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[W:392] Gen. Mattis says he’s 'angry and appalled' at Trump's response to protests

This is an interesting analysis of Mattis' statement:

James Mattis' incredible excoriation of Trump, annotated - CNNPolitics

I think most people reading Mattis' statement sort of feel the power of it, but don't quite understand why. And I'll be honest. I didn't fully understand everything Mattis was writing either.

But if you go back and read it, and look up the various references in it (and yes, I used this article analyzing Mattis' statement as a guide), it sort of stands out a little more and you see all the various layers of it.
 
John Allen, H.R. McMaster and John Kelly support his Atlantic piece. Other generals and admirals also stand in support of Gen. Mattis.
 
Gen. Mattis says he’s 'angry and appalled' at Trump's response to protests

Casca XV said:
Oh knock it off, Up until Trump was elected we had an economy so slow and stagnate it barely qualified to be called a recovery.

The last 21 months of the Obama Economy V. The first 21 months of the Trump Economy.
Writing is the Wall Street Journal, Former CEO Andy Puzder claims that Trump’s economy easily wins over Obama when you look at the numbers.
Obama’s last six full quarters in office GDP growth averaged 1.5%. Trumps first full six quarters in office GDP growth averaged 3%.
Obama’s last 21 months in office, job openings increased an average of 900 a month. Trump’s first 21 months in office, job openings increased an average of 75,000 a month.
Obama’s last 21 months in office, the number of Americans employed increased an average of 157,000 a month. Trumps’ First 21 months in office, the number of Americans employed increased an average of 214,000 a month.
Obama’s last 21 months in office, weekly earnings rose an average of $1.31. Trumps first 21 months average weekly earnings rose an average of $1.84 before tax cuts, after tax cuts the weekly average increase rose to $2.31.
Obama’s last 21 months in office, unemployment declined 13% from what it was at the beginning of that time period. Trump’s first 21 months in office, unemployment declined 23% from what it was at the beginning of that time period.
(First quarter of 2017 was not counted in GDP stats because both Presidents shared it. The time period is 21 months because although elected a smidge over 2 years ago Trump has been in office a smidge over 21 months.)

Trump Kicked the Sluggish Economy Into High Gear - WSJ
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The 2018 jobs were way overstated and not corrected until January, 2020. Per the DOL’s January 2020 jobs report these are the numbers for job creation:

2014: 3.004 million jobs created
2015: 2.72 million
2016: 2.345 million

2017: 2.109 million
2018: 2.314 million
2019: 2.096 million

Obama created 1.6 million more jobs than Trump over a three-year period.

Now we have an April 14.7% unemployment rate vs South Korea at 3.8%.

South Korea’s estimated GDP growth in the second quarter is +0.9%, the Atlanta FED is estimating -52.8% for the US.

South Korea has 5 deaths per million, we have 331.

South Korea’s leadership followed the science. Trump has fought the science every step of the way and he STILL is. He is against masks for vanity reasons. He doesn’t want more testing because he thinks it make him look bad. Instead of urging states to follow his own task force reopening guidelines his message is “liberate, liberate!”

There is no good reason why our country shouldn’t have had one of the best responses to the coronavirus. Trump has driven the country off a cliff.


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What Top Military Officers Really Think About Trump - The Atlantic

Most of the top military officers are disdainful of Trump's leadership as that Atlantic article makes clear

"Such rudderless captaincy creates the headlines Trump craves. He revels when his tweets take off. (“Boom!” he says. “Like a rocket!”) Out in the field, where combat is more than wordplay, his tweets have consequences. He is not a president who thinks through consequences—and this, the generals stressed, is not the way serious nations behave."
 
W_Heisenberg said:
This is an interesting analysis of Mattis' statement:

James Mattis' incredible excoriation of Trump, annotated - CNNPolitics

I think most people reading Mattis' statement sort of feel the power of it, but don't quite understand why. And I'll be honest. I didn't fully understand everything Mattis was writing either.

But if you go back and read it, and look up the various references in it (and yes, I used this article analyzing Mattis' statement as a guide), it sort of stands out a little more and you see all the various layers of it.
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I notice the audio from CNN describes Mattis as a "general who was of course appointed by the President himself" rather than a "general who was fired by both this President and his predecessor, and who also didn't get along with George W. Bush"

It's far left Zucker-dictated coverage of this situation - it does make a lot of interesting points, though - I don't agree with them, but they're interesting
 
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George50 said:
I won’t call you a liar because perhaps you are just clueless. If watch the video of actual incident you will see that the protest that was broken up was peaceful and lawful. What you refer to was either previous protests at the same spot or protests in other areas. The problem was that earlier on Trump was embarrassed because he was in a bunker and he was afraid he would look weak. So he or some of his minions come up with the idea to get him out of the White House for a photo op in front of a church holding a bible. Of course he would be too scared to actually go out in public and so were his minions for both him and themselves so they used military force to clear the way for his reality TV type stunt.


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And now you're just reduced to giving your opinion on what you think happened. We already have reports from the authorities themselves that the protest wasn't entirely peaceful and they're not just going to piecemeal the group out.

They were given warnings to vacate the area and they did not. It's all on them at that point.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
You mean like this one from Australia that was attacked by police in Lafayette Park. The world is watching and they're shocked by what they're seeing.

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Yes, most are shocked that even Australians don't know what it means, when a protest becomes violent and the police tell you to vacate the area.

So now, not only do they seem incompetent, but they also look blatantly idiotic.
 
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Oborosen said:
And now you're just reduced to giving your opinion on what you think happened. We already have reports from the authorities themselves that the protest wasn't entirely peaceful and they're not just going to piecemeal the group out.

They were given warnings to vacate the area and they did not. It's all on them at that point.
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The "authorities" ? :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
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ReubenSherr said:
I notice the audio from CNN describes Mattis as a "general who was of course appointed by the President himself" rather than a "general who was fired by both this President and his predecessor, and who also didn't get along with George W. Bush"

It's far left Zucker-dictated coverage of this situation - it does make a lot of interesting points, though - I don't agree with them, but they're interesting
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So Gen. Mattis respected and agreed with HW Bush, not so much GW, or Obama, and definitely not Trump. I'd say he's nailed it. We haven't had an outstanding leader regarding foreign affairs since H.W.
 
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Oborosen said:
Yes, most are shocked that even Australians don't know what it means, when a protest becomes violent and the police tell you to vacate the area.

So now, not only do they seem incompetent, but they also look blatantly idiotic.
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It's clear from the video that there was no violence. When the soldiers, or whatever they were, Billy Barrs private militia or security force maybe, started aggressively moving up in full riot or battle gear that's when things started to get stirred up because people were starting to feel what might be coming after the Presidents statements. They already had the helicopters hovering overhead and it was nearly impossible to hear any such orders, as evidenced by videotape. But why are the police attacking clearly identifiable media people? That's the kind of thing that happens in Russia or China.
 
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ldsrptcvt said:
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GAS? also, crowd included priests - I don't think they would stay around in a violent protest

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Yes, it looks like there's at least two set fires in the background and several of the "protestors" can be seen either holding, or getting ready to throw random objects...

You're ****ing yourself over with your own post.
 
dave8383 said:
So Gen. Mattis respected and agreed with HW Bush, not so much GW, or Obama, and definitely not Trump. I'd say he's nailed it. We haven't had an outstanding leader regarding foreign affairs since H.W.
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?? Didn't HW Bush send the military up from San Diego County during the L. A. Riots in 1992?

I respect Mattis's opinion, but if riots continue and people are killed, the Dems will blame Trump - If the military is deployed, the Dems will blame Trump

He has to make the call which will save the most lives, in my opinion - Obama has already tried doing this the nice way (by giving the motivational speech the other day), and it isn't working
 
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ReubenSherr said:
?? Didn't HW Bush send the military up from San Diego County during the L. A. Riots in 1992?

I respect Mattis's opinion, but if riots continue and people are killed, the Dems will blame Trump - If the military is deployed, the Dems will blame Trump

He has to make the call which will save the most lives, in my opinion - Obama has already tried doing this the nice way (by giving the motivational speech the other day), and it isn't working
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Those were national guard troops Bush sent. Not active military.
 
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rocket88 said:
So they should use firce so Trump can get a picture? That's 3rd world dictatorship ****.
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Don't get violent and the police will not have to remove you.

Also, this shtick with trying to tie this in with some form of dictatorship is getting old. None of you could even remotely prove that when his presidency started and even Calamity is having a hard time even starting a discussion on this being tyranny.

Had this been overt tyranny, or even a dictatorship to that level. None of these people would even be able to actually protest and we'd already have martial law by this time.

So give it a rest.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
The "authorities" ? :lamo :lamo :lamo
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Good thing you're still incapable of intellectual discussion. At even it's most basest requirements.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
It's clear from the video that there was no violence. When the soldiers, or whatever they were, Billy Barrs private militia or security force maybe, started aggressively moving up in full riot or battle gear that's when things started to get stirred up because people were starting to feel what might be coming after the Presidents statements. They already had the helicopters hovering overhead and it was nearly impossible to hear any such orders, as evidenced by videotape. But why are the police attacking clearly identifiable media people? That's the kind of thing that happens in Russia or China.
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Even when we can see object being thrown at the police and fires set in the background of more than just one angle...

Yeah Kid, stop trying this crap. We've seen multiple reports already of "non-violent" being as far from an accurate description of what was happening here, as verbally possible.
 
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It's good to know that you support the destruction of not only private, but government property as well uptower.

I just hope it isn't the same for the physical violence that accompanies it.
 
ReubenSherr said:
This is a sincere question then - Morally, ethically, or legally, what's the difference?
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One difference is that Bush was loaded with moral authority and Trump has none. Another difference is that Bush was asked for help by the Gov. of California and the Mayor of L.A. whereas Trump just proclaimed that he would take over if the Mayors and Governors couldn't do the job. Thirdly, LA's reaction to the verdict in the case of the police officers from the Rodney King episode was purely violent. That was not a protest march even though it was understandable.

BTW, I'm pretty sure Bush ordered Marine and regular Army units to the area to stand by. So I believe your first take was accurate, it was more than the National Guard.
 
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I don't understand why anybody - especially Trump supporters - would disagree with the main statement that besides Trump "no President in our lifetime has tried to divide the American people." Remember "lock her up"? Did you vote for Trump? Do you think all liberals are evil? Is Trump's attitude that you are either with him or his enemy? It's pretty black and white. He sews hatred, that's how he maintains his base and that's why he was elected. We now see why Russia wanted him in office. America will destroy itself if we elect leaders who encourage us to do so.

This is what a dictator looks and acts like. I wish more Americans felt more sad and less angry but it's very hard to blame them.
 
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Oborosen said:
Even when we can see object being thrown at the police and fires set in the background of more than just one angle...

Yeah Kid, stop trying this crap. We've seen multiple reports already of "non-violent" being as far from an accurate description of what was happening here, as verbally possible.
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Must be hitting the sauce or something because clearly there are no fires, no violent agitation by the crowd whatsoever before the 'police' and 'troops' started charging forward in that video. And if you're going to lose it if somebody throws a water bottle, which are all plastic anyway, when wearing full body armor with helmet and shield. Well, maybe crowd control isn't your thing because that's pretty standard stuff. If that's all it takes to flip your switch, you were probably already a danger to society.
 
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