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Thomas Jefferson Statue Toppled in Portland, Oregon

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Thomas Jefferson Statue Toppled in Portland, Oregon


A statue of Thomas Jefferson outside a high school named for him in North Portland, Oregon was toppled Sunday after a night of protests, reports CBS Portland, Oregon affiliate KOIN-TV. It was the latest to be vandalized or pulled over in the U.S. and other nations during the racial justice protests that have followed the death of George Floyd at Minneapolis police hands three week ago.

Statues of leading Confederate figures as well as slaveowners and slave traders have been targeted by demonstrators – and in some cases, removed by state and state governments.

The Jefferson statue was the third to be taken down this weekend in Oregon alone: Two at the University of Oregon – the Pioneer Man and the Pioneer Mother – were taken down Saturday evening.

Earlier Sunday evening, the steps of Jefferson High School were the sight of a Black Lives Matter rally led by Rose City Justice.

Organizers spoke in front of the Jefferson statue—its base spray-painted with the phrase "Slave Owner."

Some time after the march moved on to a local park, the statue was toppled.

It wasn't clear who did it or whether they were involved in the Black Lives Matter demonstration there hours before.



What a bunch of clever youth - really a credit to their generation. Just as the people who served in WW2 to fight fascism and were called "the greatest generation", this current lot will be remembered for their particular achievements. :roll:
 
Here's what Trump said a few years ago, when Civil War statues were first being pulled down:


 
Oh, look - the revolution keeps expanding its list of enemies:


Thomas Jefferson Statue Toppled in Portland, Oregon






What a bunch of clever youth - really a credit to their generation. Just as the people who served in WW2 to fight fascism and were called "the greatest generation", this current lot will be remembered for their particular achievements. :roll:

When liberals all transfer out of UVA, I will believe they are serious about this slave stuff.
 
Oh look, the colonists pulled down statues, too. It must be an American tradition.


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Oh look, the colonists pulled down statues, too. It must be an American tradition.


The difference lies in whose statues were being pulled down. Furthermore, today's youth are much divorced from the time of Thomas Jefferson.
By your standards, any civic statue can be pulled down at any time on a whim.


Look again at where the current generation are heading:

 
Only certain people are allowed to be heroes now:

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Oh look, the colonists pulled down statues, too. It must be an American tradition.


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Thomas Jefferson is King George 3rd? Are you ****ing serious?
 
Oh, look - the revolution keeps expanding its list of enemies:


Thomas Jefferson Statue Toppled in Portland, Oregon






What a bunch of clever youth - really a credit to their generation. Just as the people who served in WW2 to fight fascism and were called "the greatest generation", this current lot will be remembered for their particular achievements. :roll:

I believe I mentioned the slippery slope of this effort to rename, and "topple" motivated by "whitewashing" history.

This is the problem with your argument. Change the [red] to insert whatever name you wish qualified by "and slave owner" and you start the ball rolling to erase much of American history.

The Declaration of Independence was written by a slave-owner. Because some might "care" should we burn it?

The Constitution was also written primarily by a slave-owner. Because some might "care" should we discard it?

George Washington, our very first President, was a slave-owner. Should we erase him and all those others from the pages of American history, because some might "care" about it? Maybe vilify them instead to help undermine American "idealism" as a false flag for "eternal racism?"...

So, it started with defacing monuments in Washington DC a week or so ago, including the Lincoln Memorial. Now we have them toppling a statue of Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence.

Small steps lead to bigger steps...
 
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Oh look, the colonists pulled down statues, too. It must be an American tradition.


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The colonists did not have an ultimate say over their affairs. American citizens do at the local, state and Federal level. Do you support statues and monuments of our nation's founders being taken down without public discussion or vote but by simple mass vandalism, Moot? If people started ripping down monuments to Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King Jr., would you simply sneer and chalk it up to "tradition"? What is the limiting principle beyond "He did some bad wicked things that overshadow the good he accomplished, so rip down anything commemorating him."?
 
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The difference lies in whose statues were being pulled down. Furthermore, today's youth are much divorced from the time of Thomas Jefferson.
By your standards, any civic statue can be pulled down at any time on a whim.


Look again at where the current generation are heading:



I'd rather they tear down a few symbols than shoot people. You should worry more about grown men pretending they're Rambo and shooting at crowds...than worry about a few teens expressing free speech by pulling down a statue on school property. Property can be replaced...people can't.

Look where the current generation of righwingers are heading:

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I'd rather they tear down a few symbols than shoot people. You should worry more about grown men pretending they're Rambo and shooting at crowds...than worry about a few teens expressing free speech by pulling down a statue on school property. Property can be replaced...people can't.

Look where the current generation of righwingers are heading:

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Is the choice really between lawless destruction of symbols and statues commemorating our nation's founders and mass murder? Why do we have to choose between either?
 
Well, two things will by the end of this year as a result of this wave of hysterical "cancel culture" from the left:

1) the anarchists, BLM, and far left progressive "occupiers" will win the war against unprotected inanimate statues of dead men and topple all or most of them

2) even MORE people will show up to vote for Donald Trump as a result of seeing this anarchy in the streets assuring Trump 4 more years .


I call that a fair enough trade if you ask me.
 
The colonists did not have an ultimate say over their affairs. American citizens do at the local, state and Federal level. Do you support statues and monuments of our nation's founders being taken down without public discussion or vote but by simple mass vandalism, Moot? If people started ripping down monuments to Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King Jr., would you simply sneer and chalk it up to "tradition"? What is the limiting principle beyond "He did some bad wicked things that overshadow the good he accomplished, so rip down anything commemorating him."?

We know America is in trouble when uncivilized immature whineybutt anarchists are encouraged by elected government officials to committ violence, destruction and murder in a quest to destroy everything God Bless America has been or has stood for for hundreds of years.
 
Well, two things will by the end of this year as a result of this wave of hysterical "cancel culture" from the left:

1) the anarchists, BLM, and far left progressive "occupiers" will win the war against unprotected inanimate statues of dead men and topple all or most of them

2) even MORE people will show up to vote for Donald Trump as a result of seeing this anarchy in the streets assuring Trump 4 more years .


I call that a fair enough trade if you ask me.

Trump ain't getting any more voters, sorry. He may still win, gaming the EC like last time. He may also rely on expanded voter suppression. But he WILL lose the popular vote, by at least the margin he lost it last time.

I admit Trump can win, but let's dispense with the myth he'll ever be more popular than he was yesterday, every day of his fat orange life.
 
I'd rather they tear down a few symbols than shoot people. You should worry more about grown men pretending they're Rambo and shooting at crowds...than worry about a few teens expressing free speech by pulling down a statue on school property. Property can be replaced...people can't.

Look where the current generation of righwingers are heading:

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Nobody endorsed that crazy kid. His actions were recognized for the evil they were.
 
Oh, look - the revolution keeps expanding its list of enemies:


Thomas Jefferson Statue Toppled in Portland, Oregon






What a bunch of clever youth - really a credit to their generation. Just as the people who served in WW2 to fight fascism and were called "the greatest generation", this current lot will be remembered for their particular achievements. :roll:

And just like that, we can see that Trump was dead on the money with his prediction.
 
I'd rather they tear down a few symbols than shoot people. You should worry more about grown men pretending they're Rambo and shooting at crowds...than worry about a few teens expressing free speech by pulling down a statue on school property. Property can be replaced...people can't.

Look where the current generation of righwingers are heading:

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What current generation of right-wingers?
The right will easily disavow such actions and will condemn them on the spot. So acting like they're largely in support of such things, is disingenuous.
 
Oh, look - the revolution keeps expanding its list of enemies:


Thomas Jefferson Statue Toppled in Portland, Oregon






What a bunch of clever youth - really a credit to their generation. Just as the people who served in WW2 to fight fascism and were called "the greatest generation", this current lot will be remembered for their particular achievements. :roll:
Use the video to identify them then prosecute them and sue them. I am in favor of a process driven by local concerns among taxpayers and citizens of Portland who are presumably the owners of that statute and the property on which it sits, not vandals.

If they are kids from that high school, they can think of it as just more 'free education' from Portlanders, in the limits of personal autonomy in an orderly society.

And you remember exactly what percentage of the Portland youth, engaged in said illegal conduct. Most spent their time on the basketball court, texting their lust or love interest, or sitting at home in front of the tube maybe working their part time job.
 
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Trump ain't getting any more voters, sorry. He may still win, gaming the EC like last time. He may also rely on expanded voter suppression. But he WILL lose the popular vote, by at least the margin he lost it last time.

I admit Trump can win, but let's dispense with the myth he'll ever be more popular than he was yesterday, every day of his fat orange life.

Winning the electoral vote is not "gaming" it is how the system works. Maybe you were out sick the day this topic was covered in 12th grade civic class. Winning more popular votes does help if you don't win at least 270 electoral votes.

Even if every democrat voter in California, New York, Illinois, and New Jersey had voted 10 times each, Trump still would have won. Because winning more popular votes in a state you already carried is like paying for a 100 gallons of gas for a Honda Civic and then filling the tank and letting the rest of gas spill onto the ground. YOU DON'T NEED IT, and it won't help you.
 
The colonists did not have an ultimate say over their affairs. American citizens do at the local, state and Federal level. Do you support statues and monuments of our nation's founders being taken down without public discussion or vote but by simple mass vandalism, Moot? If people started ripping down monuments to Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King Jr., would you simply sneer and chalk it up to "tradition"?

No, I don't support it...but I understand it. People are raging against the machine and tearing down Jefferson's statue was a somewhat misguided symbolic expression of free speech against systemic racism that has permeated this country since it's founding and beyond. But I"m not for tearing down statues of founders...just statues of traitors...and Jefferson wasn't a traitor.

Jefferson said..."the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure." So it's kind of ironic that his statue was torn down to refresh the tree of liberty. But he himself advocated for the French Revolution...so who knows, maybe he would've approved of today's less violent protests against the system.
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The difference lies in whose statues were being pulled down. Furthermore, today's youth are much divorced from the time of Thomas Jefferson.
By your standards, any civic statue can be pulled down at any time on a whim.


Look again at where the current generation are heading:



It would appear that you are the one divorced from the 'times' of Mr Jefferson. If you did have an understanding of his role in the times in which he lived, you would understand why his legacy is at the very least, deeply at odds with the lofty prose he used in authoring our Declaration of Independence. Where he proclaimed that "all men were created equal".
 
What current generation of right-wingers?
The right will easily disavow such actions and will condemn them on the spot. So acting like they're largely in support of such things, is disingenuous.

Mama, don't let your babies grow up to be racist fascists...

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It would appear that you are the one divorced from the 'times' of Mr Jefferson. If you did have an understanding of his role in the times in which he lived, you would understand why his legacy is at the very least, deeply at odds with the lofty prose he used in authoring our Declaration of Independence. Where he proclaimed that "all men were created equal".

In fact, Jefferson's first draft of the Declaration did recognize the issue of slavery. In it, he stated that King George had "waged cruel War against Nature itself, violating its most sacred Rights of Life and Liberty in the Persons of a distant People who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into Slavery in another Hemisphere, or to incur miserable Death, in their Transportation thither."...

All of the participants in the Second Continental Congress who signed the Declaration of Independence knew that slavery was an issue that concerned the nation. Slavery had already been abolished in England and Europe. Many of the founders and other citizens in the colonies argued for emancipation. Although he was a slaveholder, Thomas Jefferson along with James Madison and Patrick Henry had tried to have the Virginia Assembly figure out how to stop the importation of slaves in 1772, but King George III stopped the Assembly from taking action...

Those who drafted the Declaration believed that it was better to remove the section dealing with slavery than risk a long debate over the issue of slavery. They needed the support for independence from the southern states. The clause itself was stricken out at the request of delegates from South Carolina, and Georgia, but with the agreement of New England states. The delegates recognized that the Declaration was going to result in war with England and that if the colonies were not united, they would not prevail. It was too big an issue for thirteen separate and independent colonies to tackle before they had even formed a country or won independence from England.

At the same time, the Founders knew that eventually slavery had to be ended.
Slavery: Lesson Plan
 
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Nobody endorsed that crazy kid. His actions were recognized for the evil they were.

The problem is there are tens of thousands more out there that were raised just like him.
 
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