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Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks [W:793]

Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

Wow, you're slower than I expected.

Not every call to the police involves a criminal complaint. You recognize that, right? Please identify, in your paragraph, the criminal action of Mr. Brooks. Be specific.

Because the class can't wait... here's the answer: there isn't one. Even if he was sitting in the drive through with the engine running, it is not a criminal violation. He's not on a public thoroughfare. Get it? Wendy's, as the private property owner, is authorized to move him, or have him removed from the premises, neither of which was done. The officers escalated the encounter without legal authority. That is why they are being charged.

Now, do you understand?

I apologize for being salty, but I don't appreciate being challenged on something I know well by someone being condescending and wrong. I'll stand down if you acknowledge the error.

LOL he was trespassing, was he not? Wouldn't that be why Wendy's called, he was impeding their business?

Seriously, I get it, you want to use the excuse that Brooks did ****all wrong......that's not the case.
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

Wow, you're slower than I expected.

Not every call to the police involves a criminal complaint. You recognize that, right? Please identify, in your paragraph, the criminal action of Mr. Brooks. Be specific.

Because the class can't wait... here's the answer: there isn't one. Even if he was sitting in the drive through with the engine running, it is not a criminal violation. He's not on a public thoroughfare. Get it? Wendy's, as the private property owner, is authorized to move him, or have him removed from the premises, neither of which was done. The officers escalated the encounter without legal authority. That is why they are being charged.

Now, do you understand?

I apologize for being salty, but I don't appreciate being challenged on something I know well by someone being condescending and wrong. I'll stand down if you acknowledge the error.

Again, so ****ing wrong....

Yes, there was one, Georgia law permits DUI investigations on private property, did you not know that? It's ok to say you didn't.

The officer responded to the complaint.....and found Brooks passed out, with the car running, in the Wendy's drive thru, NOT the parking lot, the DRIVE THRU, CAR RUNNING. At that point, he had an articulable basis or reasonable suspicion to START a DUI investigation.

Took him multiple times to wake him up, asked him to move his vehicle, and he ran up over the curb on it. Again REASONABLE suspicion. Your words no one else's.

And Georgia law permits DUI investigations on PRIVATE PROPERTY.
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

LOL he was trespassing, was he not? [HE WAS NOT] Wouldn't that be why Wendy's called, he was impeding their business?
Your point being? [That is not what the trespass law says.]

I'm genuinely interested in where you are getting your information, because I should maybe complain about your source, rather than your spread of misinformation. Either your research is inadequate, or your source is tainted (or both). I appreciate you not wanting to be SHOWN to be wrong, but your persistence in being so is getting annoying.
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

Again, so ****ing wrong....

Yes, there was one, Georgia law permits DUI investigations on private property, did you not know that? It's ok to say you didn't.

The officer responded to the complaint.....and found Brooks passed out, with the car running, in the Wendy's drive thru, NOT the parking lot, the DRIVE THRU, CAR RUNNING. At that point, he had an articulable basis or reasonable suspicion to START a DUI investigation.

Took him multiple times to wake him up, asked him to move his vehicle, and he ran up over the curb on it. Again REASONABLE suspicion. Your words no one else's. [Upon what are you basing these assertions? ]

And Georgia law permits DUI investigations on PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Citation? SOURCE? Start here.

It may be that Georgia allows investigation on private property, or at least property open to the public. I'm not (and never intended to be) a Georgia lawyer. That would be an exception, not the norm, and would create some serious constitutional issues. But that is not the point, and never has been.

I'll grant you everything you assert for sake of argument. Even if the investigation were warranted (an arrest was not), even if an arrest was authorized, and even if resistance was unjustified, shooting a fleeing suspect (who was already identified) from a misdemeanor arrest is NEVER justified. He did not, ever, pose a deadly threat to the officer who shot him, or to the public. You can't get past that.
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

They are considered non-lethal, that is why the police have them. Otherwise, anytime the cop used one, he would have to explain why he used lethal force. Therefore, the cop can not argue that a taser fired at him is lethal force.

Again, tasers are not non lethal. They are less lethal.

Its moot. This whole matter is about poor judgement resulting in death of one man and the rightful employment termination of the other. As to the cop being charged.... well, this is a matter for the courts.
This was a legally justified shooting. The suspect assaulted a police officer, which is a felony. He stole the officers taser, ran away from them then turned and fired the taser at police. Use of lethal force against the suspect is perfectly justified. The cop will not be convicted, as no crime was committed. He will sue his department and will win for wrongful termination.
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

Citation? SOURCE? Start here.

It may be that Georgia allows investigation on private property, or at least property open to the public. I'm not (and never intended to be) a Georgia lawyer. That would be an exception, not the norm, and would create some serious constitutional issues. But that is not the point, and never has been.

I'll grant you everything you assert for sake of argument. Even if the investigation were warranted (an arrest was not), even if an arrest was authorized, and even if resistance was unjustified, shooting a fleeing suspect (who was already identified) from a misdemeanor arrest is NEVER justified. He did not, ever, pose a deadly threat to the officer who shot him, or to the public. You can't get past that.

He assaulted the officer while resisting. That is felonious assault. He stole the officers taser, ran, then turned and fired it at the cop. Shooting the suspect is entirely justified, as he was an immediate danger to the officers, the public and he was armed.
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

Citation? SOURCE? Start here.

It may be that Georgia allows investigation on private property, or at least property open to the public. I'm not (and never intended to be) a Georgia lawyer. That would be an exception, not the norm, and would create some serious constitutional issues. But that is not the point, and never has been.

I'll grant you everything you assert for sake of argument. Even if the investigation were warranted (an arrest was not), even if an arrest was authorized, and even if resistance was unjustified, shooting a fleeing suspect (who was already identified) from a misdemeanor arrest is NEVER justified. He did not, ever, pose a deadly threat to the officer who shot him, or to the public. You can't get past that.

He stopped being a fleeing suspect as soon as he turned around with a deadly weapon, watch the video, the cop does not go for his firearm until Brooks turns around, WHY IS THAT? If he was intent on shooting a fleeing suspect like you have to believe, why didn't he have his service weapon out ALREADY? Because that's not what happened....is it?
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

Again, tasers are not non lethal. They are less lethal.


This was a legally justified shooting. The suspect assaulted a police officer, which is a felony. He stole the officers taser, ran away from them then turned and fired the taser at police. Use of lethal force against the suspect is perfectly justified. The cop will not be convicted, as no crime was committed. He will sue his department and will win for wrongful termination.

He may not be convicted, but at least the family (and society) will have its day in court.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on in a lawsuit against the city. He was terminated for exercising poor judgement leading to death and exposing the City of Atlanta to costly legal action. The city is likely to be sued for wrongful death because of this idiot's poor judgement (and the fact he was still on staff in spite of being involved in another questionable shooting.) The days of cops shooting someone in the back and hiding behind the law are gone. He may not go to jail, but his days as a cop are over.

Good riddance! He was a bad cop and a bad human being. He is exactly the type of person that needs to extricated from our police forces as he gives police a bad name.
 
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Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

He may not be convicted, but at least the family (and society) will have its day in court.
I’m all for due process.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on in a lawsuit against the city. He was terminated for exercising poor judgement leading to death and exposing the City of Atlanta to costly legal action.
Not sure how you consider using deadly force in the face of imminent harm from an armed suspect to be poor judgement?

The city is likely to be sued for wrongful death because of this idiot's poor judgement (and the fact he was still on staff in spite of being involved in another questionable shooting.) The days of cops shooting someone in the back and hiding behind the law are gone. He may not go to jail, but his days as a cop are over.
The family has no chance at winning a law suit against the city. The suspect assaulted an officer, stole one of his weapons, and fired it at them. The shooting was 100% justified.

Good riddance! He was a bad cop and a bad human being. He is exactly the type of person that needs to extricated from our police forces as he gives police a bad name.
His actions were absolutely correct in this situation. The shooting was completely justified. The officer did nothing wrong at all.
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

He stopped being a fleeing suspect as soon as he turned around with a deadly weapon, watch the video, the cop does not go for his firearm until Brooks turns around, WHY IS THAT? If he was intent on shooting a fleeing suspect like you have to believe, why didn't he have his service weapon out ALREADY? Because that's not what happened....is it?
You're massaging reality to fit your preconceived conclusion.

When I first read about this incident, I was on the cop's side. But as with much reporting, the original reports were erroneous. I watched the videos, in detail. So did the prosecuting attorney. As I said, this did not have to happen as it did. A man is dead who should not be, and an officer charged for use of excessive force.

You are wrong on major points, and I suspect why. You are not objective. Even a little.

First, the officers had no reason to arrest him. That was discretionary. A citation would have sufficed. They could have watched him walk to his sister's house, which was visible from the parking lot. He had not been in operation of the vehicle for at least 45 minutes, and had voluntarily surrendered his keys. They had his ID.

Second, a taser is not defined by Georgia law as a "handgun" or "dangerous weapon" or a "deadly weapon". It can be, depending on the circumstances considered an "offensive" weapon, Harwell v. State, 512 S.E.2d 892 (Ga. Sup. Ct. 1999), or "a weapon likely to result in serious bodily injury". (Whether a weapon is deadly or one likely to cause serious bodily injury is a question for the jury, which may consider all the circumstances surrounding the weapon and the manner in which it was used. Williams v. State, 127 Ga.App. 386(1), 193 S.E.2d 633 (1972). See also Arnett v. State, 245 Ga. 470(3), 265 S.E.2d 771 (1980). Cf. Smith v. Hardrick, 266 Ga. 54(2), 464 S.E.2d 198 (1995))

In this instance, the taser had been discharged (twice, according to the information) and inoperable, and he was well beyond the taser's range (18 feet) when he was shot. That is also apparent on the video. So it would be hard to argue it is an offensive weapon or a weapon which could cause serious injury under the circumstances.

Third, he didn't "turn around", as you assert. He continued to flee, while pointing the empty taser behind him. The two shots penetrated his BACK. So, your supposition doesn't match the evidence. No need to "try again".
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

You're massaging reality to fit your preconceived conclusion.

When I first read about this incident, I was on the cop's side. But as with much reporting, the original reports were erroneous. I watched the videos, in detail. So did the prosecuting attorney. As I said, this did not have to happen as it did. A man is dead who should not be, and an officer charged for use of excessive force.

You are wrong on major points, and I suspect why. You are not objective. Even a little.

First, the officers had no reason to arrest him. That was discretionary. A citation would have sufficed. They could have watched him walk to his sister's house, which was visible from the parking lot. He had not been in operation of the vehicle for at least 45 minutes, and had voluntarily surrendered his keys. They had his ID.

Second, a taser is not defined by Georgia law as a "handgun" or "dangerous weapon" or a "deadly weapon". It can be, depending on the circumstances considered an "offensive" weapon, Harwell v. State, 512 S.E.2d 892 (Ga. Sup. Ct. 1999), or "a weapon likely to result in serious bodily injury". (Whether a weapon is deadly or one likely to cause serious bodily injury is a question for the jury, which may consider all the circumstances surrounding the weapon and the manner in which it was used. Williams v. State, 127 Ga.App. 386(1), 193 S.E.2d 633 (1972). See also Arnett v. State, 245 Ga. 470(3), 265 S.E.2d 771 (1980). Cf. Smith v. Hardrick, 266 Ga. 54(2), 464 S.E.2d 198 (1995))

In this instance, the taser had been discharged (twice, according to the information) and inoperable, and he was well beyond the taser's range (18 feet) when he was shot. That is also apparent on the video. So it would be hard to argue it is an offensive weapon or a weapon which could cause serious injury under the circumstances.

Third, he didn't "turn around", as you assert. He continued to flee, while pointing the empty taser behind him. The two shots penetrated his BACK. So, your supposition doesn't match the evidence. No need to "try again".

No need to arrest him? Seriously? DUI, that's not an arrest in your world, that's a citation? God bars must love you. That is an absolute arrest, he was in control of a running motor vehicle, while being over the legal limit, please tell me how that's not an arrest....

If the taser is not a deadly weapon, then how did the SAME DA two weeks ago charge two officers of aggravated assault (assault with a deadly weapon) by using a taser on some protestors in a running car? the DA wants to have it both ways in these two cases because they will help him politically "Look public, I'm just against these bad cops as you guys are" it doesn't matter that he had to take TWO POLAR OPPOSITE stances on tasers as deadly weapons, does it?

Taser had been discharged once, in the scuffle, and it's not inoperable, it can still be used as a stun gun.

Sorry, he turned his upper torso around and his head while firing a weapon at an officer, you know why the bullets struck him in the back? Because the decision to fire was made as soon as Brooks turned around, and the time it took to draw, aim, fire, was enough time for Brooks to turn back around....again, this doesn't happen in slow motion on your DVD player, it's literally 3 seconds from switching hands for the taser, and firing the gun.
 
You tried again. <sigh>
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

First, the officers had no reason to arrest him. That was discretionary.
These two statements are entirely contradictory. If they had no reason to arrest him, an arrest would not be "discretionary" but instead "illegal." He blew over the limit, which absolutely means they had reason to arrest.

A citation would have sufficed.
I don't know why this is supposed to be some sort of evidence that the shooting was excessive. Regardless of what actions they could have taken with regard to taking Brooks into custody, they were absolutely justified in doing what they did: arrest him. The arrest was 100% lawful and Brooks had no basis to resist it.

In this instance, the taser had been discharged (twice, according to the information) and inoperable, and he was well beyond the taser's range (18 feet) when he was shot. That is also apparent on the video. So it would be hard to argue it is an offensive weapon or a weapon which could cause serious injury under the circumstances.
That is only if you assume it's a taser. From the officer's perspective: Brooks turns, aims a weapon, and discharges it. The weapon goes "POP" and emits a flash of light. If I'm in the officer's position, I assume that's a gun and respond accordingly. I still think the taser is a weapon capable of incapacitation and, even if the officer knew it was a taser the shooting is justified. I'm not convinced the officer knew the taser had been fully discharged -- it wasn't his own taser so he would have no way of knowing for certain how many shots were available to begin with (some models have three shots), nor how many had already been discharged.

Third, he didn't "turn around", as you assert. He continued to flee, while pointing the empty taser behind him.
He turned enough to aim the taser at the officer and discharge it. And the taser was not empty, as you can see it discharge in the video.

Bottom line: when you aim a gun-shaped weapon at an officer and make it go bang and flash, what outcome are you expecting? Why is a split-second response of deadly force unreasonable?
 
Insane. Only in America can one race of people be entirely invincible from being held accountable for their crimes.



Notice the keywords this idiot uses which greatly highlights her inability to include logic in her statements. So because of her emotions and irrational judgment, she fired a cop who was simply doing his job and didn't want to be tased and possibly shot to death if the thug got a hold of his service firearm? What if the thug had his firearm instead of his less-than-lethal taser?

Where is the due process he was supposed to receive? He's not even a probationary officer. The shooting was only days ago and she stupidly and prematurely fired him before the internal and GBI investigations are even complete? This dumb cretin just opened herself to a huge lawsuit and I hope to Yahweh he wins millions and his job back. I bet the union is justifiably livid at this idiot.

And these insane criminals and apologists have the nerve to demand the disbandment of police agencies AND remove qualified immunity? For doing their job??

Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks - CBS News

The claim that a race is immune to paying for their crimes is a joke. First of all it's police shootings and a large number of those are by black officers. I'm sure the op would claim that the black cop is an uncle tom but their claims are just stupid.
 
The claim that a race is immune to paying for their crimes is a joke. First of all it's police shootings and a large number of those are by black officers. I'm sure the op would claim that the black cop is an uncle tom but their claims are just stupid.

This thread is old. Get over it.
 
Re: Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

Good ****ing riddance to that gigantic pile of ****. Hopefully the incoming DA has at least three brain cells and drops this BS case.

And the officer needs to sue the hack mayor for firing him without his due process rights. He was a non-probationary employee that deserved a full investigation before firing him.
 
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