with the emphasis on PROMOTE. Your issues should be with the state but ignorance forces the left to make everything political and rants against Trump

As I have said the American Armband Right hates the Bill of Rights and detests virtually all post Civil War amendments to the Constitution that you hate as the Law of the Land. Indeed your post has been well addressed already so I would only add that you'd need to look at the full record of the two justices you condemn on the 6-3 vote you are hysterical about. Your statement of some indifference of sorts to marrying "your dog" does not indicate a tolerance or acceptance but rather shows how absurdly bent out of human shape you get on these issues of Constitutional law.
 
As I have said the American Armband Right hates the Bill of Rights and detests virtually all post Civil War amendments to the Constitution that you hate as the Law of the Land. Indeed your post has been well addressed already so I would only add that you'd need to look at the full record of the two justices you condemn on the 6-3 vote you are hysterical about. Your statement of some indifference of sorts to marrying "your dog" does not indicate a tolerance or acceptance but rather shows how absurdly bent out of human shape you get on these issues of Constitutional law.

And the American Left uses what isn't in the Constitution to take away the rights of the majority in this country totally ignoring state and local rights and responsibilities. Your big central gov't ideology doesn't exist in this country and equal rights doesn't relate to sexual issues or even marriage. You have the same rights I have thus equal to marry anyone of the opposite sex as I have. You need to reread the Constitution and tell me where sexual activity and marriage is defined in the Constitution. The most racist people in the world today are those who label themselves as Gay Americans, Bisexual Americans, African Americans, Who gives a damn, why the hyphenated description and not simply American?

Calling attention to your sexual orientation my be your right of expression but it has nothing to do with your rights under the Constitution as those rights aren't listed thus left to the states
 
You left out a few steps there! The process is designed to get agreement from different bodies representing different groups of citizens and states.
In the Senate, if they choose to look at it, it would go to a committee, to draw up a Senate version, that would then need to be voted out of the committee.
the full Senate would then need to vote on the Senate version, and if that vote passes, a house and senate conference committee would be formed,
to draw up a conference bill, that would then need to be voted out of the conference committee, and then voted on by both houses.
I sure wish they still taught civics in schools!
So why haven’t any of that been done. Mc Connell has had three years
 
I read this thread to about page 13, I googled, I read some of the ruling today. I did all that to get an answer to 1 question I have and have had since 2017.

Did Trump actually write an EO to permanently end DACA?

Whether right or wrong he would have all right to do that. So did he?
 
You keep dodging and never answering direct questions meaning you must be a Democratic Operative or related to a Democratic Operative. You really are clueless on what happened in the SC on this ruling. DACA remains until Congress creates a permanent law and that isn't going to be your liking after the November Elections

Not good news for people like you who need taxpayers to fund their personal responsibility issues

Blitz: Trump Will Smash the Left and Win

You really have gone over the edge now. Trump has a secret plan? :lol: The only plan I see in you link is one to take your money. I bet you fell for it too.
 
I love this. Trump got two picks on the court. Like every single other action he has tried he failed. He couldn't find a partisan judge. You can not blame democrats for Trump failing to come through on his promises. You can only blame yourselves for believe a salesman.

Trump is a con man not a salesman. Otherwise you got it right.
 
I read this thread to about page 13, I googled, I read some of the ruling today. I did all that to get an answer to 1 question I have and have had since 2017.

Did Trump actually write an EO to permanently end DACA?

Whether right or wrong he would have all right to do that. So did he?

As far as I can find the answer is no. Trump "announced" that he was ending DACA and there was no mention of any EO.

Trump Ends DACA, Calls On Congress To Act : NPR
 
I read this thread to about page 13, I googled, I read some of the ruling today. I did all that to get an answer to 1 question I have and have had since 2017.

Did Trump actually write an EO to permanently end DACA?

Whether right or wrong he would have all right to do that. So did he?

There were no executive orders creating or removing DACA.
 
So why haven’t any of that been done. Mc Connell has had three years

Our representatives represent what their constituents want! Perhaps leaving DACA as an executive order is better than codifying it into law!


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You are either mischaracterizing or twisting the meaning of “equal protection.” Equal protection doesn’t mean that all state laws must be the same. It simply means no state may deny citizens rights arbitrarily.

What could be more arbitrary than driving at age 16, voting at age 18 and drinking at age 21?
 
What could be more arbitrary than driving at age 16, voting at age 18 and drinking at age 21?

The ages were not decided by a roll of D&D dice...

The absence of a rationale (arbitrary) is different than simply not liking the rationale.
 
And the American Left uses what isn't in the Constitution to take away the rights of the majority in this country totally ignoring state and local rights and responsibilities. Your big central gov't ideology doesn't exist in this country and equal rights doesn't relate to sexual issues or even marriage. You have the same rights I have thus equal to marry anyone of the opposite sex as I have. You need to reread the Constitution and tell me where sexual activity and marriage is defined in the Constitution. The most racist people in the world today are those who label themselves as Gay Americans, Bisexual Americans, African Americans, Who gives a damn, why the hyphenated description and not simply American?

Calling attention to your sexual orientation my be your right of expression but it has nothing to do with your rights under the Constitution as those rights aren't listed thus left to the states

There isn't anything in your post that you're right about given especially equal justice under law is the precept and the defining principle of the Constitution. You write up a marriage license and you're doing something under law and the laws are applied equally. The 14th amendment assures due process now step out of the way plse thx.
 
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