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[W:392] Gen. Mattis says he’s 'angry and appalled' at Trump's response to protests

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Gen. Mattis says he’s '''angry and appalled''' at Trump'''s response to protests

Gen. Mattis says he’s 'angry and appalled' at Trump's response to protests
Michael IsikoffJune 3, 2020, 6:33 PM EDT
President Trump’s former Secretary of Defense James Mattis, who resigned last year, spoke out against his ex-boss for the first time Wednesday, saying he is “angry and appalled” at the White House’s response to the protests over the death of George Floyd.

“When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution,” Mattis said in a statement emailed to reporters. “Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens — much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.”

He continued: “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. “Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.”
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I couldn't agree more. The adults have left the room and we're stuck with a child in the White House at a time that cries out for mature leadership.
 
Mattis, a true patriot, marches to the drum of American values and laws.

Shame on Trump, for shame.
 
10, 9, 8 ,7, 6 until President ***** comes out with a tweet calling Maddis weak.
 
Crosscheck said:
10, 9, 8 ,7, 6 until President ***** comes out with a tweet calling Maddis weak.
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He will complain about Mattis pushing him to make grown up decisions.
 
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dave8383 said:
Gen. Mattis says he’s '''angry and appalled''' at Trump'''s response to protests




I couldn't agree more. The adults have left the room and we're stuck with a child in the White House at a time that cries out for mature leadership.
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(Sigh)

I guess General Mattis forgets his history.

How Eisenhower not only nationalized the Arkansas National Guard back in 1957...He also sent 1000 men from the 101st Airborne as well. President Sends Troops to Little Rock, Federalizes Arkansas National Guard; Tells Nation He Acted to Avoid An Anarchy

Then we have LBJ nationalizing the Alabama National Guard back in 1965. LBJ Sends Federal Troops to Alabama - HISTORY

The President is the Commander in Chief, which not only includes active Army units, but Reserves and the National Guard. If necessary to protect Americans from internal threats that States either support or refuse to deal with, then the Federal government can step in. Preferably with civilian law enforcement (FBI, etc.). But he can "nationalize" State Guard units to do the job too.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
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I guess General Mattis forgets his history.

How Eisenhower not only nationalized the Arkansas National Guard back in 1957...He also sent 1000 men from the 101st Airborne as well. President Sends Troops to Little Rock, Federalizes Arkansas National Guard; Tells Nation He Acted to Avoid An Anarchy

Then we have LBJ nationalizing the Alabama National Guard back in 1965. LBJ Sends Federal Troops to Alabama - HISTORY

The President is the Commander in Chief, which not only includes active Army units, but Reserves and the National Guard. If necessary to protect Americans from internal threats that States either support or refuse to deal with, then the Federal government can step in. Preferably with civilian law enforcement (FBI, etc.).
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Comparing the two, are you? :lol:
 
dave8383 said:
Gen. Mattis says he’s '''angry and appalled''' at Trump'''s response to protests




I couldn't agree more. The adults have left the room and we're stuck with a child in the White House at a time that cries out for mature leadership.
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We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers.
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Really? What country is HE looking at?

These "small number of lawbreakers" have destroyed millions of dollars worth of property in cities all over the country. They've killed people all over the country. They've attack the police, news people and innocent bystanders all over the country.

As long as Mattis is deliberately blind to reality, he can kiss my ass.
 
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Bodecea said:
Comparing the two, are you? :lol:
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Merely pointing out two things that partisans like yourself tend to overlook.

1. It's easy to blame someone for "not doing something" while simultaneously trying to prevent them by tying their hands.

2. The President has the authority to do what he stated.

Try to recall, he did conference with Governors, he did instruct them to act on their own. He then pointed out that it they don't, he will.

Sounds reasonable to me.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh)

I guess General Mattis forgets his history.

How Eisenhower not only nationalized the Arkansas National Guard back in 1957...He also sent 1000 men from the 101st Airborne as well. President Sends Troops to Little Rock, Federalizes Arkansas National Guard; Tells Nation He Acted to Avoid An Anarchy

Then we have LBJ nationalizing the Alabama National Guard back in 1965. LBJ Sends Federal Troops to Alabama - HISTORY

The President is the Commander in Chief, which not only includes active Army units, but Reserves and the National Guard. If necessary to protect Americans from internal threats that States either support or refuse to deal with, then the Federal government can step in. Preferably with civilian law enforcement (FBI, etc.). But he can "nationalize" State Guard units to do the job too.
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You and the The Warrior Monk, on ethics, history, US Military and the Constitution.

Me my money is on the General
 
jamesbyoung said:
Mattis, a true patriot, marches to the drum of American values and laws.

Shame on Trump, for shame.
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If he was such a patriot he wouldn't have worked for the man in the first place. Unless he was living under a rock it should have been obvious what an idiot Trump was.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Merely pointing out two things that partisans like yourself tend to overlook.

1. It's easy to blame someone for "not doing something" while simultaneously trying to prevent them by tying their hands.

2. The President has the authority to do what he stated.

Try to recall, he did conference with Governors, he did instruct them to act on their own. He then pointed out that it they don't, he will.

Sounds reasonable to me.
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Still comparing the two events, I see.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Mattis, a true patriot, marches to the drum of American values and laws.

Shame on Trump, for shame.
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Where was Mattis speaking out in anger about the biggest abuse of power in US history?

Abut the Russian Collusion Hoax?

About Mueller's corrupt investigation, when in fact he knew almost from day one that Trump had committed no crime.

Dead silent.

So spare me all the glorifying of this guy.
 
Termn8or said:
Where was Mattis speaking out in anger about the biggest abuse of power in US history?

Abut the Russian Collusion Hoax?

About Mueller's corrupt investigation, when in fact he knew almost from day one that Trump had committed no crime.

Dead silent.

So spare me all the glorifying of this guy.
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Maybe he doesn't buy into your fantasy.
 
dave8383 said:
Gen. Mattis says he’s '''angry and appalled''' at Trump'''s response to protests




I couldn't agree more. The adults have left the room and we're stuck with a child in the White House at a time that cries out for mature leadership.
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Another man who is losing his cognetive abilities with age.

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
 
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Bodecea said:
Still comparing the two events, I see.
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I think he merely defined the parameters in which a president can call on the military to operate on American soil. There's no "comparison." It's just examples of similar actions by former presidents, for the sake of illustration. Thanks!!
 
EnigmaO01 said:
If he was such a patriot he wouldn't have worked for the man in the first place. Unless he was living under a rock it should have been obvious what an idiot Trump was.
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I disagree- He is all about duty to country.

Is this his not 1st commentary on Trump since resigning?
 
Termn8or said:
Where was Mattis speaking out in anger about the biggest abuse of power in US history? Abut the Russian Collusion Hoax? About Mueller's corrupt investigation, when in fact he knew almost from day one that Trump had committed no crime. Dead silent. So spare me all the glorifying of this guy.
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Hoax? The Senate Intel Cmt (GOP) said the Russians were interfering for Trump? So did 11 intel agencies.

What is wrong with you?

You know that Barr and Graham will be going to jail for their treason in this matter?

Thank God for Mattis and George Will and the rest like them.
 
Re: Gen. Mattis says he’s 'angry and appalled' at Trump's response to protests

Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh)

I guess General Mattis forgets his history.

How Eisenhower not only nationalized the Arkansas National Guard back in 1957...He also sent 1000 men from the 101st Airborne as well. President Sends Troops to Little Rock, Federalizes Arkansas National Guard; Tells Nation He Acted to Avoid An Anarchy

Then we have LBJ nationalizing the Alabama National Guard back in 1965. LBJ Sends Federal Troops to Alabama - HISTORY

The President is the Commander in Chief, which not only includes active Army units, but Reserves and the National Guard. If necessary to protect Americans from internal threats that States either support or refuse to deal with, then the Federal government can step in. Preferably with civilian law enforcement (FBI, etc.). But he can "nationalize" State Guard units to do the job too.
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(Sigh)


What a crock......(sigh) want some smelling salts?
 
Re: Gen. Mattis says he’s 'angry and appalled' at Trump's response to protests

Captain Adverse said:
Merely pointing out two things that partisans like yourself tend to overlook.

1. It's easy to blame someone for "not doing something" while simultaneously trying to prevent them by tying their hands.

2. The President has the authority to do what he stated.

Try to recall, he did conference with Governors, he did instruct them to act on their own. He then pointed out that it they don't, he will.

Sounds reasonable to me.
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Not liking the way governors are exercising their police powers isn’t one of the justifications the President can use for invoking the Insurrection Act.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Not liking the way governors are exercising their police powers isn’t one of the justifications the President can use for invoking the Insurrection Act.
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No.

However, he can to deal with civil disorder, insurrection, and rebellion.

The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—

(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.
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10 U.S. Code SS 253 - Interference with State and Federal law | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

Gee, I wonder if violent mobs burning, looting, attacking other people, even killing...would classify as "civil disorder?"

I also wonder if it would apply under such circumstances when the State Governors are unwilling and/or unable to do so themselves?

I believe Trump is in the right here.

He met with the Governors, and directed them to take necessary steps to prevent further "civil disorder." That if they fail to do so, then he will.

Exactly how does this not comply with the very law you cited?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh)

I guess General Mattis forgets his history.

How Eisenhower not only nationalized the Arkansas National Guard back in 1957...He also sent 1000 men from the 101st Airborne as well. President Sends Troops to Little Rock, Federalizes Arkansas National Guard; Tells Nation He Acted to Avoid An Anarchy

Then we have LBJ nationalizing the Alabama National Guard back in 1965. LBJ Sends Federal Troops to Alabama - HISTORY

The President is the Commander in Chief, which not only includes active Army units, but Reserves and the National Guard. If necessary to protect Americans from internal threats that States either support or refuse to deal with, then the Federal government can step in. Preferably with civilian law enforcement (FBI, etc.). But he can "nationalize" State Guard units to do the job too.
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Eisenhower used this authority to integrate schools against states who illegally were continuing segregation.
Trump used this power to clear peaceful protesters so he can make a partisan photo op in front of a church.
Any thinking person can see the difference.
One was to protect constitutional protections the other was to deny them.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
No.

However, he can to deal with civil disorder, insurrection, and rebellion.

10 U.S. Code SS 253 - Interference with State and Federal law | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

Gee, I wonder if violent mobs burning, looting, attacking other people, even killing...would classify as "civil disorder?"

I also wonder if it would apply under such circumstances when the State Governors are unwilling and/or unable to do so themselves?

I believe Trump is in the right here.

He met with the Governors, and directed them to take necessary steps to prevent further "civil disorder." That if they fail to do so, then he will.

Exactly how does this not comply with the very law you cited?
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After he does this, then he will be complying with the law..

10 U.S. Code § 254 - Proclamation to disperse
 
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